A little hope for the KJ haters.

[kewlJ]

I'll give you guys a little something to hope for. I tested positive this morning for covid....again. I had covid 17 months ago and had a rather hard time with it. Not so much hard as long. Symptoms just lasted a really long time, like a month, the whole month of April 2020.

So anyway, we had some friends visit for 5 days over the last week for a couple of the music events in town. About 3 days after they arrived, I started to not feel great. Feverish, achy a little chest pressure. Ever since my second heart surgery, I get really scared with any kind of chest pain. But I knew immediately this wasn't heart related, it was lung by location and reminiscent of my lung pressure from last year, just much less severe. So it hasn't gotten worse over the last 3 days or anything and is very mild compared to last year, but I called the doctor and got tested this morning.

I am fully vaccinated and I believe in the science and hopefully will just have these mild symptoms for another day or two protected against severe illness, just the way it is supposed to work. But you all can do you best as far as hoping and praying for the worst.

[accountinquestion]

Which vaccine? I have never had any symptoms but played poker ~20 times and spent many many hours in casinos since vaxed and I've never had a symptom yet. I don't know if I had it without symptoms or I've just been lucky evading it. Luckily I got the moderna vax.

[kewlJ]

Pfizer. I know initially they were saying the Pfizer data looked better and now Modena data looks a little better. I am not too worried about that.

I got the vacs in March and beginning of April. So it hasn't even been 6 months. I also happen to believe that protection last much longer than 6 months. Antibodies begin to wane after 6-8 months, but antibodies are only part of the protective equation. There is something called T-cell memory, which can last for years in which T-cells restore memory and can ramp up protection very quickly when a second or new virus is detected. So even after antibodies decrease people are protected for much longer.

They claim people that got the Sars virus back in 2003 are still protected today, 18 years later, even though the antibodies from that natural immunity are long gone. I believe it will be similar with this virus, however I will still get any boosters that come along.

I also shouldn't blame anything on my brother's friends visit. I have been playing blackjack most days since April 1, including some crowded tables on the strip on some weekends. Just seems coincidental that we had company arrive last week (air travel) and 3 days later I started showing symptoms.

[redietz]

Pfizer. I know initially they were saying the Pfizer data looked better and now Modena data looks a little better. I am not too worried about that.

I got the vacs in March and beginning of April. So it hasn't even been 6 months. I also happen to believe that protection last much longer than 6 months. Antibodies begin to wane after 6-8 months, but antibodies are only part of the protective equation. There is something called T-cell memory, which can last for years in which T-cells restore memory and can ramp up protection very quickly when a second or new virus is detected. So even after antibodies decrease people are protected for much longer.

They claim people that got the Sars virus back in 2003 are still protected today, 18 years later, even though the antibodies from that natural immunity are long gone. I believe it will be similar with this virus, however I will still get any boosters that come along.

I also shouldn't blame anything on my brother's friends visit. I have been playing blackjack most days since April 1, including some crowded tables on the strip on some weekends. Just seems coincidental that we had company arrive last week (air travel) and 3 days later I started showing symptoms.

KewlJ, if you are out in public and interacting, and the Delta variant has a viral load a thousand times more than the original strain, then eventually you're going to get Covid. It's not like vaccines have 90% protection against Delta. They don't. And after a few months, the percentages crash. The boosters aren't designed for Delta, either. That was one of the arguments at the friction-filled debate about boosters.

I liken it to playing Russian roulette with a 100-chamber handgun. If you're unvaccinated, every interaction with people is like pulling the trigger three times with a large caliber weapon. Every vaccinated person doing the same thing pulls the trigger once with a smaller caliber weapon. Eventually, vaccinated or unvaccinated, you get shot. The larger caliber is more likely to kill you, but the smaller caliber can kill you, too.

[MaxPen]

The only people I hear about or know getting Covid are vaccinated. Pretty sure the shot takers are gonna continue getting rekt with every variant. That's the problem with ADE. I will stick with the immune system God issued me.....RIP

[kewlJ]

KewlJ, if you are out in public and interacting, and the Delta variant has a viral load a thousand times more than the original strain, then eventually you're going to get Covid. It's not like vaccines have 90% protection against Delta. They don't. And after a few months, the percentages crash. The boosters aren't designed for Delta, either. That was one of the arguments at the friction-filled debate about boosters.

I liken it to playing Russian roulette with a 100-chamber handgun. If you're unvaccinated, every interaction with people is like pulling the trigger three times with a large caliber weapon. Every vaccinated person doing the same thing pulls the trigger once with a smaller caliber weapon. Eventually, vaccinated or unvaccinated, you get shot. The larger caliber is more likely to kill you, but the smaller caliber can kill you, too.

Redietz, no offense, but you are a bit of a doom-and-gloomer. I trust that you believe some of the doom/gloom comments you make, but I prefer to do my own reading and research and draw my own conclusions. Again, no offense, but I completely reject your 100 chamber handgun theory with unvaccinated having 3 times the risk. I don't know if you are talking about contracting the virus, which many will not even know, their symptoms are so mild, or severe illness/hospitilization. The second is the concern and everything I have seen says vaccinated people's risk of severe illness is way down from unvaccinated people.

And very small sample size but my experience so far bares this out. My symptoms are very mild, slight fever and achy saturday and sunday nights, slight chest, not even pain, just pressure. No trouble breathing or anything and those symptoms have even improved since sunday/monday. If this was 2 years ago before any of us had ever heard of covid, I would have thought nothing of it and wouldn't have even called the doctor. And that is exactly the way things are supposed to work with the vaccines. Protection against severe illness.

Most people may not even know they have covid or a second round of covid. My brother and BF, are both going to get tested tomorrow. Neither has show even a hint of anything, but it wouldn't surprise me if one or both test positive without having any symptoms. Will be interesting to see. Unfortunately, I am a little bit higher risk and this virus has effected me a little more. Robby will chime in about how unhealthy I am....that is why I posted. I wanted to give him a chance to rejoice and celebrate.

[kewlJ]

The only people I hear about or know getting Covid are vaccinated. Pretty sure the shot takers are gonna continue getting rekt with every variant. That's the problem with ADE. I will stick with the immune system God issued me.....RIP

That is 100% fine and your choice. I hope your immune system is super strong and protects you for a long time. But just know there are quite a number of people that felt the same exact way you do, until damn near their last breath and last recorded message. I am sure you think that is all fake. Again, your choice.

Just curious? You don't or didn't get your kids vaccinated against the various childhood diseases that up until vaccines were discovered used to kill a significant number of children? And if you did then why? Their God given immune system wasn't enough? What if you or one of your kids or family members contracted a curable cancer or other disease? Would your position be if your God given immune system can't do the trick, forget it? I mean that is basically the position of the Amish.

[MaxPen]

The only people I hear about or know getting Covid are vaccinated. Pretty sure the shot takers are gonna continue getting rekt with every variant. That's the problem with ADE. I will stick with the immune system God issued me.....RIP

That is 100% fine and your choice. I hope your immune system is super strong and protects you for a long time. But just know there are quite a number of people that felt the same exact way you do, until damn near their last breath and last recorded message. I am sure you think that is all fake. Again, your choice.

Just curious? You don't or didn't get your kids vaccinated against the various childhood diseases that up until vaccines were discovered used to kill a significant number of children? And if you did then why? Their God given immune system wasn't enough? What if you or one of your kids or family members contracted a curable cancer or other disease? Would your position be if your God given immune system can't do the trick, forget it? I mean that is basically the position of the Amish.

Well you don't know much about what you had injected into your body if you think this vax compares to the polio, smallpox, et. al. vaccines.

[mickeycrimm]

The latest Wisconsin study is showing 1.1 vaccinated per one hundred thousand dying from covid while 11.7 not fully vaccinated people per one hundred thousand dying from covid. Note the "not fully vaccinated."

Hopefully, you will be fine, KJ. Get well soon.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...2x_2fwxvqw6Kc5

[MaxPen]

[kewlJ]

The latest Wisconsin study is showing 1.1 vaccinated per one hundred thousand dying from covid while 11.7 not fully vaccinated people per one hundred thousand dying from covid. Note the "not fully vaccinated."

Hopefully, you will be fine, KJ. Get well soon.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...2x_2fwxvqw6Kc5

Thanks mickey.

It seems strange that Wisconsin broke it down as vaccinated vs "not fully vaccinated". That is lumping the unvaccinated in with the partially vaccinated. I would prefer to see a vaccinated vs (totally) unvaccinated leaving out the partially, because as I understand it, partially vaccinated effects different people differently. Some have more protection that others depending on all sorts of things. For example a partially vaccinated person, meaning had one of the two shots, but who had covid fairly recently (maybe not even knowingly) would have almost the same, maybe even more protection that a twice vaccinated person who never had covid.

Since what we want to know is the difference between fully vaccinated and (totally) unvaccinated, that should have been the parameters.

But it doesn't matter. There are all sorts of numbers and data and a person can likely find something that supports their own predetermined position if they look hard enough. But in my mind there are numbers that while could be a little different for different states, areas, and sample sizes all basically say the same 2 things and they are

1.) vaccinated people are protected much more than unvaccinated people not necessarily from contracting the virus (that would have been nice), but from severe illness, hospitalizations and death. And that is the name of the game right now.

2.) The locations with the highest numbers of hospitalizations, and deaths are the areas and states that have the lowest vaccination rates right now and it is putting a stress on those states/areas hospital and medical systems. That is just a fact.

People can be weary of the vaccinations, think they weren't tested long enough and worry about what happens down the road, but the undeniable fact is right now people that are getting vaccinated are much more likely to avoid, severe illness, hospitalization and death. That is not a political position, it is a fact.

[kewlJ]

Dude, they have 20 children, so they can afford to lose a few, or even half.

Edit: this statement seems harsh, but I'll bet if you were to walk around an Amish cemetery you would find an unusually large number of children's dates on headstones. That is about all the data you will find.

[OnceDear]

I'll give you guys a little something to hope for. I tested positive this morning for covid....again. I had covid 17 months ago and had a rather hard time with it. Not so much hard as long. Symptoms just lasted a really long time, like a month, the whole month of April 2020.

Get well soon. And after all this, you'll be well equipped with antibodies.

[kewlJ]

Get well soon. And after all this, you'll be well equipped with antibodies.

Thanks OnceDear, that would be great! I'll take all the help I can get. But I honestly feel like I was already protected. Unless things change, my symptoms were very, very mild and I honestly don't even feel any symptoms today. If I hadn't gone to the doctor and been tested and feel this good tomorrow I probably would have gone out about my business. But since I did get tested, I will do my part and isolate at home for a few days over the weekend.

[redietz]

KewlJ, if you are out in public and interacting, and the Delta variant has a viral load a thousand times more than the original strain, then eventually you're going to get Covid. It's not like vaccines have 90% protection against Delta. They don't. And after a few months, the percentages crash. The boosters aren't designed for Delta, either. That was one of the arguments at the friction-filled debate about boosters.

I liken it to playing Russian roulette with a 100-chamber handgun. If you're unvaccinated, every interaction with people is like pulling the trigger three times with a large caliber weapon. Every vaccinated person doing the same thing pulls the trigger once with a smaller caliber weapon. Eventually, vaccinated or unvaccinated, you get shot. The larger caliber is more likely to kill you, but the smaller caliber can kill you, too.

Redietz, no offense, but you are a bit of a doom-and-gloomer. I trust that you believe some of the doom/gloom comments you make, but I prefer to do my own reading and research and draw my own conclusions. Again, no offense, but I completely reject your 100 chamber handgun theory with unvaccinated having 3 times the risk. I don't know if you are talking about contracting the virus, which many will not even know, their symptoms are so mild, or severe illness/hospitilization. The second is the concern and everything I have seen says vaccinated people's risk of severe illness is way down from unvaccinated people.

And very small sample size but my experience so far bares this out. My symptoms are very mild, slight fever and achy saturday and sunday nights, slight chest, not even pain, just pressure. No trouble breathing or anything and those symptoms have even improved since sunday/monday. If this was 2 years ago before any of us had ever heard of covid, I would have thought nothing of it and wouldn't have even called the doctor. And that is exactly the way things are supposed to work with the vaccines. Protection against severe illness.

Most people may not even know they have covid or a second round of covid. My brother and BF, are both going to get tested tomorrow. Neither has show even a hint of anything, but it wouldn't surprise me if one or both test positive without having any symptoms. Will be interesting to see. Unfortunately, I am a little bit higher risk and this virus has effected me a little more. Robby will chime in about how unhealthy I am....that is why I posted. I wanted to give him a chance to rejoice and celebrate.

Imagine, if you will, five years ago, and you are told that in a couple of years somewhere between 700,000 and a million Americans would be dead from a virus, with no end in sight. And people respond with, "Pshaw, you're a doom and gloomer." And then it happens. And they still respond with "Pshaw, you're a doom and gloomer."

Amazing what people will normalize in the name of, what, coping with stress? Not changing routines? Keeping the wheels of commerce humming?

I suppose if the figure hits three million after five more years and a few more variants, the response will still be, "You're a doom and gloomer." Because not responding that way would be un-normal. The absurdity of it all is mind boggling.

Meanwhile, the head of South Korea's Infectious Disease Institute was asked when we can reasonably expect the next Covid-type virus to appear. He said he expects one every four to five years. I notice no one has asked any American experts that question lately.

LOL. The South Korean must be a doom and gloomer.

[mickeycrimm]

KewlJ, if you are out in public and interacting, and the Delta variant has a viral load a thousand times more than the original strain, then eventually you're going to get Covid. It's not like vaccines have 90% protection against Delta. They don't. And after a few months, the percentages crash. The boosters aren't designed for Delta, either. That was one of the arguments at the friction-filled debate about boosters.

I liken it to playing Russian roulette with a 100-chamber handgun. If you're unvaccinated, every interaction with people is like pulling the trigger three times with a large caliber weapon. Every vaccinated person doing the same thing pulls the trigger once with a smaller caliber weapon. Eventually, vaccinated or unvaccinated, you get shot. The larger caliber is more likely to kill you, but the smaller caliber can kill you, too.

Redietz, no offense, but you are a bit of a doom-and-gloomer. I trust that you believe some of the doom/gloom comments you make, but I prefer to do my own reading and research and draw my own conclusions. Again, no offense, but I completely reject your 100 chamber handgun theory with unvaccinated having 3 times the risk. I don't know if you are talking about contracting the virus, which many will not even know, their symptoms are so mild, or severe illness/hospitilization. The second is the concern and everything I have seen says vaccinated people's risk of severe illness is way down from unvaccinated people.

And very small sample size but my experience so far bares this out. My symptoms are very mild, slight fever and achy saturday and sunday nights, slight chest, not even pain, just pressure. No trouble breathing or anything and those symptoms have even improved since sunday/monday. If this was 2 years ago before any of us had ever heard of covid, I would have thought nothing of it and wouldn't have even called the doctor. And that is exactly the way things are supposed to work with the vaccines. Protection against severe illness.

Most people may not even know they have covid or a second round of covid. My brother and BF, are both going to get tested tomorrow. Neither has show even a hint of anything, but it wouldn't surprise me if one or both test positive without having any symptoms. Will be interesting to see. Unfortunately, I am a little bit higher risk and this virus has effected me a little more. Robby will chime in about how unhealthy I am....that is why I posted. I wanted to give him a chance to rejoice and celebrate.

Imagine, if you will, five years ago, and you are told that in a couple of years somewhere between 700,000 and a million Americans would be dead from a virus, with no end in sight. And people respond with, "Pshaw, you're a doom and gloomer." And then it happens. And they still respond with "Pshaw, you're a doom and gloomer."

Amazing what people will normalize in the name of, what, coping with stress? Not changing routines? Keeping the wheels of commerce humming?

I suppose if the figure hits three million after five more years and a few more variants, the response will still be, "You're a doom and gloomer." Because not responding that way would be un-normal. The absurdity of it all is mind boggling.

Meanwhile, the head of South Korea's Infectious Disease Institute was asked when we can reasonably expect the next Covid-type virus to appear. He said he expects one every four to five years. I notice no one has asked any American experts that question lately.

LOL. The South Korean must be a doom and gloomer.

So it is expected that the Chi-Comms will release a new deadly virus every 4 or five years? I can believe that. To bad Chi-Comm puppets like Biden and Fauci haven't got a clue.

The American people got a big taste of what it's like to be locked down and we didn't like it. As an open and free society we've always balanced risk against reward. 40K highway fatalities a year could be wiped out with a 20 MPH speed limit. 60K deaths a year to the regular flu could have been wiped out with lockdowns and social distancing. The number of deaths have been acceptable to us in order to remain open and free. Whats different about covid? Nothing but the media attention and the doom and gloomers.

No matter what the doom and gloomers say we've been through the worst of covid and will find the tolerable level of risk versus reward. A certain number of deaths per year will be found tolerable just like in driving and the regular flu.

[jbjb]

I like the "How come you people don't get coronavirus" meme. And they answer "We don't have TVs!"

[kewlJ]

My brother and my BF were tested today, my brother tested positive and has no symptoms and the BF negative. Both were planning to go about their days as normal, my brother playing blackjack, the BF to his retail job. I had to explain to both that they both are supposed to stay home for a few days so as not to infect others. They both seem oblivious but agreed to humor me, by spending the next 4 days chillin at home playing video games and watching football.

People don't even seem to understand the rules, much less follow them. That is why this virus is going to keep circulating and be a part of our lives forever.

I mean I feel good today as well. I feel like I could go out and do my normal thing as well. But you gotta be responsible.

[The Boz]

Sorry to hear KJ, hopefully it’s minimal symptoms and you back to normal life quickly. Just goes to show the longer this virus is around, the less we know about it. I’m still a believer in the vaccine, but I also believe other than possibly reducing the symptoms when, not if, you get it, it’s doing nothing to stop the spread.

My worthless thought is mostly healthy like myself have gotten it and would have no clue unless they are regularly tested, like athletes and some HC workers. And if you are vaccinated and believe it works, I can’t understand those bitching about the non vaccinated. Their decision, nothing more and I totally respect it. In my life I feel it was the best choice but as KJ shows again, it is no guarantee as they guy has now had it twice.

I personally never had a Covid test and never will, nor will I show my papers. Anyone requiring it won’t get my business. It’s the modern racism of the 60’s not allowing blacks to sit at the lunch counter. Instead of the south, it’s liberal shitholes using it to bully others. If they really “cared” about people they would require it to go the grocery store as delivery service and car pickup are common today. But they know they can’t get away with that, so they go with what they can, restaurants and events.

[kewlJ]

Sorry to hear KJ, hopefully it’s minimal symptoms and you back to normal life quickly. Just goes to show the longer this virus is around, the less we know about it. I’m still a believer in the vaccine, but I also believe other than possibly reducing the symptoms when, not if, you get it, it’s doing nothing to stop the spread.

Thanks Boz. I think you are right about the vaccine doing nothing to reduce the spread. Probably worse that that, probably 'hindering' reducing the spread because so many get infected, have no symptoms, so don't even know and go about their lives, infecting others.

The only thing I would add to your statement is the vaccine doesn't just reduce symptoms, as I am currently experiencing and benefitting from, but almost all data indicates it reduces the chance of severe illness, hospitalization and death. And that is really the name of the game isn't it?