My apologies to Rob Singer

[Ozzy]

Very surprising to see the Marathon Man use underhanded tactics like editing someone's post. I noticed the MickeyCrimm discrepancy right away. You should know better 146, being the 6th worst mod in forum history and all !

You've got the wrong guy. I did not edit anyone's post.

Apologies, my bad. Your still 6th worst mod in forum history though

[Mission146]

Before making blanket statements about the Chinese or the Christians, I think it might be wise to consider that technology drives the wagons. And luck has as much to do with who looks good in retrospect as alleged styles of human organization.

As to mickey's 50 million died from "A," it's also true that an estimated 50 million plus Native Americans died from pandemics associated with European contact. So there's that. The Christians came, saw, and were responsible for 50 million deaths. Was Christianity to blame for that per se? Depends on how you want to define cause and effect, I suppose. At some point, the Europeans knew their diseases were killing the Native Americans. It's a question of whether the leaders cared enough to take action. The argument can be made that it was a kind of American gulag -- except disease, not arms, drove the Native Americans to their end.

Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel, a Pulitzer winning book, is a great place to start exploring these questions.

Would you be referring to the smallpox that was mostly unintentionally spread, but also occasionally used as one of the first examples of biological warfare? One such example, of course, being Lord Jeffrey Amherst who...that's right, motherfuckers...has an American college named after him. He's one of the few people, in fact, who has been definitively proven to have promoted this form of biological warfare.

In any event, Christians tend not to be too concerned with communicable diseases and prefer denying their existence---particularly Evangelicals and even to this day, so maybe should give a partial pass for that.

[Mission146]

Very surprising to see the Marathon Man use underhanded tactics like editing someone's post. I noticed the MickeyCrimm discrepancy right away. You should know better 146, being the 6th worst mod in forum history and all !

You've got the wrong guy. I did not edit anyone's post.

Apologies, my bad. Your still 6th worst mod in forum history though

I think you're overrating me.

[Ozzy]

You've got the wrong guy. I did not edit anyone's post.

Apologies, my bad. Your still 6th worst mod in forum history though

I think you're overrating me.

Your a continent ahead of your buddy Rusty Shackleford, a state ahead of friend BBB, a country mile ahead of Drunk Dear and definitely decimating ( from what I hear) from the 2 weirdo hicks Flash Gordon Lightfoot and Herr Dieter. By the way Flash Gordon your an absolute pussy for signing up here without posting !

[Mission146]

You have to think Wizard is a better Administrator than BBB---the latter has tried to shut down gambling-related discussions on a gambling forum. I'm not even talking about Betting Systems, or anything like that, but actually trying to shutdown AP-related discussions.

Granted, some of the stuff might have been better left unsaid, but that should be up to the person saying it as long as what they are saying is generally correct. What possible rule could talking about something related to Advantage Play, and also based in fact, possibly violate?

[Ozzy]

You have to think Wizard is a better Administrator than BBB---the latter has tried to shut down gambling-related discussions on a gambling forum. I'm not even talking about Betting Systems, or anything like that, but actually trying to shutdown AP-related discussions.

Granted, some of the stuff might have been better left unsaid, but that should be up to the person saying it as long as what they are saying is generally correct. What possible rule could talking about something related to Advantage Play, and also based in fact, possibly violate?

They are both extremely putrid and have no business moderating forums. Rusty is in a league of his own. Anyone who's not biased( looking at you Mission, AlexW and the long lost Poker Grinder can see he's not fit for the task.

[Mission146]

I had no problem being an Administrator under Wizard. I'll admit that he was quick to act on things said about him or against people who he didn't like, but he was fully within his rights to do that, "Mike's house, Mike's rules."

If I had my own site, people could come at me as hard as they wanted as long as they were not Doxxing me. I certainly don't participate here because I'm afraid of people coming after me. That said, you might see some arbitrary banning coming out of me on the grounds of my thinking that a particular person is either excessively annoying or excessively stupid.

[Ozzy]

I had no problem being an Administrator under Wizard. I'll admit that he was quick to act on things said about him or against people who he didn't like, but he was fully within his rights to do that, "Mike's house, Mike's rules."

If I had my own site, people could come at me as hard as they wanted as long as they were not Doxxing me. I certainly don't participate here because I'm afraid of people coming after me. That said, you might see some arbitrary banning coming out of me on the grounds of my thinking that a particular person is either excessively annoying or excessively stupid.

Absolutely hilarious timing for you to use " Mike's house his rules" at this particular moment. There were/are 3 guys who used that term the most over at Rusty's. What do you know he's currently lurking in house ROTFLMFAO !!!

[monet]

Welcome back PokerGrinder, long time no see ROTFLMFAO !!

lol You beat me to it!
Damn, I was going to mention it to you just now.
Depressing.

[Ozzy]

Welcome back PokerGrinder, long time no see ROTFLMFAO !!

lol You beat me to it!
Damn, I was going to mention it to you just now.
Depressing.

LOL speaking of timing in my prior post, could this have something to do with Tusha ? He's currently slipped to 6th in the Fan Club (only due to inactivity) could he be attempting to weasel his way back into the Top 5 ?

[Ozzy]

Apologies, my bad. Your still 6th worst mod in forum history though

I think you're overrating me.

Your a continent ahead of your buddy Rusty Shackleford, a state ahead of friend BBB, a country mile ahead of Drunk Dear and definitely decimating ( from what I hear) from the 2 weirdo hicks Flash Gordon Lightfoot and Herr Dieter. By the way Flash Gordon your an absolute pussy for signing up here without posting !

To give Drunk Dear a micro shred of credit. For the right price he's fair value to a forum. The current monetary agreement currently in place for Dear at Rusty's former and current houses is about what he's worth. SWEET NOTHIN !

[Mission146]

Do you think it would be well-received if I went door-to-door spreading the good word of Agnosticism, or handed out flyers in the malls?

Hear me, hear me, mall shoppers! I am here to spread to you the good word of probable nothingness as well as to inform you that your lives have no inherent meaning! There is probably nothing after this and you will be completely forgotten within a few short generations. But, fear not, for even George Washington himself will be commemorated to nothingness one day when all of humanity inevitably ceases to exist. You are not even a blip on the grand spectrum of things and to assume, if there is even a god who created all of this, that he, she, it or they would care one iota what happens to you, personally, is nothing short of arrogant.

The fundamental concept of the Christian God, particularly as described by the Evangelical faiths, is nothing more than a self-contradiction.

For instance, how could God be all-powerful and all-knowing, and yet, have given humans free will? It's simply not possible. Prior to the creation of a soul and putting that soul into a person, by definition, he knew what the person was going to do in their lives. Is that person destined to NOT spend eternity in your supposed Heaven? You'd have to ask God. God knew the answer prior to the person even being born.

How could an all-loving God create souls and put them in people who he not only sets up to fail, but worse than that, knows are going to fail before ever giving them life in the first place?

That's right, motherfuckers, humans cannot have free will and God be all-knowing at the same time. Given an all-knowing and all-powerful God who created the humans, there can exist no autonomy, nay, humans would be but little wind-up toys executing a program. Glorified automatons.

Go out and spread kindness to people not out of fear of punishment or desire for reward, but because being kind is the right thing to do! Also, feel free to take all the pride in the world when you commit good acts, if you want to, and do not share any of the glory of your acts with a fucking fairy tale anymore! You are personally responsible for everything that you do, whether it be good or bad, any god would have no hand in that whatsoever.

Break the chains that bind you to the church and be intellectual slaves no longer! You can begin to be intellectually strong by accepting that your life, as an individual, is of very little relevance and that there is probably nothing after this. There are likely no grand implications. As an individual, you do not matter very much---and given enough time, nobody will matter as there will be nobody and nothing left that will ever remember any of us.

In the Universal sense, we are barely better than nothing. Our entire existence as a civilization, and as a species, will be but a rounding error in the cosmos that was mostly irrelevant to the Universe anyway...which itself is almost certainly non-sentient, so wouldn't care even if we were relevant. Just as Mars is indifferent to whether or not we ever inhabit it, the Universe is indifferent to not only your existence, but to that of all humanity.

But, with that said, do not fear death or the nothingness that probably comes after. You won't actually be cognizant of it, for one thing, because there will be no you. Secondly, it's inevitable anyway, so there's no need to cause yourself additional suffering by fearing or being apprehensive about that which is inevitable.

If your God is as just as you claim, then you will receive the appropriate rewards based on your actions as a person, not whether or not you believed in God. What kind of God would care about who does or does not believe in him? Would God really have such a massive ego or massive inferiority complex? It would be like caring what my goldfish's opinion of me is.

[Ozzy]

I had no problem being an Administrator under Wizard. I'll admit that he was quick to act on things said about him or against people who he didn't like, but he was fully within his rights to do that, "Mike's house, Mike's rules."

If I had my own site, people could come at me as hard as they wanted as long as they were not Doxxing me. I certainly don't participate here because I'm afraid of people coming after me. That said, you might see some arbitrary banning coming out of me on the grounds of my thinking that a particular person is either excessively annoying or excessively stupid.

That's what I like about you Marathon Man, your thick skinned and fit very well in this environment

[dannyj]

Sure they do.

They've invested a lot of money into the infrastructure of Africa, for example, and are quite generous with doling out covid vaccine.

Their civilization was much more advanced than that of the Westrern Christian Civilizations of Marco Polo's era; they gave the Christians gunpowder, and with it they ascended.

Don't think for one minute that the countries and continents which the Christians conquered welcomed their presence; they did not and do not.

An investment is quite different than freely sharing their wealth. And, as Mickey stated they have an ulterior motive in Africa and elsewhere and it's not altruistic.

China got their economic engine, as you say, jump started by being admitted into the WTO about 20 years ago. We can all thank Bill Clinton for leading that charge and someday surpassing the US as the world power.

Don't think for one minute that Taiwan welcomes China's presence. China has vowed to take back by force if necessary.

[dannyj]

Sure they do.

They've invested a lot of money into the infrastructure of Africa, for example, and are quite generous with doling out covid vaccine.

This one is hilarious.

They unleash this shit on the world, but at least they're generous in doling out the vaccine.


When is the US and the rest of the world going to demand reparations from China like they did Germany after WW's 1&2?

Answer: Never.

[Rob.Singer]

A religious argument arguing against Christianity. Has there ever been a white trash-won argument on this?

This country's biggest mistake ever was boating all those mandingos over here. If their boats all sunk or they just stayed in their shantytowns, we wouldn't have lost hundreds of thousands of good Americans on both sides in the shameful Civil War. And there would be no need for this stupid Black Lives Matter when in fact, most of them really don't. Just check out inner city crime stats and the prisons populations.

When you're right, you're right.

[dannyj]

A religious argument arguing against Christianity. Has there ever been a white trash-won argument on this?

This country's biggest mistake ever was boating all those mandingos over here. If their boats all sunk or they just stayed in their shantytowns, we wouldn't have lost hundreds of thousands of good Americans on both sides in the shameful Civil War. And there would be no need for this stupid Black Lives Matter when in fact, most of them really don't. Just check out inner city crime stats and the prisons populations.

When you're right, you're right.

We're charged with spreading the word and I deeply admire those who do, although admittedly, I'm pretty shitty about it.

I vaguely remember a movie from the mid 70's, Mandingo. Starring heavyweight champion Ken Norton. A topic for another thread I guess.

[mickeycrimm]

Before making blanket statements about the Chinese or the Christians, I think it might be wise to consider that technology drives the wagons. And luck has as much to do with who looks good in retrospect as alleged styles of human organization.

As to mickey's 50 million died from "A," it's also true that an estimated 50 million plus Native Americans died from pandemics associated with European contact. So there's that. The Christians came, saw, and were responsible for 50 million deaths. Was Christianity to blame for that per se? Depends on how you want to define cause and effect, I suppose. At some point, the Europeans knew their diseases were killing the Native Americans. It's a question of whether the leaders cared enough to take action. The argument can be made that it was a kind of American gulag -- except disease, not arms, drove the Native Americans to their end.

Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel, a Pulitzer winning book, is a great place to start exploring these questions.

Would you be referring to the smallpox that was mostly unintentionally spread, but also occasionally used as one of the first examples of biological warfare? One such example, of course, being Lord Jeffrey Amherst who...that's right, motherfuckers...has an American college named after him. He's one of the few people, in fact, who has been definitively proven to have promoted this form of biological warfare.

In any event, Christians tend not to be too concerned with communicable diseases and prefer denying their existence---particularly Evangelicals and even to this day, so maybe should give a partial pass for that.

Atheists have a penchant for imprisonment, torture and murder of innocents. In the 20th century Soviet and Chi-Comm atheists tortured and killed tens of millions of their people. If Christianity is to be blamed for atrocities then so to must atheism. But are you atheists lobbying for the eradication of atheism like you are Christianity?

[mickeycrimm]

What the hell is Southern Pride? Why would they have pride? They existed as a nation for a few years and LOST their only war quite badly. Every male Confederate soldier should have been executed for treason---no surrender accepted otherwise. They should have let Sherman keep going; he was doing a fabulous job.

Every Union troop should have been executed for invading and making war in territory that didn't belong to them. The southern states legally seceded from the union.

THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT FORBIDS SECESSION.

AND THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT SANCTIFIED THE INVASION OF THE SOUTHERN STATES.

The Confederacy won almost all the major battles. The north lost 100,000 more troops than the south. Lincoln kept running thru generals until he found a drunk that would fight a war of attrition. He threw up men to the slaughter in order to win.

Why did the south fight so hard? They were invaded. 90% of Confederate troops were yeoman farmers that didn't own slaves. They fought to protect their homes and families from invasion by the northern aggressors.

With the elites the war was not fought over slavery. It was fought over disunion. Southerners wanted to rid themselves of the union (they had every right to) and the north wanted to preserve the union.

Sherman was a terrorist that committed many atrocities.

[mickeycrimm]

Hear me, hear me, mall shoppers! I am here to spread to you the good word of probable nothingness as well as to inform you that your lives have no inherent meaning! There is probably nothing after this and you will be completely forgotten within a few short generations.

Wrong again, long winded one! Perhaps you haven't heard but the internet has made amateur genealogists out of millions of Americans. We are all trading information as we speak. Ancestry.com revolutionized genealogy when they made billions of records available online. I've traced some of my ancestors back 12 generations. I've met scores of distant cousins online. Some where the common ancestor between us might be a 4X or 5X great-grandparent. I write biographical sketches of my ancestors and leave them online for posterity.

I have a huge collection of records. Here's an example. One of my 6X great-grandfathers, Laurence Corley. The house he lived in is preserved in Lexington, South Carolina: