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  1. #2621
    Originally Posted by GOD View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    My point is Rob was exposed, on many fronts including addresses and tax records. Including unproven claims of fraud charges.

    Christopher Mitchell had his home address, previous porn star career and more exposed on one of Dan’s forums.

    Is “MDawg” different? And why do you feel this way?

    And IF someone paid to find this information out and has it, should they expose it? And if you think they shouldn’t, also explain why?
    As I chow down yesterday's BOGO Buffalo Wild Wings (since I could not locate one of them fancy 5K buffets MDawg's buddy suggested), I agree with Boz regarding the MDawg effect, if you will. MDawg brings up some interesting ethical questions, not so much about himself, but about how others tolerate or react to him.

    MDawg made a mockery of the WoV forum pretty effectively while also getting Shackleford to create Rube Goldberg posting rules that protect him. That's quite an accomplishment. I suspect it's because Shackleford is too lazy to really monitor the forum on a post by post basis, so he'd rather coast by with rules that allow MDawg to clearly mock the alleged math-based raison d'etre of that forum. MDawg is effectively trolling all APs, or even any recreational math-based casino goers.

    He's tried to do the same thing here, with recruiting wing men and all that, and he's had some success. The mocking here comes through less clearly unless you get mickey and Axelwolf and kewlJ rumbling with the dawg.

    The question is, why do site owners tolerate gambling fantasy on their sites when, like Witteles, you're a math-immersed poker pro or, like Shackleford, your whole gig is math? Why do they allow their readers to have to cope with a dominant poster who thumbs his nose at math? That, in my opinion, is the real question for debate.

    But, to Boz's point. Should MDawg be exposed? If you'll notice, the Dawg doesn't directly go after me, probably because I'm a real person who frequents LV as many a hundred days a year, so odds are if I want to figure out who he is, I can, with or without my retired P.I. brother-in-law's guidance.

    Book plug for the brother-in-law:

    https://www.amazon.com/Serious-Surve.../dp/0873646657


    I have zero issue with doxxing anyone who steps on my toes, and I have said this on many occasions. I'll stick your name in USA Today if properly motivated. So I have no reticence regarding "Doxxing the Dawg (that should be an album title)." But I have suspicions about why he's involved in this gig, and I have no issue with the rationales. He has, however, taken it more than a mite too far. If you're going to prove that somebody's girlfriend is cheating on them, it's best to not provide them with crayon-drawn caricatures of the alleged cheating as your proof.

    I realize MDawg may have Shackleford in his pocket, and I do not appreciate my fine "Adventures of E.R.Dietz" thread being locked on MDawg's command, more or less, but I'm not going to blow up his car for it. At least not this week.

    And for those who wonder about who keeps tabs on whom in LV, I will let you in on a little secret. Remember when, after 9/11, all the people visiting LV and checking in to hotels automatically went into a fed data base that was actively monitored. And same with manifests for incoming planes. Remember that stuff? It has not disappeared. And the feds are not beyond sharing that information. So bear that in mind the next time you think you can hide in LV.

    It’s all fun and games until you dox the wrong guy, and he takes it out on people you love. Some of you need to realize that many in the AP world are criminals that have little to no remorse. Everyone thinks forum games are funny online until shit hits the fan in real life. Personally I hope MDawg turns out to be a criminal who retaliates with violence for doxing him
    Criminals? Did someone say criminals? To quote Curly, "I resemble that remark!"

    LOL, GOD (all caps -- I love consistency). And some of us have dealt with bad men our entire lives. Now GOD, are you suggesting that criminals with remorse are better than criminals without? LOL. Remorse as a mitigation of violence is vastly overrated.

    Brief anecdote. The first time I placed a sports bet with a bookmaker, a friend (who was also 16) took me to a restaurant on a Sunday morning. The restaurant was closed, but not really. My friend and I sat at one table while a 30-some-year-old acquaintance of his and another guy sat at a table about five feet away. They started discussing what to do about someone who owed them $400. They said taking his television wasn't going to cover the debt. They didn't really want to hurt him, but they needed to get $400 worth of something. Being a smart 16-year-old, I thought they were putting on a show for our benefit -- they wanted us to know debts were serious. So anyway, they started talking about taking the guy's wooden leg. They had to be making shit up, right? Could not be serious. They settled, I assumed for our benefit, on taking the guy's leg as a way to leverage him into paying the money. Well, my friend and I made our $12 bets, said our good-byes, and walked out the door. A guy with a wooden leg was walking up the street towards the restaurant. We waved and headed to the car.

    GOD, have you read the Old Testament, dude? Violence is always on the table. 24/7. Bakes into the fabric of life. My first trip to LV, that bomb went of in Lefty Rosenthal's car at the steakhouse. Made the front page.

    Jesus, you're GOD. You should know this stuff. This is my real name. It's all real life, Jehovah. Any sense of anonymity is a mirage. If the feds want to know who you are this afternoon, they'll know by this evening.

    Fifty years from now, AI will be able to forensically attach real life names to virtually every online persona that ever existed. If that's an embarrassment to your grandchildren, that's on you.

  2. #2622
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by GOD View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    As I chow down yesterday's BOGO Buffalo Wild Wings (since I could not locate one of them fancy 5K buffets MDawg's buddy suggested), I agree with Boz regarding the MDawg effect, if you will. MDawg brings up some interesting ethical questions, not so much about himself, but about how others tolerate or react to him.

    MDawg made a mockery of the WoV forum pretty effectively while also getting Shackleford to create Rube Goldberg posting rules that protect him. That's quite an accomplishment. I suspect it's because Shackleford is too lazy to really monitor the forum on a post by post basis, so he'd rather coast by with rules that allow MDawg to clearly mock the alleged math-based raison d'etre of that forum. MDawg is effectively trolling all APs, or even any recreational math-based casino goers.

    He's tried to do the same thing here, with recruiting wing men and all that, and he's had some success. The mocking here comes through less clearly unless you get mickey and Axelwolf and kewlJ rumbling with the dawg.

    The question is, why do site owners tolerate gambling fantasy on their sites when, like Witteles, you're a math-immersed poker pro or, like Shackleford, your whole gig is math? Why do they allow their readers to have to cope with a dominant poster who thumbs his nose at math? That, in my opinion, is the real question for debate.

    But, to Boz's point. Should MDawg be exposed? If you'll notice, the Dawg doesn't directly go after me, probably because I'm a real person who frequents LV as many a hundred days a year, so odds are if I want to figure out who he is, I can, with or without my retired P.I. brother-in-law's guidance.

    Book plug for the brother-in-law:

    https://www.amazon.com/Serious-Surve.../dp/0873646657


    I have zero issue with doxxing anyone who steps on my toes, and I have said this on many occasions. I'll stick your name in USA Today if properly motivated. So I have no reticence regarding "Doxxing the Dawg (that should be an album title)." But I have suspicions about why he's involved in this gig, and I have no issue with the rationales. He has, however, taken it more than a mite too far. If you're going to prove that somebody's girlfriend is cheating on them, it's best to not provide them with crayon-drawn caricatures of the alleged cheating as your proof.

    I realize MDawg may have Shackleford in his pocket, and I do not appreciate my fine "Adventures of E.R.Dietz" thread being locked on MDawg's command, more or less, but I'm not going to blow up his car for it. At least not this week.

    And for those who wonder about who keeps tabs on whom in LV, I will let you in on a little secret. Remember when, after 9/11, all the people visiting LV and checking in to hotels automatically went into a fed data base that was actively monitored. And same with manifests for incoming planes. Remember that stuff? It has not disappeared. And the feds are not beyond sharing that information. So bear that in mind the next time you think you can hide in LV.

    It’s all fun and games until you dox the wrong guy, and he takes it out on people you love. Some of you need to realize that many in the AP world are criminals that have little to no remorse. Everyone thinks forum games are funny online until shit hits the fan in real life. Personally I hope MDawg turns out to be a criminal who retaliates with violence for doxing him
    Criminals? Did someone say criminals? To quote Curly, "I resemble that remark!"

    LOL, GOD (all caps -- I love consistency). And some of us have dealt with bad men our entire lives. Now GOD, are you suggesting that criminals with remorse are better than criminals without? LOL. Remorse as a mitigation of violence is vastly overrated.

    Brief anecdote. The first time I placed a sports bet with a bookmaker, a friend (who was also 16) took me to a restaurant on a Sunday morning. The restaurant was closed, but not really. My friend and I sat at one table while a 30-some-year-old acquaintance of his and another guy sat at a table about five feet away. They started discussing what to do about someone who owed them $400. They said taking his television wasn't going to cover the debt. They didn't really want to hurt him, but they needed to get $400 worth of something. Being a smart 16-year-old, I thought they were putting on a show for our benefit -- they wanted us to know debts were serious. So anyway, they started talking about taking the guy's wooden leg. They had to be making shit up, right? Could not be serious. They settled, I assumed for our benefit, on taking the guy's leg as a way to leverage him into paying the money. Well, my friend and I made our $12 bets, said our good-byes, and walked out the door. A guy with a wooden leg was walking up the street towards the restaurant. We waved and headed to the car.

    GOD, have you read the Old Testament, dude? Violence is always on the table. 24/7. Bakes into the fabric of life. My first trip to LV, that bomb went of in Lefty Rosenthal's car at the steakhouse. Made the front page.

    Jesus, you're GOD. You should know this stuff. This is my real name. It's all real life, Jehovah. Any sense of anonymity is a mirage. If the feds want to know who you are this afternoon, they'll know by this evening.

    Fifty years from now, AI will be able to forensically attach real life names to virtually every online persona that ever existed. If that's an embarrassment to your grandchildren, that's on you.
    Maybe you should dox him and find out. No remorse as in criminals that would hurt people the closest to you just so you had to live the rest of your life with the consequences. It’s clear by the post above you think these people don’t exist. So dox away why are you asking permission tuff guy ?

  3. #2623
    Thanks to RED, KJ, Max, Coach, Monet and Mission, all of whom while I have may have disagreed at times in the past, I actually respect.

    My question was hypothetical, but also legitimate. Actions on these forums can also have real life consequences, but I believe most of us aren’t worried about them. But some may also have reasons to be concerned.

    That said, there are definitely some crazies out there and I do believe Dan and other forum owners have to determine what that line is.

    Either way, again Thanks for the feedback and I note MDawg didn’t comment.

  4. #2624
    I don't think anyone should be doxed unless they really step over the line.

    This phony "MDawg" hasn't come close.

    Where is the line drawn?

    For starters: bad actions taken off-forum, e.g. sending PM's threatening bodily harm to an adversary or their loved ones, or even worse would be some nut-case finding out who and where you are and confronting and harming you in the real world.

    I remember pissing off some fat chick at WOV and she had the brass to confront me at a WoV meet and greet with some dude by her side as a show of force, demanding I apologize.

    Of course, I politely told her in so many words to go fuck herself but that's not the point.

    The point is my posts so angered someone that they sought me out in the real world with "muscle" in order to achieve ... well who the hell knows what she really wanted?

    But she could have shot me down in cold blood had she been disturbed enough, or someone I or any of you irritated could do the same to you or I, and I am afraid there are crazies out there who might have that idea in mind.

    This shit can get real, people.
    Last edited by MisterV; 04-01-2021 at 06:29 PM.
    What, Me Worry?

  5. #2625
    Originally Posted by GOD View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by GOD View Post


    It’s all fun and games until you dox the wrong guy, and he takes it out on people you love. Some of you need to realize that many in the AP world are criminals that have little to no remorse. Everyone thinks forum games are funny online until shit hits the fan in real life. Personally I hope MDawg turns out to be a criminal who retaliates with violence for doxing him
    Criminals? Did someone say criminals? To quote Curly, "I resemble that remark!"

    LOL, GOD (all caps -- I love consistency). And some of us have dealt with bad men our entire lives. Now GOD, are you suggesting that criminals with remorse are better than criminals without? LOL. Remorse as a mitigation of violence is vastly overrated.

    Brief anecdote. The first time I placed a sports bet with a bookmaker, a friend (who was also 16) took me to a restaurant on a Sunday morning. The restaurant was closed, but not really. My friend and I sat at one table while a 30-some-year-old acquaintance of his and another guy sat at a table about five feet away. They started discussing what to do about someone who owed them $400. They said taking his television wasn't going to cover the debt. They didn't really want to hurt him, but they needed to get $400 worth of something. Being a smart 16-year-old, I thought they were putting on a show for our benefit -- they wanted us to know debts were serious. So anyway, they started talking about taking the guy's wooden leg. They had to be making shit up, right? Could not be serious. They settled, I assumed for our benefit, on taking the guy's leg as a way to leverage him into paying the money. Well, my friend and I made our $12 bets, said our good-byes, and walked out the door. A guy with a wooden leg was walking up the street towards the restaurant. We waved and headed to the car.

    GOD, have you read the Old Testament, dude? Violence is always on the table. 24/7. Bakes into the fabric of life. My first trip to LV, that bomb went of in Lefty Rosenthal's car at the steakhouse. Made the front page.

    Jesus, you're GOD. You should know this stuff. This is my real name. It's all real life, Jehovah. Any sense of anonymity is a mirage. If the feds want to know who you are this afternoon, they'll know by this evening.

    Fifty years from now, AI will be able to forensically attach real life names to virtually every online persona that ever existed. If that's an embarrassment to your grandchildren, that's on you.
    Maybe you should dox him and find out. No remorse as in criminals that would hurt people the closest to you just so you had to live the rest of your life with the consequences. It’s clear by the post above you think these people don’t exist. So dox away why are you asking permission tuff guy ?
    I guess, deep down, I always knew GOD was a horse's ass. But I never really thought I'd be correcting him or explaining how to read.

    First, genius, I never said I was doxxing MDawg. So you may want to check your reading comprehension along the way. Too much turning water into wine for you, I guess.

    2) Who am I asking permission from to do what? If I wake up tomorrow and decide I want to doxx MDawg, that's what I'll do. Not asking permission from anyone. But not today. If MDawg gets worried, he knows where to find me. I already posted my address.

    3) If you learned how to read, it's not that I "think these people don't exist." LOL. It's because, on many occasions, I've hung out with them. Maybe even run some errands here and there for them. Guy's gotta make a living, you know.

  6. #2626
    If G_D could read and he went and read the bible, he'd probably resign.

  7. #2627
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    But she could have shot me down in cold blood had she been disturbed enough, or someone I or any of you irritated could do the same to you or I, and I am afraid there are crazies out there who might have that idea in mind.

    This shit can get real, people.
    Good advice.

    I assume that a deranged mind like MDawg who has spent hundreds (thousands?) of hours and hundreds of thousands of words to craft this fantasy is also someone that wouldn't balk at doing physical harm to someone. After all, he's a complete lunatic.

  8. #2628
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I don't think anyone should be doxed unless they really step over the line.

    This phony "MDawg" hasn't come close.

    Where is the line drawn?

    For starters: bad actions taken off-forum, e.g. sending PM's threatening bodily harm to an adversary or their loved ones, or even worse would be some nut-case finding out who and where you are and confronting and harming you in the real world.

    I remember pissing off some fat chick at WOV and she had the brass to confront me at a WoV meet and greet with some dude by her side as a show of force, demanding I apologize.

    Of course, I politely told her in so many words to go fuck herself but that's not the point.

    The point is my posts so angered someone that they sought me out in the real world with "muscle" in order to achieve ... well who the hell knows what she really wanted?

    But she could have shot me down in cold blood had she been disturbed enough, or someone I or any of you irritated could do the same to you or I, and I am afraid there are crazies out there who might have that idea in mind.

    This shit can get real, people.
    You must be referring to NotSoHotBlond, thats the only fatty, other then BBB.

  9. #2629
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post

    You must be referring to NotSoHotBlond, thats the only fatty, other then BBB.
    Totally uncalled for. AFAIK, neither of them even post or read here. Actually, I think I'm Facebook friends with HB, so that's where you might start looking if you want to find her to share your opinion. As far as BBB goes, she's been MIA for some time, and I tend to think she has a lot going on. I don't think I'm out of line to volunteer that I reached out to BBB at one point in late February to check in and did not receive a response, so I hope she's well.

  10. #2630
    Can't recall her handle, definitely not BBB.

    No harm, no foul, just a weird experience.
    What, Me Worry?

  11. #2631
    I ran into HB at Mirage about 5 years ago. She was playing the $50 DD game across from high limit. She sure was much bigger than her bikini pic in which she looks about 110 lbs.

  12. #2632
    (reprinted post from WOV)

    Hold on a minute here! HOLD THE PRESSES!

    Mdawg just got CAUGHT, by one of his own supporters no less, of falsifying pictorial evidence for this trip. The man supposedly is on day 16 of a trip to Las Vegas (every day a winner no less), in which he documents his play and winnings, including pictures, many of cash, and chips, and watches and God knows what.

    One of those pictures has just (page 373) been proven to be fabricated for this trip and having been caught Mdawg confirms it to be over a year old. At the very least he should be penalized for misleading members with phony pictures (for this trip)

    Even more than that to me it calls into question anything and everything he has ever posted. Axelwolf has suggested for some time that the pictures Mdawg has been posting as proof, don’t belong to him. This incident may indicate that.

    But it certainly means he fabricated pictorial evidence to mislead people concerning THIS trip. The pictures involved are of stacks of chips and a watch, designed to falsely indicate winnings on this current trip (if he is even in Las Vegas at the moment). I mean we are along the same lines as Rob Singer fabricated pictures of himself inside an RV at the dealership for credibility.

  13. #2633
    Two charlatans, one nasty, the other a little more civilized. One was a hell of a lot more comical then the other. One I read every post he wrote, the other 80% or more I dismiss. All in all two guys with extreme narcissim that are completely off the charts.

  14. #2634
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    (reprinted post from WOV)

    Hold on a minute here! HOLD THE PRESSES!


    But it certainly means he fabricated pictorial evidence to mislead people concerning THIS trip. The pictures involved are of stacks of chips and a watch, designed to falsely indicate winnings on this current trip (if he is even in Las Vegas at the moment). I mean we are along the same lines as Rob Singer fabricated pictures of himself inside an RV at the dealership for credibility.

    Never mind, that picture of his hand I groaned when I first saw it and Axelwolf actually wrote about it. That picture looks like it came off of an 87 year old man. My first thought when seeing it was this must be the same actor that closed out the ending of this movie.


  15. #2635
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post

    Never mind, that picture of his hand I groaned when I first saw it and Axelwolf actually wrote about it. That picture looks like it came off of an 87 year old man. My first thought when seeing it was this must be the same actor that closed out the ending of this movie.
    You know BoSox, I chose not to say anything about the photo of the hand but I too thought it looks like the hand of an older 'gentleman'. And hands are usually a give away. And if I am not mistaken, this isn't the first picture of his hand that has been posted. I recall seeing a pic of his hand earlier in the thread, sometime last year and coming to the same conclusion. So I had already decided he was probably in his 60's or so and was surprised when there was some talk of 40's. But that is really much, much secondary to everything else. right now.

    I really think Mdawg just exposed himself to the magnitude of Rob Singers RV pictures. Axelwolf has claimed for a while now that Mdawgs pictures belong to someone else, maybe a family member, friend, boss? And that Mdawg just has access. That when he claims to be on a trip and shows pictures of not only chips, cash and watches, but even the high end suites and meals, it may very well be that these pictures are months or even years old and belong to someone else.

    We are going to have to have Mdawg hold up a copy of todays newpaper in his pictures from now on. Would it be out of line to ask Wizard to confirm whether Mdawgs posts have originated from Las Vegas over the last 16 days? My guess: Undoubtably he is masking his location.

  16. #2636
    Not sure who “expected value” is but he called it out immediately in the next post by noticing no plexiglass.

    My guess is Wiz gives him a pass on it and is already pissed by the amount of PM’s he is getting on this. And as we all know, he certainly likes MD more than you KJ. Somehow by calling him out on this you will be the bad guy.

    It’s just how things work over there. And you know it as well as anyone.

  17. #2637
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Not sure who “expected value” is but he called it out immediately in the next post by noticing no plexiglass.

    My guess is Wiz gives him a pass on it and is already pissed by the amount of PM’s he is getting on this. And as we all know, he certainly likes MD more than you KJ. Somehow by calling him out on this you will be the bad guy.

    It’s just how things work over there. And you know it as well as anyone.
    I don't know what Mike's relationship is with Mdawg. yes we all know Mdawg PM's Wizard crying about this and that, manipulating, threatening....whatever it is he does. And I think Mike sometimes gives in just to get the guy off his back for a few days. I don't know that this means Mike "likes" him.

    I also don't know how Mike feels about me. We have a friendly enough online relationship. I don't feel he is out to get me.

    If I turn out to be the bad guy on this and I guess that means suspension, so what. How many times have I been suspended because Mdawg cries to Mike. It isn't going to change a thing. When I go back I will still call out wrong as wrong, just as I have each time I have gone back.

  18. #2638
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    If I turn out to be the bad guy on this and I guess that means suspension, so what.
    tewlj's mantra....

    It's not whether you are a bad guy, it's whether you get suspended for it on WOV.

  19. #2639
    The pic of Dogs hand, was definitely not " Costanza " quality hands. No way are those of a 40ish big shot lawyer.

  20. #2640
    Query, why aren't others held to the same standard as the mdawg? The even-bob spike engages in nons stop self-congratulatory prattle about his supposed ability to beat roulettes in nonAP fashion yet nonbody challenges his claim, hey hey.

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