The WoV Thread

[Mission146]

I don't really get your 'in between' status. Seems like a partial Mod or something. So do you have the power to suspend others, because I have a suggestion. And no it is not the author of that fiction, fantasy thread in the "losing systems / voodoo" section. It is the guy that was supposed to look into the whole thing and tell us what is/was going on and instead, he collected a payday and said, "I am not at liberty to say".

Shade of a witness at murder trial: "Did you see what happened Ms. Smith?" "Yes, I did, but I have made an agreement not to say". Idiotic.

It's not a status. Basically, I have to have backdoor site access in order to edit articles, so I put in a url that would lead to absolutely nothing but an error message for you in order to get there. Because of the backdoor access, there are other permissions that I must maintain (ability to edit any post, thread commands, banning) because it would be very difficult (from a programming standpoint) to separate that stuff given the backdoor access.

Secret Admins, for example, have fewer options to do things than I do.

Anyway, I only delete blatant spam posts/threads and Nuke the spammer before they have the chance to flood as a courtesy. I don't have to do it and nobody has ever asked or expects me to do it. Other than that, I take no Administrative actions whatsoever and have no part in any conversations regarding same.

[MisterV]

Who is actually doing the moderation over there these days, other than Once Dear and the wiz?

BBB seems pretty much MIA.

Any other known, active, "not secret" moderators?

[Mission146]

Who is actually doing the moderation over there these days, other than Once Dear and the wiz?

BBB seems pretty much MIA.

Any other known, active, "not secret" moderators?

I think it's pretty much just OnceDear and Wizard, as far as not secret ones goes. There is at least one person who was a Secret Admin when I was green, but I obviously can't name that person and don't even know if that's still the case. I can say he still posts over there with some regularity.

I mean, you should almost definitely know who it is, but I can't just say it.

I imagine OnceDear has a bit of a workload, but don't know that any other greens are of dire necessity. I think if you log out for a whole day, then you'd log back in and maybe have to start mid-most of the way down of Page 2 of your Recent Threads and work your way up and back to Page 1. That's how it would be if I had logged out for six hours when I was an Admin...a whole day and I'd be starting on Page 4 or 5 and working my way up.

So, I'd say it's probably a bit for one person, but certainly only half of what it was during the couple of years that I mostly did it myself.

You also learn what threads can generally be ignored if you're not inclined to read them anyway.

[Ozzy]

If I were to guess the secret mod I would go with braggart brownosing Soopooh and runner up thin skin Rdw4Potus.

[kewlJ]

Secret mods are stupid. Not the least bit surprised that forum would engage with such a process. Anything to avoid transparency over there. Anyone suspended or banned should have the right to know who did so and why.

[redietz]

If I were to guess the secret mod I would go with braggart brownosing Soopooh and runner up thin skin Rdw4Potus.

I have limited experience there, but Ozzy's choices sound right. SooPoo posts seem to be defenders of whatever decisions have been made and the status quo. He tries too hard and too consistently to make everything done sound logical and copacetic. He papers over the inconsistency and arbitrary decisions and does Disneyesque commentary on frictions.

Ozzy is likely correct.

[Mission146]

Secret mods are stupid. Not the least bit surprised that forum would engage with such a process. Anything to avoid transparency over there. Anyone suspended or banned should have the right to know who did so and why.

Jesus Christ. Transparency? It's not your financial institution. Lots of Forums have some equivalent of that.

For my part, I put most Suspensions (other than blatant spam) on the Suspension list and quoted any offending posts, stated the infraction and the term. How anyone else wants to do it is up to them.

[kewlJ]

Because I, a professional advantage player living in Las Vegas am not allowed (and btw, the only person on the forum not allowed) to participate in a discussion involving possible AP play in Las vegas, I have no choice but to bring darkoz's comments here.

Darkoz quote from WoV:

3 He actually has a mathematical advantage over Baccarat he is exploiting.

In years past, a positive nod from the Wizard was enough to validate a person making claims. That's why there were calls in here to have the Wiz watch MDawg play.

I find it sad and disconcerting that even the Wizards own pass of legitimacy (including his statement that this isn't a simple system of luck progression but more to it than that) is no longer considered good enough

Darkoz, the problem with this #3, is that I am others asked Mdawg more than a dozen times if there was something he was doing, or some special concession from the casinos that would have him playing at an advantage. And each and every time he said NO. Now, of course if he had found the holy grail, something all the mathematicians and computers have missed, he is under no obligation to share it. But he can't flat out lie about it either. If that were the case (and I don't believe that for a second), his play should have been to keep his big mouth shut.

Now here is your problem with the wizard opinion and comment isn't good enough. It would be for me. The problem is Wizard gave a half statement. Wizard is considered a gambling math expert. You see him called on in that role on various videos and gambling shows. And he gives his opinions. That is what he was asked to do here, to witness Mdawgs play and give his expert opinion as to whether Mdawgs claims are true. To date he has failed to do that. He witnessed the play and then said I agreed not to talk about it.

This whole thing about witnessing the play so Wizard could see what he was doing, was Wizard's idea back in December. And it was about so he could then give his expert opinion based on seeing that play as to whether all these claims in their entirety are true. Again, he isn't asked to prove whether or not true, just give his expert opinion. And Mike has failed and refused to do that. And that is shitty of him.

[jbjb]

[redietz]

Because I, a professional advantage player living in Las Vegas am not allowed (and btw, the only person on the forum not allowed) to participate in a discussion involving possible AP play in Las vegas, I have no choice but to bring darkoz's comments here.

Darkoz quote from WoV:

3 He actually has a mathematical advantage over Baccarat he is exploiting.

In years past, a positive nod from the Wizard was enough to validate a person making claims. That's why there were calls in here to have the Wiz watch MDawg play.

I find it sad and disconcerting that even the Wizards own pass of legitimacy (including his statement that this isn't a simple system of luck progression but more to it than that) is no longer considered good enough

Darkoz, the problem with this #3, is that I am others asked Mdawg more than a dozen times if there was something he was doing, or some special concession from the casinos that would have him playing at an advantage. And each and every time he said NO. Now, of course if he had found the holy grail, something all the mathematicians and computers have missed, he is under no obligation to share it. But he can't flat out lie about it either. If that were the case (and I don't believe that for a second), his play should have been to keep his big mouth shut.

Now here is your problem with the wizard opinion and comment isn't good enough. It would be for me. The problem is Wizard gave a half statement. Wizard is considered a gambling math expert. You see him called on in that role on various videos and gambling shows. And he gives his opinions. That is what he was asked to do here, to witness Mdawgs play and give his expert opinion as to whether Mdawgs claims are true. To date he has failed to do that. He witnessed the play and then said I agreed not to talk about it.

This whole thing about witnessing the play so Wizard could see what he was doing, was Wizard's idea back in December. And it was about so he could then give his expert opinion based on seeing that play as to whether all these claims in their entirety are true. Again, he isn't asked to prove whether or not true, just give his expert opinion. And Mike has failed and refused to do that. And that is shitty of him.

The problem with the whole thing is that you have an alleged math expert who has decided to not talk about the math. LOL. So that makes him pretty much useless.

Meanwhile, the philanthropist DarkOz has jumped on the bandwagon, which everyone (or at least me), said would happen because (1) how else do you justify throwing money away when you're the most feared AP on the east coast or (2) DarkOz is part of the project.

Anybody who read the posts over at WoV could see DarkOz doing the rather sudden about-face prior to his investing in the alleged demonstration. It was so odd that it stuck out like the proverbial sore thumb. If you read the back-and-forth between DarkOz and MDawg just prior to ExpectedValue saying thanks but no thanks, you could anticipate that DarkOz was going to do this.

So, either as a philanthropist or deviously not, DarkOz's touting of MDawg was going to be on the agenda. Maybe I've been gambling professionally for too long. My default perspective on this stuff is not Disney. But the foreshadowing was so blatant that it looks like scam to me. Whether the goal was more views, or an investment club, I don't know and I don't really care. It's all garbage.

[The Boz]

Actually I care. Not as Boz the poster who will not post publicly again. And TRUST me you won’t see on these forums again. Many of you know who I am and know how to contact me. And if you disagree with me exposing, not doxxing this public figure, sorry it’s the life we live and risk.

But I will post in the near future who the guy posting as MDawg actually is. Not by doxxing him because he is actually successful enough to sue me. And it would cost me legal fees which he can afford, win or lose.

But as a customer of the firm he works for.. A customer who decided the firm wasn’t a fit for my particular case.

Finally this guy will be exposed and reviewed for the lawyer he is. And I will congratulate him for the incredible gambler he is for his customers to see. All legal, and a legitimate review of the firm he works for.

Play with explosives as a public figure, even advertising in a local Yellow Pages, believe it or not. Which the ad you will all see shortly.

MDawg rules, I’m sure his father and partners will agree.

[redietz]

Actually I care. Not as Boz the poster who will not post publicly again. And TRUST me you won’t see on these forums again. Many of you know who I am and know how to contact me. And if you disagree with me exposing, not doxxing this public figure, sorry it’s the life we live and risk.

But I will post in the near future who the guy posting as MDawg actually is. Not by doxxing him because he is actually successful enough to sue me. And it would cost me legal fees which he can afford, win or lose.

But as a customer of the firm he works for.. A customer who decided the firm wasn’t a fit for my particular case.

Finally this guy will be exposed and reviewed for the lawyer he is. And I will congratulate him for the incredible gambler he is for his customers to see. All legal, and a legitimate review of the firm he works for.

Play with explosives as a public figure, even advertising in a local Yellow Pages, believe it or not. Which the ad you will all see shortly.

MDawg rules, I’m sure his father and partners will agree.

Good.

Personally, if a volunteer to do the doxxing is required, I'm sure I could track one down.

And please don't tell me this is some son-of-a-rich-dude who wandered onto gambling forums with his arrogant garbage. See, that really sticks in the craws of certain actual gambling professionals from working class or worse backgrounds, like, say, kewlJ or me or mickey. Because if that's the case, there will be grief.

Fortunately, I'm old enough and nasty enough that I don't care a whit about much of anything. But a son-of-a-rich-man pulling this nonsense, that I care about.

[kewlJ]

Actually I care. Not as Boz the poster who will not post publicly again. And TRUST me you won’t see on these forums again. Many of you know who I am and know how to contact me. And if you disagree with me exposing, not doxxing this public figure, sorry it’s the life we live and risk.

But I will post in the near future who the guy posting as MDawg actually is. Not by doxxing him because he is actually successful enough to sue me. And it would cost me legal fees which he can afford, win or lose.

But as a customer of the firm he works for.. A customer who decided the firm wasn’t a fit for my particular case.

Finally this guy will be exposed and reviewed for the lawyer he is. And I will congratulate him for the incredible gambler he is for his customers to see. All legal, and a legitimate review of the firm he works for.

Play with explosives as a public figure, even advertising in a local Yellow Pages, believe it or not. Which the ad you will all see shortly.

MDawg rules, I’m sure his father and partners will agree.

While normally, I am very anti-doxxing, I am fine with the Boz's intended actions of sharing info about who Mdawg is. He has been lying about me and other AP's in an attempt to discredit us (in my case lying about my results over and over). I don't think he has succeeded in discrediting anyone but himself, but because of his intent and the lying, I am fine with it.

Even more than "fine with it", I have actually been wondering what I would do if the information "fell to me", because I know there are a number of people looking into who this creep is. And I have concluded that I would probably reveal some things, especially anything that contradicts any claims made.

You start attacking people in the nasty and personal way that this guy has, and this is the kind of thing that happens. So I gotta say, looking forward to the next step, Boz.

[redietz]

Actually I care. Not as Boz the poster who will not post publicly again. And TRUST me you won’t see on these forums again. Many of you know who I am and know how to contact me. And if you disagree with me exposing, not doxxing this public figure, sorry it’s the life we live and risk.

But I will post in the near future who the guy posting as MDawg actually is. Not by doxxing him because he is actually successful enough to sue me. And it would cost me legal fees which he can afford, win or lose.

But as a customer of the firm he works for.. A customer who decided the firm wasn’t a fit for my particular case.

Finally this guy will be exposed and reviewed for the lawyer he is. And I will congratulate him for the incredible gambler he is for his customers to see. All legal, and a legitimate review of the firm he works for.

Play with explosives as a public figure, even advertising in a local Yellow Pages, believe it or not. Which the ad you will all see shortly.

MDawg rules, I’m sure his father and partners will agree.

While normally, I am very anti-doxxing, I am fine with the Boz's intended actions of sharing info about who Mdawg is. He has been lying about me and other AP's in an attempt to discredit us (in my case lying about my results over and over). I don't think he has succeeded in discrediting anyone but himself, but because of his intent and the lying, I am fine with it.

Even more than "fine with it", I have actually been wondering what I would do if the information "fell to me", because I know there are a number of people looking into who this creep is. And I have concluded that I would probably reveal some things, especially anything that contradicts any claims made. You start attacking people in the nasty and personal way that this guy has, and this is the kind of thing that happens. So I gotta say, looking forward to the next step, Boz.

Frankly, I'd dox the guy yesterday. I guess that makes me pro-doxing. LOL. Oh well.

Unless you're harassing or threatening somebody, doxing isn't a crime. And it's easy enough to skirt U.S. laws anyway, as all you have to do is have somebody in another country dox the dude. Problem solved.

I'd love to sit in court and explain why this guy's tall tales were potentially doing untold damage to civilian gamblers. Plus the gambling threads tied into the investment threads make it all look like a scam to lure investors to cover Dawg's gambling losses.

[MDawg]

Three busy bodies with nothing better to do. BOZ. REDIETZ. unKEWLJ.

Prove that you have a life, by stopping your obsessing over MDAWG.

I won't hold my breath though. Little people spend all their time talking about others.

Prove me wrong! that you're not "little people."

Welcome back stupid fuck. Assuming you addressed your cheating Son in Law over the Holidays.

Show me once where KJ said his brother would double his income.

Maybe for the New Years you should try not talking out of your stupidly fucked ass. Not having any son in laws confirms just endless stinking shit shooting out of your fucked ass.

I said -"Then claiming to be training his brother who lives with him which could only mean doubling their income." How you get KJ said his brother would double his income from my quote only is another confirmation that not only do you have a fucked ass, it's a stupid fucked ass. Happy New Year

You and I both know you know I’m right. Should I doxx you to prove it? Sorry not my MO.

Face it asshole, lifetime admitted loser at gambling bitter at the gambling world.

Sad because you have been successful at other parts in your life.

This was a DOX warning first coming from Boz he posted in the “Adventures of MDawg” thread.

”And I’m serious as a Heart Attack someone will doxx you in the future. It’s happened to some of us before, it happened to someone here recently with a picture and a name. Someone threatened to turn you in to security at casinos you frequent. And you have already decided it’s something you are willing to do to both Michael and Axel with half hearted attempts. I truly hope it doesn’t happen to you, but you are continuing to make yourself a target.”

Then two days later there was a DOX warning coming from Axel that he posted in the “Big Casino Wins and Jackpots” thread.

“It certainly won't come from me, but just remember what goes around can sometimes come around 10 fold, It actually gets very serious. Isn't that why guys like Larry's had to leave, when s*** got real? And let's not forget all the other stories of some serious real life s*** that went down. I certainly hope no one ever does that to anyone, including you, but it's something to be mindful of

First Boz made the back-door threat of a member getting doxed, and now Axel with the same type of reminder about members running the risk of getting doxed. Then it even sounds like Axel added a warning about some serious personal shit happening to a member in real life.

This is how hustling crooks behave especially when they start looking like hustling crooks. They can’t come out and say what they really want to happen, instead they become good Samaritans and give a friendly warning of what they hope won’t happen.

Other than Axel, and Boz, who else posting on this forum even had getting doxed cross their minds?

Just another confirmed fact of the type of people you’re dealing with on these forums.

[redietz]

Three busy bodies with nothing better to do. BOZ. REDIETZ. unKEWLJ.

Prove that you have a life, by stopping your obsessing over MDAWG.

I won't hold my breath though. Little people spend all their time talking about others.

Prove me wrong! that you're not "little people."

This was a DOX warning first coming from Boz he posted in the “Adventures of MDawg” thread.

”And I’m serious as a Heart Attack someone will doxx you in the future. It’s happened to some of us before, it happened to someone here recently with a picture and a name. Someone threatened to turn you in to security at casinos you frequent. And you have already decided it’s something you are willing to do to both Michael and Axel with half hearted attempts. I truly hope it doesn’t happen to you, but you are continuing to make yourself a target.”

Then two days later there was a DOX warning coming from Axel that he posted in the “Big Casino Wins and Jackpots” thread.

“It certainly won't come from me, but just remember what goes around can sometimes come around 10 fold, It actually gets very serious. Isn't that why guys like Larry's had to leave, when s*** got real? And let's not forget all the other stories of some serious real life s*** that went down. I certainly hope no one ever does that to anyone, including you, but it's something to be mindful of

First Boz made the back-door threat of a member getting doxed, and now Axel with the same type of reminder about members running the risk of getting doxed. Then it even sounds like Axel added a warning about some serious personal shit happening to a member in real life.

This is how hustling crooks behave especially when they start looking like hustling crooks. They can’t come out and say what they really want to happen, instead they become good Samaritans and give a friendly warning of what they hope won’t happen.

Other than Axel, and Boz, who else posting on this forum even had getting doxed cross their minds?

Just another confirmed fact of the type of people you’re dealing with on these forums.

I'm 5'11 3/4".

If reality doesn't back up your storyline -- LOL -- get ready for some grief.

Doxing you would be a public service.

I get a kick how these people addicted to fantasy posting under pseudonyms start to get real nervous when they look up and see the old Sword of Damocles ready to thrust some reality into their fantasy.

If you had just toned your nonsense down when you were told you were getting out of hand, well, this stuff doesn't happen. But no, you had to keep fantasy yapping. This is on you. I'm sure your "big people" shoulders can handle it. Not sure how broad your daddy's shoulders are, but we'll find out, I guess.

[MDawg]

[monet]

I'm 5'11 3/4".

If reality doesn't back up your storyline -- LOL -- get ready for some grief.

Doxing you would be a public service.

I get a kick how these people addicted to fantasy posting under pseudonyms start to get real nervous when they look up and see the old Sword of Damocles ready to thrust some reality into their fantasy.

If you had just toned your nonsense down when you were told you were getting out of hand, well, this stuff doesn't happen. But no, you had to keep fantasy yapping. This is on you. I'm sure your "big people" shoulders can handle it. Not sure how broad your daddy's shoulders are, but we'll find out, I guess.

Yanks win 10-0
Nordiques win 3-0

Fuck Off!
Some of us are actually busy gambling.
You feel Froggy?
Jump!

[redietz]

Yeah, we've reached that inevitable point. The garbage gets exposed, the 50-some winning streak takes its place next to cartoons of Might Mouse saving the day, and daddy gets embarrassed by sonny.

The Circle of Life. Not something we elder gamblers haven't see a dozen times here and a dozen times there.

[monet]

Actually I care. Not as Boz the poster who will not post publicly again. And TRUST me you won’t see on these forums again. Many of you know who I am and know how to contact me. And if you disagree with me exposing, not doxxing this public figure, sorry it’s the life we live and risk.

But I will post in the near future who the guy posting as MDawg actually is. Not by doxxing him because he is actually successful enough to sue me. And it would cost me legal fees which he can afford, win or lose.

But as a customer of the firm he works for.. A customer who decided the firm wasn’t a fit for my particular case.

Finally this guy will be exposed and reviewed for the lawyer he is. And I will congratulate him for the incredible gambler he is for his customers to see. All legal, and a legitimate review of the firm he works for.

Play with explosives as a public figure, even advertising in a local Yellow Pages, believe it or not. Which the ad you will all see shortly.

MDawg rules, I’m sure his father and partners will agree.

You went from taking a "time out" from this forum because someone doxxed you to now this.
Depressing.
Anyone else you want to tattletale on while you're at it?
Long Live Big Brother!

Anyone, Anywhere got a problem with me they can come over for Free Drinks of their choice, Brownies and Steak Dinner.
Dinner Menu can always be changed.
Of course you must get rapid tested, wear a mask and show me your Covid Vaccine Passport.