Slow down guys. Yes, I said this and I own it:

Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
Despite everything claimed on these anonymous forums I reject these claims of advantage play -- even claims that dice influencing can be taught. It can only be taught to a tiny few... maybe.

In short, I'm probably the most hated casino forum participant because when a so-called AP says "I win" I say "prove it."
But I was not including proven ways to play with an advantage such as card counting or even edge sorting or even hole carding (see that jbjb?) and wheel clocking.

I was talking about the "far out claims" that get a pass... like counting two or three tables (sorry kewlj) and using a team with other people's cards and milking the casinos $20,000 a week without having to play more than that to keep the free play streaming in.

So yes there are legitimate methods to win.

I've never doubted traditional card counting. I was even at a casino for a demonstration of how a roulette dealer could target a group of four slots.

I personally have the illegal skill of dice sliding but I've used it only for demonstration purposes.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mdawg can edge sort.

I know hole carding happens.

But what I object to is every Tom, Dick and Harry who joins a forum and starts his first post with "I'm an advantage player..." and then asks a question typical of a first time gambler.

And I will always be suspect of those who claim to be money making APs who say how they win is a secret.

Yeah. Big secret.

That includes Double Up Bugs.