Objective proof?

[The Boz]

Gambling is your only income. That's sad.

Why "sad?"

It's sad that he cant take off. He can't let an employer pay for his retirement. He cant have an employer pay for his health insurance. He doesn't get sick pay.

And he's DEPENDENT on a stop loss strategy. He knows that he cant blow thru his bankroll because his bankroll is his job. He must conserve wins and he must limit losses.

Unlike someone with a job he cant replenish his gambling bankroll with his next paycheck.

Frankly he's the poster child for why a stop loss program is essential. If he loses too much he loses his chance to work and his chance to win.

Again talking out your ass about something you know nothing about.

The fact that you came back here shows you need these debates in your life.

And enjoy being the poster child for a whipping boy.

Some would say your assets and income for someone your age is sad.

See, I can say your life is sad because you said the same about KJ. And know as much about his finances as I do about yours.

We do know no one ever came on here and claims KJ stiffed them out of money. Can you say the same?

[mcap]

Be nice to Mr. Alan guys, dementia is a rough way to go.

[jbjb]

We are our own employers. We can do whatever we want.

[redietz]

Now monet, you know I would never say that. I'm a little more precise in the language. Just because a game is "shaved" doesn't mean it's "fixed." I'm saying you can orchestrate a game, but you can't guarantee an outcome.

When people ask me if games are rigged or fixed, I go on a spiel about "fixed" suggests the outcome is guaranteed, while "rigged" suggests a strong purposeful bias from players or coaches or officials (and occasionally from management).

To say that no game is rigged is absurd because it says that nobody has motive, means, and opportunity to rig games, and that is clearly not the case. More games are likely massaged than we admit.

In fact, to be technical, when the NCAA hoops rules committee sends out "officiating guidelines" during the season that promote certain emphases, that could reasonably be interpreted as massaging outcomes. You don't want to be betting Unders the weeks after a bitch guideline comes out saying that contact isn't being called enough. So my hint is to find somebody who can feed you a copy of the officiating bulletins as they are distributed to officials.

Up 5 Million and Blew It.
Dummy!!
Arizona State... Nuff Said.

Arizona State, BC, the RB from Northwestern, list goes on and on.

The Penn State president, who was there during the Sandusky issues, tried to get on his moral high horse and have college sports gambling banned in Las Vegas because gambling led to corrupt players. He was head of some group pushing legislation. I wrote an op ed (I think it's in the Retro Road Trip thread) explaining to him that it was bookmakers in LV who uncovered the rigged games. So I understood he wanted gambling banned in LV because it would uncover further corruption.


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[MisterV]

We are our own employers. We can do whatever we want.

Sure you AP's can do and probably in fact do do whatever you WANT, but Alan seems to wonder how many of you guys do whatever NEEDS to be done, to safeguard your future?

While you're young-ish I can see skipping on health insurance (a calculated gamble) but the reality will probably kick in when you start getting old and your health needs increase.

While working it would be nice but not essential to have an employer-paid benefit program such as health insurance and 401-K, but the real issues will hit AP's when they reach retirement age.

Unless you AP's have filed returns and claimed sufficient income during your working years I see no happy landing for you viz. Social Security benefits; it ain't welfare, you must put in to get out.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall looking at the yearly lifelong Social Security earning statements of the forum's AP's that they get annually, assuming they even get one.

I look into a crystal ball and unless you've regularly filed and reported sufficient gambling profit, or unless you have another means of support then I see a can of Alpo in your retirement years.

Now that doesn't mean AP's won't qualify for SSI during their golden years, in fact I suspect many are drawing it now regardless of their age.

Following the AP highway ain't the worst choice a person could make, it is however fraught with financial peril, especially when you hit your sixties and beyond.

[monet]

We are our own employers. We can do whatever we want.

Freeeeeeedom!!

[monet]

Sure you AP's can do and probably in fact do do whatever you want, but Alan seems to wonder how many of you guys do whatever needs to be done, to safeguard your future?

While you're young-ish I can see skipping on health insurance (a calculated gamble) but the reality will probably kick in when you start getting old and your health needs increase.

While working it would be nice but not essential to have an employer-paid benefit program such as health insurance and 401-K, but the real issues will hit AP's when they reach retirement age.

Unless you AP's have filed returns and claimed sufficient income during your working years I see no happy landing for you viz. Social Security benefits; it ain't welfare, you must put in to get out.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall looking at the yearly lifelong Social Security earning statements of the forum's AP's that we get annually, assuming they even get one.

I look into a crystal ball and unless you've regularly filed and reported sufficient gambling profit, or unless you have another means of support then I see a can of Alpo in your retirement years.

Now that doesn't mean AP's won't qualify for SSI during their golden years, in fact I suspect many are drawing it now regardless of their age.

Following the AP highway ain't the worst choice a person could make, it is however fraught with financial peril.

That's why you have a bunch of Pikachu's doing the Lodi 奴隸 work for you.
So many friends and family members to exploit.
Ain't Life Grand?
It's not like they don't profit from such adventures.
Everyone is on the Grift.

Get to WORK Woman and put my name on your Full Covered Health and Dental Plan or Else!
And make sure all these Stocks, Bitcoins and Investments are in your name and you better not Fuck Me.
Rat Holes... lot's of Rat Holes.

[jbjb]

We are our own employers. We can do whatever we want.

Sure you AP's can do and probably in fact do do whatever you want, but Alan seems to wonder how many of you guys do whatever needs to be done, to safeguard your future?

While you're young-ish I can see skipping on health insurance (a calculated gamble) but the reality will probably kick in when you start getting old and your health needs increase.

While working it would be nice but not essential to have an employer-paid benefit program such as health insurance and 401-K, but the real issues will hit AP's when they reach retirement age.

Unless you AP's have filed returns and claimed sufficient income during your working years I see no happy landing for you viz. Social Security benefits; it ain't welfare, you must put in to get out.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall looking at the yearly lifelong Social Security earning statements of the forum's AP's that we get annually, assuming they even get one.

I look into a crystal ball and unless you've regularly filed and reported sufficient gambling profit, or unless you have another means of support then I see a can of Alpo in your retirement years.

Now that doesn't mean AP's won't qualify for SSI during their golden years, in fact I suspect many are drawing it now regardless of their age.

Following the AP highway ain't the worst choice a person could make, it is however fraught with financial peril, especially when you hit your sixties and beyond.

We do what any other employer does.

You all seem to think that this endeavor is some sort of "cash under the table" gig. Most of us treat it like a legitimate business.

[monet]

We do what any other employer does.

You all seem to think that this endeavor is some sort of "cash under the table" gig. Most of us treat it like a legitimate business.

What kind of fun is that???
Might as well just become the CEO of an Evil Corporation.
I shudder at the thought of AP's acting all Legitimate.
I guarantee you that AxelWolf will agree with you online but his real life is nothing of the sort.
Many others as well and I actually prefer it that way.
Its the online lying I don't like but it is true that everything on the internet is Fake.
Imgaine Mr. Z or Mr. Ho filing all that paperwork every year lol lol lol.
Not a chance in HELL.

[kewlJ]

It's sad that he cant take off. He can't let an employer pay for his retirement. He cant have an employer pay for his health insurance. He doesn't get sick pay.

And he's DEPENDENT on a stop loss strategy. He knows that he cant blow thru his bankroll because his bankroll is his job. He must conserve wins and he must limit losses.

Unlike someone with a job he cant replenish his gambling bankroll with his next paycheck.

Frankly he's the poster child for why a stop loss program is essential. If he loses too much he loses his chance to work and his chance to win.

Alan these arguments that you make are the arguments against ANY person self employed or in business for themselves. That a person is responsible for things like retirement, health insurance, sick days ect are part of the cost of self employment. Advantage players are just part of that group. I understand that it doesn't appeal to you, you wanted and had a career with these benefits and security. Good for you.

I am actually very proud of what I have accomplished and where I am in life. If it doesn't appeal to you, so be it.

[MisterV]

Alan these arguments that you make are the arguments against ANY person self employed or in business for themselves. That a person is responsible for things like retirement, health insurance, sick days ect are part of the cost of self employment. Advantage players are just part of that group.

I originally worked for others, then I was a partner, then for the last 20 years of my working life I was on my own, so I can relate: being a lone wolf ain't for everybody.

But I liked it, not having to answer to anyone other than myself.

Over time I set up IRA's for retirement and took advantage of my wife's health insurance benefits til I retired and started getting Social Security and medicare.

MY point to AP's is not to discourage them from following the AP path, but rather to make certain you do so correctly, always with an eye toward the future; youth is fleeting, plan ahead.

[smurgerburger]

Is Alan brain-damaged?

[coach belly]

Is Alan brain-damaged?

Your screen name is smurgerburger, and you're asking if Alan is brain-damaged?

OK..LOL...What a douchebag.

[Alan Mendelson]

MisterV thank you.

Yeah, I'm brain damaged. I must be after listening to this stupid crap.

[jbjb]

We do what any other employer does.

You all seem to think that this endeavor is some sort of "cash under the table" gig. Most of us treat it like a legitimate business.

What kind of fun is that???
Might as well just become the CEO of an Evil Corporation.
I shudder at the thought of AP's acting all Legitimate.
I guarantee you that AxelWolf will agree with you online but his real life is nothing of the sort.
Many others as well and I actually prefer it that way.
Its the online lying I don't like but it is true that everything on the internet is Fake.
Imgaine Mr. Z or Mr. Ho filing all that paperwork every year lol lol lol.
Not a chance in HELL.

Key words...."Most of us". Not "all".

[coach belly]

Key words...."Most of us". Not "all".

jbjb...you, and your penny-ante bullshit, are what monet has identified as fake.

If you are the real deal, then prove it, like monet does.

You are all talk (type)...100% bullshit.

Put up or shut up, loser.

[Alan Mendelson]

I'm lucky. I don't have a 401k. I have a pension funded by employers that started in 1972. And after I die my beneficiary will inherit 50% of my pension.

You APs have your own retirement plans? Well the reality is they're second rate and chances are you may outlive the money... if you really put money into them.

https://www.fool.com/retirement/2019...r-savings.aspx

[coach belly]

I'm lucky. You APs have your own retirement plans?

They don't believe in luck. Their fear and miserable attitude is of their own making.

[accountinquestion]

I'm lucky. I don't have a 401k. I have a pension funded by employers that started in 1972. And after I die my beneficiary will inherit 50% of my pension.

You APs have your own retirement plans? Well the reality is they're second rate and chances are you may outlive the money... if you really put money into them.

https://www.fool.com/retirement/2019...r-savings.aspx

Funny how you can tell a guy like this has some critical flaw that after decades of gambling he still talks about stop-losses. The "stop loss" phrase never even enters into my head. On the rare day, whether 3:2 or single 0, I will have something akin to stop-loss when I have lost so much I am just done. I very rarely gamble like that though.

It is clear Alan is jealous of those who made it gambling or otherwise he wouldn't have spent so much of his timetrying to chase the big win and catch it with a stop-loss it? (or however it works in his head)

[soxfan]

I always say that if cats come over the top with the claim then they should stand the scrutinies, hey hey.