Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
Originally Posted by redietz View Post
Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
Just treat it like a daily or weekly loss rebate and make one monster bet and it would basically the same. Are there restrictions on what kind of sports bets you can make?do you have to roll the FP over more than once? Do you get a rebate when you make bets with the free play?

Is this offer just for a select few or is it open to others if you fit the criteria? Have you been losing at this particular place? What size bets have you been making?
Axel, you sound like coach!? The info I consider proprietary, so it stays with me, but I'll answer some questions. I would not do the single monster wager thing -- it kind of defeats the purpose -- unless I had the proper opportunity, like hedge against a long shot future bet elsewhere. And if that opportunity presents itself, that's exactly how I try to use it.

I think the rebate has a four-time rollover. Since I'm very rarely doing the giant single wager thing, that doesn't even concern me. I don't concern myself much with any rollovers, to be honest. Lifetime at that site, I'm ahead, but not some huge amount. I know they are treating me with kid gloves because one of my guys had a separate account there. He used some of our plays, but he also did a lot of experimental stuff on his own with baseball, and they took him off every promo and rebate. He got upset and closed his account. But they kept me on and eligible, probably because they know me. I run into that quite a bit. It's almost impossible for me to hide, the way I bet things, so I depend on the largesse, curiosity, and piggybacking of books to tolerate me. Now if you ask why it's impossible to hide, well, I'm not gonna spell it out precisely, but in general, specialists can't hide.

No rebate on the free play bets (boy, that would be cool, didn't even think of that). And there are restrictions on the free play use. Must be straight plays and they have a moneyline bracket limit, which I don't know off the top of my head. It's probably the usual free play limit -- like no more than +140 or something.
Sorry, I was not trying to sound like Coach and I'm not trying to figure out what casino or anything like that. I think coach and others may have jaded you a little without you even knowing it.

I was trying to figure out what the EV might be and the best way to go about betting it for max value and take advantage of the situation to its full potential. it seems like they won't let you take long shots on the Freeplay wagering, so that thought is out.
oftentimes they cut off long-term winning players online, not keep giving them loss rebates, so I thought perhaps on this particular account you were losing this place but winning at other joints and thus the generous offers.

Personally, I would try to recreate a situation where I could have multiple accounts with the same deal and just keep playing my account as I have been, but then go off in different directions and experiment with the other accounts, but make it less obvious as your guy did.

Oftentimes they cut off long-term winning players online, not keep giving them loss rebates, so I thought perhaps on this particular account you were losing at this place but winning at other joints and thus the generous offers.

If they also have other casino games, I would research the rules and see of there's something you could do with that in regards to the rolling over and it may even help with your longevity. Get them to think...He is a winning sports bettor, but he plays slots and stuff so we have a chance to get it back, meanwhile, you have a+EV situation.

Jaded? Moi? LOL. Show me an unjaded professional gambler, and I'll show you a headstone on Boot Hill.

I don't play every angle for max gain with offshores. No multiple accounts. Long term, my actual betting profile is almost unmistakable, so I'd just be fooling some of the people some of the time and cutting my own throat long term. I'm not trying to max out my income this month or this season or this year. There are times that I've caught a bad (as in somebody made an error) future number offshore, and while I exploit it some I never do that anywhere near the posted limit. I'm not out to get somebody fired or screamed at offshore. Everything is a negotiation.

Some of the offshores (not all) look at winning players and try to figure them out, data mine them, or just simply piggyback them. I had one boutique offshore ban me (I was not "their kind of player" -- only explanation), then reverse course a year later and apologize and ask me to come back. No secret -- they try to data mine or piggyback. I had another that comically would not outright ban me, but limited me to $1.29 or something as my futures limit on a golf tournament.

Now in Las Vegas, of course, things are different. Eviscerating is allowed. Occasionally we do things just to poke fun at people and embarrass management a little. In LV, I don't care if I get banned or arrested or anything -- if Las Vegas gets nuked tomorrow, oh well. And some of my LV comp stories -- well, I have hard time believing I had the nerve to pull them off back in my youth.