Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post

They liberated themselves from their own control, then. Besides that, it's pretty easy to give them credit when nearly 100% of Western society were some form of Christians or another, at a time. Others would have faced the threat of actual persecution---not just somebody speaking ill of the church.

Christianity was used to defend the institution of slavery!!! Here are some Jefferson Davis quotes:



My own convictions as to negro slavery are strong. It has its evils and abuses...We recognize the negro as God and God's Book and God's Laws, in nature, tell us to recognize him - our inferior, fitted expressly for servitude...You cannot transform the negro into anything one-tenth as useful or as good as what slavery enables them to be.
If slavery be a sin, it is not yours. It does not rest on your action for its origin, on your consent for its existence. It is a common law right to property in the service of man; its origin was Divine decree.
Nothing fills me with deeper sadness than to see a Southerner apologizing for the defense we made of our inheritance.
Let the gentleman go to Revelation to learn the decree of God - let him go to the Bible. . . . I said that slavery was sanctioned in the Bible, authorized, regulated, and recognized from Genesis to Revelation. . . . Slavery existed then in the earliest ages, and among the chosen people of God; and in Revelation we are told that it shall exist till the end of time shall come. You find it in the Old and New Testaments - in the prophecies, psalms, and the epistles of Paul; you find it recognized - sanctioned everywhere.
Is that how one leads the fight against racism for hundreds of years?

Again, when almost everyone in a country is some kind of Christian (at the time), then that necessitates that most good things will have been done, in those times, by Christians. That's like saying that humans are responsible for the good things that humans have done.

You seem to know a good bit about Thomas Jefferson, perhaps you can enlighten yourself as to more by checking out the Jefferson Bible.
The rhetoric of Christian bashers is not worth reading. Anyone can cherry pick and use it to bolster their argument. My argument is not that Christians are infallible. All humans are fallible. My argument is Christians built the free world as we know it today. Christians built an economic engine such as the world has never seen. And have freely shared that wealth with the less fortunate, not only here but with the rest of the world.

You concentrate on all the human failings of Christians. I concentrate on all the good they have done. I admit Christian failings. You ignore Christians successes for the world like its the plague.

Christians have done far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far more good for the world than evil. Nothing athiests say can ever change that.

Now, let's talk about the probably 50,000,000 souls that were tortured, imprisoned or killed by marxist/athiests in just the 20th century.