Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
but the guy is a putz of the first order. Arguing with him about gambing is a pointless endeavor. Ok, he insults APs. WGAF !?
It is more than that he just insults AP's, he despises them and at time denies their existence.

Alan is actually the second person on these forums that I encountered that did this. LarryS was the first. And Rob Singer was the third, roughly the same time as Alan, but my encounter with Alan, just nosed out all my encounters with Singer. It isn't hard to figure out why these guys despise players that actually win and win by the math.

These guys, that despise players that play with an advantage and win, are so adamant about insulting and attacking AP, that I have labeled them, anti-AP.

Now don't get me wrong, every player that doesn't play with an advantage or win longterm is not anti-AP. Most are recreational players that recognize and fully accept that they are playing -EV. They are happy to go to the casino on a Saturday afternoon or night, play a 99%, or 98%, or even 95% return game and hope for positive variance that makes them a winner for that day (short-term). MrV is the perfect example of this.

The one point Alan makes that I agree with is that AP's probably don't enjoy their gambling experience as much as a recreational player. I have evolved on this a bit because I love(d) blackjack and making a living playing blackjack, but it gets to a point, and next spring will be 20 years for me, that if some magic wand was waved and there was no more countable blackjack games, maybe CSM or 6:5 or even money games replaced all countable games rendering card counting useless, I don't think I would ever sit at a blackjack table again. I wouldn't have the desire to spend some Saturday afternoon or evening playing 99% or 98% return blackjack hoping to hit some positive variance for those few hours.

I mean these guys like Alan that hit up the casinos regularly, playing a negative expectation game, winning once in a while but losing much more often, reminds me of all the old horse players (my Grandfather was one) that went to the track every day or multiple times a week doing the same thing and thinking they were going to win. Isn't that the literal definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome?

Anyway, I honestly don't wish anything bad for Alan. I just wish he would recognize and acknowledge that gambling is about the math.