KJ, that is really no different than playing any system you read about.

They probably lost, but they're playing negative expectation games so that shouldn't be a surprise.

Trying a system and losing is not the type of "hurt" I envisioned when I used the term; I meant painful, damaging results, not just loss of money and time.

Really, these guys were just carnival barkers trying to drum up interest in their two-headed calf.