Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

Ok team redietz starring kewlj vs consensus of everyone else. Thank you for the explanation. Maybe we'll finally get it.
See, this is a very typical troll response. No surprise it is coming from you. You form teams, based on that you don't like someone (something you have admitted and prove every day), then you call names, like coach belly does with ditz, and TewlJ and mickey has followed coach belly. Who ever thought mickey would be following coach belly's lead. This name calling is an attempt to demonize.

God forbid, there should be an honest discussion, without all the polarization and name calling where someone, maybe even me, could actually learn something. I mean I would like to know how EV stops being about the math and starts being about someone's opinion that a team will do better than the odds or point spread with no explanation as to how that "opinion" came to be.

Now lets' get into how lines occur. And someone correct me if I am wrong. It is my understanding that there is an early line posted somewhere for football on Sunday night, that may not be available to everyone, and based wagers on that early line, the line moves to the first publicly available line posted usually Monday morning. And from there it moves further based on how much play each side is getting.

But lets get back to this earl(iest) of lines that comes out Sunday night. How is that determined? That is based on somebody's (supposedly an expert handicapper's) opinion. Someone's opinion just really can't be a part of expected value. TRUE expected value is based on math, not opinion. So if a sports bettor is beating that opinion of the line which starts out as one guys opinion and moves based oin the public's opinion, that should be called something else. I don't know what it should be called, but it is not the pure definition of EV.