I saw this online: the frequency of winning hands is 45.45% on 9-6 Jacks or Better and 45.51% on 8-5 Bonus Poker.
since both games pay for two-pair why is there a difference in "win frequency"??
I saw this online: the frequency of winning hands is 45.45% on 9-6 Jacks or Better and 45.51% on 8-5 Bonus Poker.
since both games pay for two-pair why is there a difference in "win frequency"??
It's the typical play on words by people who want to believe they're math geniuses. 99.5% vs. 99.1% is all this is about, but that tells nothing about job being a far inferior game. If you read vpFree then you'll see how brainwashed all the minions are about how fabulous 9/6 job is. Most of the time these idiots only care about how many points they can get playing it, and what slot card status awaits them after losing half their bankroll.
Fools will be fools.
Put the politics and social commentary aside, Rob. Why does bonus have a higher win frequency that Jacks when both games pay for two pair?
It doesn't Alan, which was my point. The wording is typical nonsense by those who want you to believe your "winning frequency" will be higher because of a slightly higher "theoretical" over an infinite amount of time. You will have more winning casino visits is what they're lying about--but only if you don't play any of my strategies.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
As usual we see Singer has no clue about one of the most simple calculations one could make.
Alan, it has to do with the decisions being made during play. The strategies for the two games are slightly different. When given the exact same hand a different choice will lead to a different frequency of winners. The reason the numbers are so close is there are very few strategy choices that differ. However, there are a couple and that is what leads to the small difference. Since I haven't played either game for years I'd have to look up the specific hands, but you could do that as well.
The thing is Arc, I can't think of a single "hold" difference between Jacks or Better and Bonus, or even Aces and Faces that would create a difference "hit frequency." And if someone could point out what that difference is I would be very appreciative.
Sounds like a question for Bob Dancer. lol
Believe it or not, I agree with Arci. I have seen those figures before and the reasoning, as Arci says, is strategy based. I also don't recall the specifics. I know in Bonus I keep 2 pair even if one is aces so that isn't it.
Regnis... I am drawing a blank. The only difference in a hold/draw situation might be with a flush. But you are going to hold two pair in both games, three of a kind in both games, a straight in both games, and four to the royal in both games, and so forth. The only difference might be with a flush draw... but what could it be?
Woodman22... thank you for joining us!
That's total nonsense. Just because you're dealt a hand that you might make a different hold on in job vs. BP, that doesn't at all mean you will see more winning hands in either game. This is why when players attempt to pretend they have all the math knowledge over any casino, they lose every time. And it's why meaningless catch phrases such as "winning frequency" only serve to disrupt a player's thinking--even though it makes for good down-time filler for the geeks.
Since we're not gonna have Dancer on this thread, I figured he probably had written something on the subject. If I can figure out how to put the link here, this might explain.
http://www.casinogaming.com/columnis...005/1129.html#
Honestly, it is beyond me. I don't know if an AP like Arci goes this far (or would if he played those games), but not worth it to me.
Thanks for the link regnis--I remember the article well.Originally Posted by regnis
The question would be if DANCER does all those little things he writes about regarding penalty cards and very slight hold differences. The answer is undoubtedly NO. These are the type of things he gets from books and transfers the ideas to his columns. It all makes theoretical mathematical sense of course. But no one would or could ever duplicate such a process in a casino. No one. But this is nothing new. He's regularly made up stories and characters over the years.
That article brought a few things to mind. One is in his mention of "Skip Hughes, vp author". It wasn't long after this that Skip Hughes went broke from chasing AP theory, moved out of LV and back with relatives in Santa Monica, then had to suffer the indignation of Jean Scott taking up a public "let's rally round and help the failed advantage player" collection.
Next, notice Bob's picture....same one he uses today, and the same one he used in 1997. Have you seen what he REALLY looks like today? He has a smart publicist.
Then, I'll always remember how he said that BP has a very difficult strategy--even harder than DBP or DDBP. Well, I've learned all three from his software!...and there's absolutely no way BP is tougher than those other games, and in fact, it's only slightly more involved than job.
Finally, did you see his by-line: Author of Sex, Lies, and Video Poker? Came back to bite him in the ass!
Thanks for the link, regnis. As I suspected the difference is in the holds on flush draws. I have a hard-enough time making flushes when I have a four flusher in either game.
Another totally hilarious response from speedo. Let's take an example everyone knows. When playing games like DDB one of the last strategy options is an inside straight. You don't hit many so the frequency of total wins will go down by going for it. Naturally, the frequency of straights will go up.Originally Posted by Rob.Singer
Once again Singer demonstrates he is completely out of his league when dealing with video poker math.
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