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[BoSox]

They just lose faster. The inevitable will happen.

Coach belly, the above quote by jbjb is the only one you need to read for the entire thread to have all the correct answers. No disrespect intended!

[coach belly]

They just lose faster. The inevitable will happen.

Coach belly, the above quote by jbjb is the only one you need to read for the entire thread to have all the correct answers. No disrespect intended!

I don't understand what you mean by "all the correct answers",
all the correct answers to what questions?

I haven't finished my examination yet.

My assumption is that Wynn is being truthful. That makes it easy to ask straightforward questions, and easier for him to answer if he is being truthful.

So far so good, I don't have a problem discussing winning anecdotes.

[BoSox]

I don't understand what you mean by "all the correct answers",
all the correct answers to what questions?

Your questions.

I haven't finished my examination yet.

Be my guest.

My assumption is that Wynn is being truthful. That makes it easy to ask straightforward questions, and easier for him to answer if he is being truthful.

So far so good, I don't have a problem discussing winning anecdotes.

Wynn's small examples are meaningless. He does not have a winning anecdote by any means, and never will. I think that you already know all of this.

[Wynnpleasure775]

Those who enjoy their own emotionally bad health and who habitually fill their own minds with the rank poisons of suspicion, jealousy and hatred, as a rule take umbrage at those who refuse to do likewise, and they find a perverted relief in trying to denigrate them.

Johannes Brahms

[coach belly]

He does not have a winning anecdote by any means, and never will.

You are out of your element. Go away.

[jbjb]

They just lose faster. The inevitable will happen.

Coach belly, the above quote by jbjb is the only one you need to read for the entire thread to have all the correct answers. No disrespect intended!

No need to educate these morons Bosox.

The idiot Wynn is just trolling anyway.

[BoSox]

Those who enjoy their own emotionally bad health and who habitually fill their own minds with the rank poisons of suspicion, jealousy and hatred, as a rule take umbrage at those who refuse to do likewise, and they find a perverted relief in trying to denigrate them.

Johannes Brahms

Wynn, the above Brahms quote does not even come close in comparison to anything you're talking about, as you are giving yourself way too much credit. Why do you think that your latest trip reports rate as high as "suspicion" when they are in fact believable? Instead of using suspicion as an adjective of reflection on your trip reports, a better description would be a foolish ill-informed know- it- all, who will learn the hard way. Now regarding "jealously" what smart person would be jealous of you? The answer is no one would. More than likely some people that possess very real math skills and gaming experience will either feel sorry for you or just shake their head and laugh. Pertaining to "hatred" to the best of my knowledge you have not given any board member any reason to hate you. Rather embarrassing on your part, trying to be knowledgeable when the only two that you are fooling is coach and yourself.

[Wynnpleasure775]

Oh please, was not trying to accomplish what you claim.

Fact is, I gambled, I won. I left with nearly $50k. I am not addicted to the tables or the action. I watch others as well and I clearly see their downfalls. I only credit my last win as being a sideline windfall.

[BoSox]

He does not have a winning anecdote by any means, and never will.

You are out of your element. Go away.

Explain this one coach:

No matter how hard you try you can not make a negative expectation game positive unless you actually somehow cheat.

[coach belly]

Explain this one coach:

No matter how hard you try you can not make a negative expectation game positive unless you actually somehow cheat.

If the sample size is small enough then the player can win at a negative expectation game.

Got it?

Now go away, you are out of your element.

[Rob.Singer]

There are so many people in denial about gambling and the math surrounding it.

There is never any of this nonsensical "I changed a negative expectation game into a positive one" going on. Every time you win playing a -EV game you have had a positive result. Theory has ended/reality has taken over. And that is the ONLY thing in gambling that counts. This misleading notion that we hear regularly saying "I'd rather make a good bet and lose than make a bad bet and win" is pure unadulterated BS.

The truest approach to enjoyable and successful gambling is to find a method your own personal abilities and capabilities are suited for that gives you your best opportunity of walking into a casino with X amount of money, and walking out with minimum X+1. And as I have learned long ago, it is not that hard to do. Motivation + determination + intelligence = a high chance of success.

Of course, as we've seen on these forums for years ad nauseum, some people who call themselves AP's (but may or may really not be) insist in turning the whole thing into an exercise in long-term theoretical probabilities--which when it comes down to it is nothing more than what the books have to say about gambling. Sure, it's helpful and statistically very interesting to many of us, understanding the numbers etc. of what we're getting into. But again, the only part of all this effort is, upon leaving any casino, have we won money?

Claiming to have had "a good day" after losing ANY amount of money because you've "played in a theoretically positive environment every moment of your visit" is nothing more than elitist, feel-good nonsense, created for the sole purpose of justification for having had a truly bad day of gambling. That's why people who do that are well recognized as having a bevy of personal and social issues to deal with, and their struggles in such an arena really do them no public favors.

Remember, most people who gamble are not happy people. A healthy life-balance is required to even begin thinking about making it worth anyone's while. And then, there MUST be an acceptance at the end of the day about the reality of gambling being far more important than the theory of it all.

Wise people get it.

[mickeycrimm]

Explain this one coach:

No matter how hard you try you can not make a negative expectation game positive unless you actually somehow cheat.

If the sample size is small enough then the player can win at a negative expectation game.

Got it?

Now go away, you are out of your element.

But it's still a negative expectation bet.

[mickeycrimm]

Over the past 25 years I've done pretty good. It eventually went from "making a living" to a game of "how much money can I stash away before old age." That happened because I could feel my body slowing down and figured one day I might not be able to get around. So I wanted a good next egg. It got to the point that I was only spending about a third of what I made and saving the rest. Then boom!!! I had a heart attack. Good thing I did what I did.

I always used mathematical formulas where I held an advantage. Never played negative. The income was constant. I never had a losing year, not even close. And in the last decade it was rare to have a losing week.

Over the long haul of things the money amounted to about what the expectation was. On the 5% plays I made about 5%. On the 20% plays I made about 20%, etc.

Now, would I attempt to play a negative game and expect the same outcome as above? No. Repeat. No. I'll say again. No. Because it is my experience that the money comes in at about what the expectation is. So I'm not going to try to make money on a negative game.

Do I think I can stick a pin in it like a voodoo gambler? Can I create a positive situation out of a negative situation? No. Repeat. No. Repeat. No. I'll say again. No.

To me, it's all about the value of the bet before I hit the button. If the value of the bet is higher than the cost of the bet, I'll hit the button. If the value of the bet is lower than the cost of the bet, I won't hit the button.

That's been my formula for success ever since I started. No amount of talk by others. No amount of conjecture by others. No amount of anything by others will get me to change my formula. Because. IT'S A WINNING FORMULA.

The only thing I can say to those that gamble negative games and expect to win is good luck trying to pay your bills with it.

[BoSox]

There are so many people in denial about gambling and the math surrounding it.

There is never any of this nonsensical "I changed a negative expectation game into a positive one" going on. Every time you win playing a -EV game you have had a positive result. Theory has ended/reality has taken over. And that is the ONLY thing in gambling that counts. This misleading notion that we hear regularly saying "I'd rather make a good bet and lose than make a bad bet and win" is pure unadulterated BS.

The truest approach to enjoyable and successful gambling is to find a method your own personal abilities and capabilities are suited for that gives you your best opportunity of walking into a casino with X amount of money, and walking out with minimum X+1. And as I have learned long ago, it is not that hard to do. Motivation + determination + intelligence = a high chance of success.

Of course, as we've seen on these forums for years ad nauseum, some people who call themselves AP's (but may or may really not be) insist in turning the whole thing into an exercise in long-term theoretical probabilities--which when it comes down to it is nothing more than what the books have to say about gambling. Sure, it's helpful and statistically very interesting to many of us, understanding the numbers etc. of what we're getting into. But again, the only part of all this effort is, upon leaving any casino, have we won money?

Claiming to have had "a good day" after losing ANY amount of money because you've "played in a theoretically positive environment every moment of your visit" is nothing more than elitist, feel-good nonsense, created for the sole purpose of justification for having had a truly bad day of gambling. That's why people who do that are well recognized as having a bevy of personal and social issues to deal with, and their struggles in such an arena really do them no public favors.

Remember, most people who gamble are not happy people. A healthy life-balance is required to even begin thinking about making it worth anyone's while. And then, there MUST be an acceptance at the end of the day about the reality of gambling being far more important than the theory of it all.

Wise people get it.

Rob, no disrespect intended, but if I recall correctly all of your gaming theories are based in one form or another on the Martingale system, isn't that correct?

[Wynnpleasure775]

The math wizards claim they always ( or nearly always) win a certain percentage of their wagers. Bull fucking shit! Then in the same posts those wizards also claim it is impossible to win on any consistent schedule. LOL, CONTRADICTIONS to the maximum!

My last session I won 17 out of 31 wagers. I am counting the win wagers only if I removed the chips and put them away then started over with another base wager of $1,000.00. If you are convinced no one wins, you better stop the drinking or drug use. I see many people win at the tables, just the highest majority of them continue their play and lose whatever they did win.

I would never attempt a Martingale negative wager if I lost the initial or a subsequent wager in the trivial series of 4 wagers.

[coach belly]

But it's still a negative expectation bet.

Then it's probably a great thrill to win when expecting to lose.

You have members here who do not want others to win, and they don't want to hear about others winning.

I wish the Bac players would record their play, but if the recording ever showed them winning others would claim that it was faked.

[unowme]

There are so many people in denial about gambling and the math surrounding it.

There is never any of this nonsensical "I changed a negative expectation game into a positive one" going on. Every time you win playing a -EV game you have had a positive result. Theory has ended/reality has taken over. And that is the ONLY thing in gambling that counts. This misleading notion that we hear regularly saying "I'd rather make a good bet and lose than make a bad bet and win" is pure unadulterated BS.

The truest approach to enjoyable and successful gambling is to find a method your own personal abilities and capabilities are suited for that gives you your best opportunity of walking into a casino with X amount of money, and walking out with minimum X+1. And as I have learned long ago, it is not that hard to do. Motivation + determination + intelligence = a high chance of success.

Of course, as we've seen on these forums for years ad nauseum, some people who call themselves AP's (but may or may really not be) insist in turning the whole thing into an exercise in long-term theoretical probabilities--which when it comes down to it is nothing more than what the books have to say about gambling. Sure, it's helpful and statistically very interesting to many of us, understanding the numbers etc. of what we're getting into. But again, the only part of all this effort is, upon leaving any casino, have we won money?

Claiming to have had "a good day" after losing ANY amount of money because you've "played in a theoretically positive environment every moment of your visit" is nothing more than elitist, feel-good nonsense, created for the sole purpose of justification for having had a truly bad day of gambling. That's why people who do that are well recognized as having a bevy of personal and social issues to deal with, and their struggles in such an arena really do them no public favors.

Remember, most people who gamble are not happy people. A healthy life-balance is required to even begin thinking about making it worth anyone's while. And then, there MUST be an acceptance at the end of the day about the reality of gambling being far more important than the theory of it all.

Wise people get it.

Rob, no disrespect intended, but if I recall correctly all of your gaming theories are based in one form or another on the Martingale system, isn't that correct?

His 'theories' were covers to help him exploit the double up bug. It was a 'Wink' Martingale.

[Wynnpleasure775]

Rob Singer said: "The truest approach to enjoyable and successful gambling is to find a method your own personal abilities and capabilities are suited for that gives you your best opportunity of walking into a casino with X amount of money, and walking out with minimum X+1. And as I have learned long ago, it is not that hard to do. Motivation + determination + intelligence = a high chance of success.

Of course, as we've seen on these forums for years ad nauseum, some people who call themselves AP's (but may or may really not be) insist in turning the whole thing into an exercise in long-term theoretical probabilities--"

And I have never said that I am an Ap'er or that I turned a negative expectation game into a positive expectation game and I never said I have a system or anytihng of similar nature.

Doesn't matter how I won. I could have done an mini miny moe between the sides but the bottom line is I walked out of there with win money. Doesn't fuckng matter how I won. Stop claiming that I said what I did not say.

I simply said I won by completing 4 small series out of 9 wages, winning $49k by risking $9k.

[The Boz]

But it's still a negative expectation bet.

Then it's probably a great thrill to win when expecting to lose.

You have members here who do not want others to win, and they don't want to hear about others winning.

I wish the Bac players would record their play, but if the recording ever showed them winning others would claim that it was faked.

No one here believes a player can’t win at a session, or even a couple sessions in a row out of sheer LUCK. So if a player introduced a video showing them winning a session, or 2 most would believe it. And would be accused of not showing every session if they play a lot. It’s when they claim they win every time or almost every time and have a winning system, they are rightfully called out on it because it’s BS.

I thought you understood that clearly. It’s why I wonder why you even engage with these clowns. It’s like you are wishing or dreaming something is there that isn’t.

But hey, it’s your right to believe there is a holy grail out there to beat negative games in any way other than LUCK. I don’t think you actually believe Wynn can “read the shoes”, but I’ve been wrong before when it comes to people believing in something that just isn’t there.

[Wynnpleasure775]

Why are the math Wizards even on my thread when they said that they blocked me and they would not post or respond to my threads? Why do they continually post and comment on my threads?