Rob Singer quit this forum after his fake "Vegas trip" debacle, which we busted as being phony -- but why?

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Todd still does his Poker Fraud Alert show, right?

Here's an obvious idea. What Singer claims to have done gambling-wise as opposed to what some people think he has actually done gambling-wise falls under the heading of fraud. So why not invite Singer onto Poker Fraud Alert and do a live broadcast where he fields adversarial questions?

There's a treasure trove of topics -- hot and cold cycles, telepathy with machines, double up bug execution (where, when, and so on), jackpot hits presented on forums, the 68% ATS for two years in the NFL playing five games a week -- I mean, you could do a month of shows. You couldn't find someone who is seriously on YouTube with the telepathy with machines stuff. You couldn't discover anyone with such a specific claim as 68% ATS in the NFL for two years allegedly posted on LVA forums.

It would be a debunking cornucopia (keeping with the holiday motif).

Of course, Rob likely wouldn't do it, but maybe he'll have some eggnog and agree to it. As the anti-math-ers like to say, anything is possible.

It just occurred to me, make it like a Jerry Springer holiday special. I'm willing to split the cost of a polygraph expert with Todd, if Rob agrees to it. Yes, I know, polygraphs have all kinds of problems, mainly false positives for deceit, but think how great it would be if Rob passed a polygraph for telepathing with machines!

Of course, gotta check his shoes for thumbtacks and all that, but still, what a show it would be.

Would you care to repeat that lie that you've never ever tried to debunk anything involving video poker?

PS: A key part of fraud is financial gain. Can you prove Rob is gaining financially by his claims?

Mickey is using a narrow American legal definition of "fraud." A key part of fraud is gain, period. That gain can be non-material as well as material. Non-material resources tend to be overlooked in the hardcore capitalist countries. For the majority of human existence and across all cultures, non-material resources have been extremely important. Things such as prestige, reputation, placement in hierarchies of expertise that result in access to leadership positions, ability to influence others, all of these result from non-material resources. Rob was using fraud to gain all of these. If I claimed to win 80% of my games ATS, but didn't get any direct financial benefits, I'd be doing the same. Pretty clear cut.

I'm sure if you had examples of me formally debunking video poker, you'd include them here. But you didn't. Regarding video poker, you haven't seen posts from me regarding specifics of anything. That is formal debunking. What I bring up are the contextual questions regarding Rob's video poker claims, questions that any journalist or police investigator would immediately ask. For example, in Rob's initial narrative regarding the double up bug on Alan's site, there were no time/place details. No details of when and where or how often. No specifics. Those are enormous red flags. Is that debunking? No, it's pointing out the obvious problems that anyone who has read a basic police interrogator book or taken Journalism 101 would immediately point out. It was remindful of when Rob claimed he was accosted by someone while having dinner. He didn't report on the person's age or details of the person's appearance, what the person was wearing, and so on. Very strange post from a journalistic perspective, and Rob is a public writer with lots of experience. What I did in these instances was not formal debunking. I was pointing out the obvious.

Formal debunking has to do with the specifics, including the math and history of something, and I know the math and history of sports betting. When I was a member of the SSDPE (Society for the Scientific Documentation of Paranormal Experiments), I was considered a lead scout -- read the claims, eyeball the situation, conduct a first interview. I was not the guy doing any formal debunking, which required both an expert in laboratory protocol and the math of the experiments.

Now Dan, as an investigator of poker fraud, is much better positioned to formally debunk Rob. I suggest you and Rob get together and ask Dan to place him on a Poker Fraud Alert show or two to field adversarial questions. That would be true formal debunking. Specific questions, interviews, public consequences if questions go unanswered.

Mickey, you're all about truth. LOL. Why don't you suggest Rob go on Poker Fraud Alert? See, it even has the word "fraud" in the title.

Damn, you're dense. Rob already said for you to set up the interview on PFA radio. You don't need my okay on any of it. Go for it, ditz, instead of running your mouth. And why do you keep trying to get me to do your bidding for you. I have a life. STFU.

LMAO at you wanting me to put up proof of your trying to debunk Rob's VP claims. You are trying to debunk it in practically every post. And it's video poker claims you are trying to debunk. You're trying to get Rob on PFA radio is just another attempt at debunking Rob's video poker claims. Your telling me to put up proof that you are doing it is either diabolical or you are a complete idiot. Either way, my evidence is your posts. All one has to do is read your posts to see that you have been trying to debunk all of Rob's claims as to video poker.

So all one has to do is go through your archived posts to see that you are trying to debunk video poker claims. One doesn't need a specific post to go to. Practically all of your posts are about trying to debunk Rob's video poker claims.

But I do agree with you and KJ on one thing, getting rid of the trolls. Druff needs to ban both you and KJ for your constant trolling of Rob Singer who doesn't even post here anymore. KJ is king troll and you are right behind him.