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[kewlJ]

I think it is clear to everyone with a functioning brain that Rob does NOT have a Newell, never had a Newell, and has made some weak but very unconvincing attempts to keep the lie going. (The pics of him in a showroom Newell are hilarious, as is the fake for-sale ad.)

MaxPen had a very reasonable offer on the table -- and one which was free money for Rob, if he really had a Newell. His demands that Max provide his ID in advance are BS. Max, who is an anonymous person here, would be giving up his identity, and then Rob could simply make an excuse as to why they're not meeting. ("I had my people check you out, and you're dangerous. Not meeting you, sorry!")

The whole thing about needing to see Max's ID prior to meeting fails the logic test. If he were really scared of Max (which I doubt he was -- other than scared of forum humiliation), he could have offered to meet him in the parking lot of a police station. It's not like Max was demanding to take a ride in the Newell with him. There's no reason to need ID when meeting someone in a public place in broad daylight.

I compare this to when I sell old cars after buying a new one. I don't do dealer trade-ins or sell to used car dealerships, because you get terrible value. I sell private party, which does require meeting up with strangers and taking a ride with them. While the greater risk is on their end (because they're bringing cash, and I'm only bringing a vehicle which could be tracked), I still make them show me ID -- but only before we get in the car together. I would take a picture of their ID and send it to my girlfriend, in case something happened to me. However, to simply meet, I did not require any ID, because we'd be meeting in a public place, and I would have no reason to fear anything bad happening.

It is very clear to me that Rob never made big money through the double-up bug. If he did exploit that bug, he did so for relatively small money -- or at best he won via that bug, and then blew the money gambling later. Whatever the case, Rob never accumulated any real money assets via gambling, or otherwise he would have shown us by now. It's pretty obvious that all of Rob Singer's controversial stories are complete bullshit. Anyone who believes him at this point is either stupid or trolling. I actually believe coach belly is just a troll, and doesn't believe a word of what he writes about Rob.

Some people ask me why I don't ban Rob. I have stated time and time again that he's just a clown who enjoys aggravating people on forums. He isn't dangerous, isn't trying to sell anything, and isn't trying to scam anyone. He just enjoys telling tall tales and loves attention.

People ask me how I could allow someone like Rob to "mislead" people here. I counter that I've never seen any gullible people here believe Rob. His only defenders are longtime trolls and weirdos. And if you're so gullible that Rob is going to lead you down a path of -EV compulsive gambling, I can't help you. If that's the case, you have a lot bigger problems than this forum.

Now, if Rob were trying to sell a bunk gambling system (like Christopher Mitchell), I'd have put a stop to that ages ago. But he's not. He just tells tales and argues with people.

Anyway, I think this is all very clear, and Max proved what he set out to prove.

[redietz]

Singer is moaning and groaning that I never post plays. And really, why would I? What would my motivation be?

But I just realized that I posted an entire week of plays in the sports betting forum here, all of which were in the "Strange Week Continued" thread.

I bet more that week than I have any week in the last two years, and the plays were all pretty much reported in real time as I made them. They were all middle shots, and anyone who did what I suggested made money.

I thought I had posted that thread at WoV, so it slipped my mind when Rob went off the rails.

Anyway, the plays are there in black and white. Most sports gamblers will understand what I was doing, which required an anticipation of line moves. I tend to get those kinds of moves correct a high percentage of the time. That particular week, I anticipated all seven line moves correctly.

Other than Boz and MidWest Player, I'm not sure if many of the locals here would easily follow what I was doing, but it really was very basic and not complicated.


https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...Week-Continued

[Rob.Singer]

How special. Kew's left speechless, and instead of facing the facts in Max's own thread that actually begins with him saying he's anxiously waiting to come over here to view the Newell, kew again posts one of Druff's envy-equalizing contributions. A "fake ad"? I remember that claim, but gee, anyone who went to RV Trader saw it! What's fake was Dan and his BS, obviously.

I believe the point is made. I realize it makes a group of you uncomfortable when you get caught constantly lying about the Newell. I mean, when all kew can do is post the same old blathering opinion from someone else for the hundredth time instead of facing the actual evidence, nothing else needs to be spoken. Either way, I'll leave it be now that you all get it. I do understand some will still post more lies in order to be able to cope. So be it.

Redeitz, if you feel the need to go thru so much trouble just to save face over being a coward, just think how much easier it would be to just do this exercise. But you won't, I know. All we can look forward to is more nonsense about Tipsters and Gypsters, Dappers and Crappers, and what not. Show us YOUR stuff and not the slope's stuff. And post them BEFORE the games are played. Pretty simple for a "professional right?

[kewlJ]

I think it is clear to everyone with a functioning brain that Rob does NOT have a Newell, never had a Newell, and has made some weak but very unconvincing attempts to keep the lie going. ...

... It's pretty obvious that all of Rob Singer's controversial stories are complete bullshit. Anyone who believes him at this point is either stupid or trolling.

Singer, you are trying to re-write history. I will repost this every single time you continue to try. I might even make it my signature.

[kewlJ]

Now all I have to do is smile when you attempt to re-write history.

[coach belly]

the slope's stuff.

the format each week is that you pick six games against the spread and rank them from one to six. If your top game wins, you get six points and so on down to your sixth game gets one point. You can earn 21 points a week.

My girlfriend won it with a score of 172...two guys finished tied for second with 171 points.

three people cracking 62.6% over the course of 273 points is really something

Coach, if you send me your address, I'll ship you a nice calculator for Christmas.

As it turns out, I have a calculator on my phone.

Calculations reveal that a player can go 34-44 and earn 175 points in that contest.

That's a 43.6% winning percentage.

Looks like some serious handicapping to me.

To me, it looks like that's not a serious contest.

People were signing up for LineMasters and just putting in random picks so they could see who she took each week .

Like I said...not a serious contest.

How much did she win for finishing 10 games under .500?

[redietz]

My girlfriend won it with a score of 172...two guys finished tied for second with 171 points.

three people cracking 62.6% over the course of 273 points is really something

Coach, if you send me your address, I'll ship you a nice calculator for Christmas.

As it turns out, I have a calculator on my phone.

Calculations reveal that a player can go 34-44 and earn 175 points in that contest.

That's a 43.6% winning percentage.

Looks like some serious handicapping to me.

To me, it looks like that's not a serious contest.

People were signing up for LineMasters and just putting in random picks so they could see who she took each week .

Like I said...not a serious contest.

How much did she win for finishing 10 games under .500?

That's undoubtedly how it played out, coach.

Now, care to report what the odds are against somebody winning 63% of points while winning 44% of games? How many standard deviations is that off chance?

Sports betting is a little more sophisticated than you imagine, coach. Points/units are considered money measures. ROR is a standard evaluation. Maybe you knew all that and thought you were tweaking me.

I love you, man. You really don't get it. I want you to keep doing what you do.

Now, if you wanted to know what her game record was, you could have just asked, as that's listed on the site. Going back years. But you'll have to ask nicely. You seem to think there's some hidden negative because I didn't mention a game record when winning was based on points. But I'd never do that, coach. I'd wait for you to play gotcha.

LOL. I'll double check her game record, just for you, coach. Do you really believe anyone could pull off that 44% thing while racking up 175 points. Do you understand how likely that is, coach?



Coach, you like to focus on teeny probabilities, which is why you've gotten your (undoubtedly very sexy) ass kicked gambling all these years. No offense intended.

I love you, man. You're the gift that keeps giving.

[coach belly]

Now, if you wanted to know what her game record was, you could have just asked, as that's listed on the site.

I'll look it up if you provide the link. I googled it and couldn't find anything.

I just didn't get around to asking that, I expected you to provide it in your reporting.

Sports betting is a little more sophisticated than you imagine, coach. Points/units are considered money measures. ROR is a standard evaluation.

What are you saying, that a player can have a losing game record and still profit, as long as they win enough of the bigger bets?

When calculating game record winning percentage, is each unit bet considered a separate game?

[coach belly]

care to report what the odds are against somebody winning 63% of points while winning 44% of games? How many standard deviations is that off chance?

My understanding is that the figures you seek above are based on random events.

Are your sports betting probabilities based on randomness?

[Rob.Singer]

I think it is clear to everyone with a functioning brain that Rob does NOT have a Newell, never had a Newell, and has made some weak but very unconvincing attempts to keep the lie going. ...

... It's pretty obvious that all of Rob Singer's controversial stories are complete bullshit. Anyone who believes him at this point is either stupid or trolling.

Singer, you are trying to re-write history. I will repost this every single time you continue to try. I might even make it my signature.

This only shows how dumb you are kew, as if people don't already know.

You obviously already went back and re-read the actual history, which is why you're beside yourself and unable to do anything but lie that the history of this just cannot be. I re-wrote nothing, unless you now think Dan has helped me change max's thread. So let's get this down: you know what the factual history reads, so you counter it with someone's opinion? Do you know how stupid you look?

Sure this is very hard for a weak person such as you to take. Plus you're one of the fools who wimped out. But remember, others have re-read that thread and are very aware of what happened. And because being perceived as a big deal on forums is of the utmost importance to you, when you look as desperate as this, it wouldn't surprise anybody if Eli came for you tonight.

Rest easy, and thank you. You helped prove my point a dozen times over.

It's all been said.

[mickeycrimm]

Singer is moaning and groaning that I never post plays. And really, why would I? What would my motivation be?

But I just realized that I posted an entire week of plays in the sports betting forum here, all of which were in the "Strange Week Continued" thread.

I bet more that week than I have any week in the last two years, and the plays were all pretty much reported in real time as I made them. They were all middle shots, and anyone who did what I suggested made money.

I thought I had posted that thread at WoV, so it slipped my mind when Rob went off the rails.

Anyway, the plays are there in black and white. Most sports gamblers will understand what I was doing, which required an anticipation of line moves. I tend to get those kinds of moves correct a high percentage of the time. That particular week, I anticipated all seven line moves correctly.

Other than Boz and MidWest Player, I'm not sure if many of the locals here would easily follow what I was doing, but it really was very basic and not complicated.


https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...Week-Continued

I read the thread. You claimed to have made 7 middles but posted only 2 of them before the games started.

[redietz]

Singer is moaning and groaning that I never post plays. And really, why would I? What would my motivation be?

But I just realized that I posted an entire week of plays in the sports betting forum here, all of which were in the "Strange Week Continued" thread.

I bet more that week than I have any week in the last two years, and the plays were all pretty much reported in real time as I made them. They were all middle shots, and anyone who did what I suggested made money.

I thought I had posted that thread at WoV, so it slipped my mind when Rob went off the rails.

Anyway, the plays are there in black and white. Most sports gamblers will understand what I was doing, which required an anticipation of line moves. I tend to get those kinds of moves correct a high percentage of the time. That particular week, I anticipated all seven line moves correctly.

Other than Boz and MidWest Player, I'm not sure if many of the locals here would easily follow what I was doing, but it really was very basic and not complicated.


https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...Week-Continued

I read the thread. You claimed to have made 7 middles but posted only 2 plays before the games started.

So much for objectivity.

No, mickey, I SHOT for seven middles and hit one. Jesus, if I made seven middles, it would have been the greatest handicapping feat of all time. The one I hit, I clearly laid out in advance. That thread, by the way, does not contain the entire discussion, as is evident in the first post. It's a continuation of another thread. And I laid it out more clearly at WoV.

So when someone announces that they've taken all chalk and says all the lines have to move, that means the buybacks are on the underdogs. That's self evident. You don't bet chalk and then come back hedging on chalk. Thus, announcing that you've taken chalk means (for the reader) follow the line and buy it back when optimal, usually at the end (barring injury, covid, or massive dog line move). None of the games had injury, covid, or massive dog line moves, so what you should do was evident. I also announced that they were asymmetric middle shots with the bias to the opening wager, so the buyback was going to be implicitly less than than the opening wager.

In that thread, I didn't lay out in real time three of the games, which resulted in a net of about a quarter unit. I reported after the fact on the three I took a shot at, and -- if you understand what was happening -- they were the worst of the bunch in terms of anticipating line moves. The lines didn't move as much as expected. They were busts, in other words, as middle shots, although I made a quarter unit on them. So I reported the least impressive of what I did after the fact in that thread. Now why would I do that? Because it's football season and I'm busy. I probably reported those in real time at WoV, but I don't remember. You understand, don't you, that reporting the least impressive results after the fact was something I did not have to do?

The NFL middle hit was in real time. The Michigan and Ohio State were laid out clearly. I reported what I did with App State, and anyone could have done the App State bet in real time, as that line didn't move much. The numbers peaked for Mich and Ohio State at the end, so even if you didn't get the best numbers laying chalk, as I did on Monday, you still had middle shots. And you still had asymmetric middle shots with the favorite covering, so you didn't lose anything. In fact, you made money.

Anyone who read just that thread as opposed to the previous post and WoV lost out on a quarter unit of the profit. They still hit the Denver/Cleveland middle and made money.

I guess you had two ways to go on this, and you chose to write what you did.

So tell me, mickey, what would your response to Rob's Post #2 in the LineMaster Results thread be? You still haven't answered that.

And while you're verifying things, let's hear what you think about Rob claiming that gambling writers never got advances for a first book. I would think you'd be all over blatant lying like that.

It's reassuring that you and I are of the age and attitude to not give a damn if we see another sunrise. Neither of us is hard to find.

[mickeycrimm]

Singer is moaning and groaning that I never post plays. And really, why would I? What would my motivation be?

But I just realized that I posted an entire week of plays in the sports betting forum here, all of which were in the "Strange Week Continued" thread.

I bet more that week than I have any week in the last two years, and the plays were all pretty much reported in real time as I made them. They were all middle shots, and anyone who did what I suggested made money.

I thought I had posted that thread at WoV, so it slipped my mind when Rob went off the rails.

Anyway, the plays are there in black and white. Most sports gamblers will understand what I was doing, which required an anticipation of line moves. I tend to get those kinds of moves correct a high percentage of the time. That particular week, I anticipated all seven line moves correctly.

Other than Boz and MidWest Player, I'm not sure if many of the locals here would easily follow what I was doing, but it really was very basic and not complicated.


https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...Week-Continued

I read the thread. You claimed to have made 7 middles but posted only 2 plays before the games started.

So much for objectivity.

No, mickey, I SHOT for seven middles and hit one. Jesus, if I made seven middles, it would have been the greatest handicapping feat of all time. The one I hit, I clearly laid out in advance. That thread, by the way, does not contain the entire discussion, as is evident in the first post. It's a continuation of another thread. And I laid it out more clearly at WoV.

So when someone announces that they've taken all chalk and says all the lines have to move, that means the buybacks are on the underdogs. That's self evident. You don't bet chalk and then come back hedging on chalk. Thus, announcing that you've taken chalk means (for the reader) follow the line and buy it back when optimal, usually at the end (barring injury, covid, or massive dog line move). None of the games had injury, covid, or massive dog line moves, so what you should do was evident. I also announced that they were asymmetric middle shots with the bias to the opening wager, so the buyback was going to be implicitly less than than the opening wager.

In that thread, I didn't lay out in real time three of the games, which resulted in a net of about a quarter unit. I reported after the fact on the three I took a shot at, and -- if you understand what was happening -- they were the worst of the bunch in terms of anticipating line moves. The lines didn't move as much as expected. They were busts, in other words, as middle shots, although I made a quarter unit on them. So I reported the least impressive of what I did after the fact in that thread. Now why would I do that? Because it's football season and I'm busy. I probably reported those in real time at WoV, but I don't remember. You understand, don't you, that reporting the least impressive results after the fact was something I did not have to do?

The NFL middle hit was in real time. The Michigan and Ohio State were laid out clearly. I reported what I did with App State, and anyone could have done the App State bet in real time, as that line didn't move much. The numbers peaked for Mich and Ohio State at the end, so even if you didn't get the best numbers laying chalk, as I did on Monday, you still had middle shots. And you still had asymmetric middle shots with the favorite covering, so you didn't lose anything. In fact, you made money.

Anyone who read just that thread as opposed to the previous post and WoV lost out on a quarter unit of the profit. They still hit the Denver/Cleveland middle and made money.

I guess you had two ways to go on this, and you chose to write what you did.

So tell me, mickey, what would your response to Rob's Post #2 in the LineMaster Results thread be? You still haven't answered that.

And while you're verifying things, let's hear what you think about Rob claiming that gambling writers never got advances for a first book. I would think you'd be all over blatant lying like that.

It's reassuring that you and I are of the age and attitude to not give a damn if we see another sunrise. Neither of us is hard to find.

I already answered your question about what my response would be if I were you. Here it is again. He called you weird. If I were you my response would be "Yes, I'm somewhat weird." For his question about evidence, if I were you I would say "No evidence, it was a private affair." For his question about how your wife died my response, if I were you would be "She was a good ole girl. To bad I had to shoot her."

As for Rob saying gambling writers don't get advances for books. I think it is pretty much true. Sure, you can always find some exceptions.

You and KJ have been in a troll war with Rob for quite some time. Even when Rob went to South Dakota and didn't post for a couple months at a time you and KJ continued to hammer him in his abscense. That tells me YOU WANT A TROLL WAR WITH ROB. You can't leave it alone. You are allied with KJ and maxpunk and your silence was golden when they smeared me over my opinion on the DUB. Not once did you say "Hey, that's his opinion. No big deal." But don't think twice it's alright.

[The Boz]

I just don’t understand why people have to be “allies” with others all the time. There isn’t a one of us who haven’t given others shit over the years based on the issue at hand. I’ve given RED as much grief over the years on his liberal views and made it personal many times. But it never changed my thoughts on him as a Sports Handicapper because I would look like an idiot if I tried to deny what he does. No different with KJ, I called the guy a fag and worse many times and disagree with how he seems to enjoy these fights at times when common sense says to walk away. To this day I’ll never understand why he engages some of these clowns. But I respect what he does for a living. And know he’s one of the best out there at it, even if he won’t admit it.

The Singer I know from a brief personal interaction is someone I would have no problem being friendly with in my world. The guy worked hard and is enjoying his retirement and as far as I can tell isn’t hurting for cash regardless of what others claim. As for the other stuff it’s obvious he goes overboard with his claims and defends himself to the end. And takes it may too personally when challenged to the point of insults that aren’t called for. And they should be beneath him in my opinion.

I don’t think I ever said a negative thing about Mickey and never will based on how he has treated me over the years when he had no reason to. The drinking Mick and the 4+ years sober Mick have always been the same in my mind, the guy says what he thinks but always has facts behind what he posts when it comes to gambling. The other stuff is what we all have done.

Anyways I could go on all night about others but what the fuck does my opinion matter. But in the immortal words of Rodney King…if we all got along these forums would kind of suck. But we can try occasionally can’t we?

[MaxPen]

But we can try occasionally can’t we?

NOPE

[Mission146]

Hey kewlJ, thanks for posting that Dan Druff post. I had never read that one. That kind of frames the whole thing. I'll argue the same thing with Dan that I argue with Mission. They tend to treat scamming to make money differently than scamming to make a reputation. My point is that most resources in life are non-material -- reputation, relationships, prestige, perceived expertise, and so on. Scamming people about one's expertise, skills, and knowledge is often worse than just picking pockets, is my point.

I've already responded to this characterization of my opinion system on this, at length, if you want to go back and we can have that discussion. I don't think, "Scamming to make a reputation," does anything that actually is to the detriment of another person until such time that it is monetized. People will read and believe what they want to believe, but as long as no money changes hands, then I think people are free to say whatever they want to. If people are, 'Scamming,' their way into reputation with a bunch of internet randoms, then I feel almost as badly for the, 'Scammer,' as the person being, 'Scammed.'

What Rob is doing, at this point, is simply trolling...whether he did the DUB or not. He's actually doing it extremely well, in either case. Are we counting into the decades yet that this has been going on?

[Mission146]

Theory: Comred has an issue to pick with Mission position mostly because he’s a paid writer who probably wasn’t a “journalism major.”

Mcap, you're dead on, except for the fact that I'd recommend Mission in a heartbeat for any writing gig I saw become available. Given that sports gambling is exploding, I'm likely to see quite a few of those opening up. Mission would be a good "math guy," clearly explaining aspects of math to sports gamblers. For example, regarding a topic recently discussed, he'd probably do a nice job explaining why civilians making futures wagers is a "bad bet" most of the time.

I'd also recommend him as a fact checker for when academics do field work and aren't terribly familiar with the math of certain gambling ventures.

So yeah, other than that, you're correct.

For the record, I was a journalism major for two years before switching to English writing option at Penn State. Why would I be upset with Mission being a paid writer? That's the best kind! I have had paying gigs at a few newspapers, both writing and photography. A weekly newspaper column where I killed it versus the spread helped me launch Integrity Sports when I was 21.

That's nice of you to say. I've not really gotten into heavy sports betting math; I'm mostly about working the online promotions in a way that absolutely guarantees profit and getting out. That said, I'm sure I can handle it with some of the Keno games that I have successfully analyzed...it definitely couldn't be more difficult than a few of those.

In any event, my degree is in Economics, but I learned most of my mathematical approaches AFTER college...mainly by reading how other people do things and plucking the concepts that I like the best from other peoples' approaches. I also tend to gravitate towards approaches where it's easier to explain what I am doing such that someone else can repeat the method for a similar type of problem.

[Mission146]

I don't particularly care if Rob did it.

What fascinates me is how much Rob is emotionally invested. Everyone with half a brain has pretty much figured out the Newell was a joke but was it a joke? Was that actually Rob's sincere attempt at trying to be someone? Given his pages long defensive explanations one really starts to realize Rob wasn't joking with the Newell.

Best just let the old man save face.

Nice Newell, Rob. Nice. Real nice.

How much ROB is emotionally invested!!?? That's what fascinates you about this?

[Mission146]

And can't you just PICTURE him whacking off his little penis every time he watches my videos!

So you want to talk about my sex life hun? I mean all you guys do is fantasize about me and gay sex. I am happy to oblige. Don't blame me, it is you closeted homophobic fags that always bring up what is constantly on your mind.

So my boyfriend sucks dick like there is no tomorrow. He is practically a human Hoover. And I love getting head so we are a good match. He gives me head every night before bed. I am not always great in the stamina department. After a couple minutes of licking my cock and balls, when he 'hoovers down on me" I usually squirt within a couple minutes. And I squirt alot! I am usually good after 1 time and ready for bed, but occasionally, he wants more. What I lack in stamina I make up for in being able to go again, in short order.

As much as I enjoy bedtime head, my favorite is definitely a morning wake up blow job. Unfortunately the boyfriend works early in the morning so we aren't on compatible schedules most days but a couple times week....wow, what a way to start the day!

I like to suck dick too. Not as much as the boyfiend but when the mood strikes. I am pretty good too I think. Never had any complaints. The bigfriend's dick is pretty thick. Not paticularly big but thick. Sometimes after a few minutes my jaw gets tired and I am like enough already. But I get the job done.

So you see Rob, I get plenty of head and there really is no time or need for any jerking off.

Anything else you want to talk about?

Please tell me he brushes his teeth before the morning one, else I will probably vomit all over the keyboard.

[Ozzy]

Anyways I could go on all night about others but what the fuck does my opinion matter. But in the immortal words of Rodney King…if we all got along these forums would kind of suck. But we can try occasionally can’t we?

Your opinion does matter, the floor is yours Boz.