I hate to keep explaining how mickey doesn't know what he's talking about, but here's some examples.

When I say "monitored results," that means monitored by a third party. As in publicly available after being monitored. I've been monitored my entire life. In the Wise Guys, for example, it was two games a week every week of every football season for 30 years. In the PlayBook newsletter, that meant selections in print on newsstands for more than a decade. When I mention the Bally's College Contest, that was 10 games a week every week for two football seasons. I was monitored by Buffalo's Satellite Cable Handicap Show (I have a VCR tape somewhere here), the Handicappers' Report Card publication (weekly), The Sports Monitor, "Tipsters or Gypsters?" and in print in a weekly newspaper column. Plus various other contests, including the publicly available one wherein I won 17 ATS in a row, but didn't come close to winning the contest.

So when I say I was monitored more than all the people mickey mentions combined, I'm talking 40 years of multiple monitors.

Now when I say Fezzik might have been the greatest NFL contest player of all time, that is arguably correct and very specific. But he was monitored in that way for just the NFL and for a limited number of seasons and just sides and just five plays a week in terms of those particular contests, mainly the SuperBook Contest.

Thus, in comparison, I'd estimate that I was monitored more than Fezzik and everyone mickey mentioned combined. It's possible I'm wrong, but it would be at least close -- me versus everyone combined. That's my "personal EV" estimate. LOL.

In fact, when I was 14 I kept records of me versus the AP versus the UPI versus GamePlan Magazines power ratings. I actually have those old notebooks with the predictions and results in them.

I also have email records with my partners dating back more than 10 years. Every play has been recorded and copied and obviously these are third-party folks who can verify all of the plays. They have all gotten the same plays unless they have opted out of certain subsets (such as opting out of futures or pure middles shooting, which requires much more money). But, since I'm a nice guy, I'm not counting those emails as "being monitored."

I didn't read all of mickey's screed, but in summary, to use his own argument regarding journalism degrees and all that:

What qualifies a trained hobo to be able to evaluate sports bettors?
What qualifies a slot player to be able to evaluate sports bettors?

Mickey has attempted the classic straw man argument. I debunk "EV" as he uses the term for sports betting. His conclusion is therefore I don't use math. That is what is called a non sequitur.

I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but despite my math ignorance, I did manage a 740 on the old SATs in math. And one of my compadres did get a perfect score. And we aren't even the probability guys on this little crew. So yeah, some of us manage to squeeze in a little math here and again.