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  1. #61
    Why even have an attorney if not for a case like this?

  2. #62
    Thanks for the clarification about the video, KJ.

    I suspect Bob has enough clout in Sin City to cut through the bullshit.
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  3. #63
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Why even have an attorney if not for a case like this?
    Isn't it bob nersian? Isn't that all you need to know?

    He represented Billy Walters.

    Also - why would ozzy deal with security guards in such a manner? Ju jitsu ?
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  4. #64
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    MrV, I read your concerns at GF. I don't want to post there, especially this discussion. I posted it here and will discuss it here. I just don't think much of that forum to engage in any meaning ful discussion. Trolling, sure. And I will make this quick because I am on my way out for a bit.

    I don't know how discovery and stuff like that works. I will ask next time I speak to my attorney. What I do know is he immediately said he would get the video. I think there was a reference to needing a judge to sign off or order it or something but am not sure how that goes. I actually thought he wanted to see the video to be sure we had a case before going forward.

    But at any rate the following week, he had a download of the backroom portion of the incident. I don't know whether he had the casino floor portion or not. I didn't see that. Again, I don't know how that works, I am just sharing what happened.
    He means the famous attorney he has on speed-dial V. And as you can see, the guy is readily available for a high roller like kew. No lawsuit required though. Personal injuries like a broken arm in a large casino's "back room" would net peanuts. He'd make 10 times that playing blackjack!

    You also see him nervously walking back some of his first pass at this tale. Turns out comments on GF mean a bit more to him than he lets on. In time, his lies will seal his fate. And as we all can see, when the walls are closing in on him, he's always "on his way out the door" when everyone knows he looks at the forums on his phone every 3 minutes....just in case he needs to concoct another lie. Think of the fool next to you in traffic staring at his phone while driving. Aka....nervous poodles.

    Watching the lying loser go down in his own flames. Kinda like watching him fake his own death. Stay tuned for fake death #2.

    This is so much fun!

    Next we'll hear of baby bro storming into the backroom and taking the fat spic and his colleagues out with kung fu!

  5. #65
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    MrV, I read your concerns at GF. I don't want to post there, especially this discussion. I posted it here and will discuss it here. I just don't think much of that forum to engage in any meaning ful discussion. Trolling, sure. And I will make this quick because I am on my way out for a bit.

    I don't know how discovery and stuff like that works. I will ask next time I speak to my attorney. What I do know is he immediately said he would get the video. I think there was a reference to needing a judge to sign off or order it or something but am not sure how that goes. I actually thought he wanted to see the video to be sure we had a case before going forward.

    But at any rate the following week, he had a download of the backroom portion of the incident. I don't know whether he had the casino floor portion or not. I didn't see that. Again, I don't know how that works, I am just sharing what happened.
    He means the famous attorney he has on speed-dial V. And as you can see, the guy is readily available for a high roller like kew. No lawsuit required though. Personal injuries like a broken arm in a large casino's "back room" would net peanuts. He'd make 10 times that playing blackjack!

    You also see him nervously walking back some of his first pass at this tale. Turns out comments on GF mean a bit more to him than he lets on. In time, his lies will seal his fate. And as we all can see, when the walls are closing in on him, he's always "on his way out the door" when everyone knows he looks at the forums on his phone every 3 minutes....just in case he needs to concoct another lie. Think of the fool next to you in traffic staring at his phone while driving. Aka....nervous poodles.

    Watching the lying loser go down in his own flames. Kinda like watching him fake his own death. Stay tuned for fake death #2.

    This is so much fun!

    Next we'll hear of baby bro storming into the backroom and taking the fat spic and his colleagues out with kung fu!
    If he would have just stated that the El Cortel broke his arm because he outed them and posted about their Cheating Chinese Shuffle Machines and Decks we might believe him, maybe. Didn't this Fag tell everyone that he actually bought one of those machines lol lol lol!?

  6. #66
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I see no need whatsoever for KJ to rush to the courthouse to sue Sweat point.

    He talked to Bob and the attorney did what is needed to preserve the video of the backrooming; whether the casino will actually do so, and whether it won't be "lost" remains to be seen; candidly I don't know how these sort of evidentiary things play out in Sin City without a lawsuit being filed and a formal discovery request being made.

    Nevada has a two year stature of limitations for personal injury actions to be filed.

    It is still my suggestion that KJ bring a claim against Sweat Point but there is no need to hurry in order to do so; rather let him continue his normal play and see if the heat in the local casinos changes, then decide.

    Finally, KJ need not file a suit to collect a payday; often a demand letter will suffice.
    Interesting MrV. If I was to pursue something, which I am not, my interest would have been more in the casino abuse angle than personal injury. I understand they would be connected. But one of the big issues for me, was in my sit down with attorney, he laid out how the case would go. He knows me, and what I am about, and his words were "this isn't something you can do anonymously". He went on to explain, the strategy would be to release all information and video to the new stations. He said something along the lines of "that is how we would bring them to their knees".

    That just doesn't work for me right now. I mean maybe if I thought there could be a several hundred thousand dollar payday. But for years of publicity and probably a settlement of 100k neighborhood or less, and then less attorney fees and taxes, that is just a no go for me, regardless of how I would love to hold casino and individual parties accountable. Not that he wouldn't think of doing that given certain circumstances but it's never been a strategy brought up to me.

    Now I am off to a lunch date with Mom.
    When you say "My attorney" Are you in fact referring to Bob N? YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH "the strategy would be to release all information and video to the new stations" That's a suggestion, YOU are the client you can go with a different strategy. Out of the many backroom cases I know of personally most of them never involved any of that nonsense, most were all settled out of court "quickly" and quietly. Media attention is oftentimes motivated by the attorney's own desires and want for maximum value. I can't imagine you not getting 50k for yourself with a "quick" quiet settlement. For very little time.

    Why even have Bob on speed dial if you're not going to pursue a lawsuit when situations arrive? The case you described doesn't get much better than that when it comes to back rooming cases.

    FYI I have presented cases to Bob many times and not once has he ever said anything about the strategy would be to release all information and video to the news stations.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 04-18-2023 at 03:01 PM.

  7. #67
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I see no need whatsoever for KJ to rush to the courthouse to sue Sweat point.

    He talked to Bob and the attorney did what is needed to preserve the video of the backrooming; whether the casino will actually do so, and whether it won't be "lost" remains to be seen; candidly I don't know how these sort of evidentiary things play out in Sin City without a lawsuit being filed and a formal discovery request being made.

    Nevada has a two year stature of limitations for personal injury actions to be filed.

    It is still my suggestion that KJ bring a claim against Sweat Point but there is no need to hurry in order to do so; rather let him continue his normal play and see if the heat in the local casinos changes, then decide.

    Finally, KJ need not file a suit to collect a payday; often a demand letter will suffice.
    Interesting MrV. If I was to pursue something, which I am not, my interest would have been more in the casino abuse angle than personal injury. I understand they would be connected. But one of the big issues for me, was in my sit down with attorney, he laid out how the case would go. He knows me, and what I am about, and his words were "this isn't something you can do anonymously". He went on to explain, the strategy would be to release all information and video to the new stations. He said something along the lines of "that is how we would bring them to their knees".

    That just doesn't work for me right now. I mean maybe if I thought there could be a several hundred thousand dollar payday. But for years of publicity and probably a settlement of 100k neighborhood or less, and then less attorney fees and taxes, that is just a no go for me, regardless of how I would love to hold casino and individual parties accountable. Not that he wouldn't think of doing that given certain circumstances but it's never been a strategy brought up to me.

    Now I am off to a lunch date with Mom.
    When you say "My attorney" Are you in fact referring to Bob N? YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH "the strategy would be to release all information and video to the new stations" That's a suggestion, YOU are the client you can go with a different strategy. Out of the many backroom cases I know of personally most of them never involved any of that nonsense, most were all settled out of court "quickly" and quietly. Media attention is oftentimes motivated by the attorney's own desires and want for maximum value. I can't imagine you not getting 50k for yourself with a "quick" quiet settlement. For very little time.

    Why even have Bob on speed dial if you're not going to pursue a lawsuit when situations arrive? The case you described doesn't get much better than that when it comes to back rooming cases.

    FYI I have presented cases to Bob many times and not once has he ever said anything about the strategy would be to release all information and video to the news stations.
    Responding to common sense posts instead of to funny insults as a result of his lies, is not kew's strong suit.

    It isn't a stretch to understand how anyone this would really happen to would have a big check in his hand in short order and with an agreement that no one share any of it anywhere, including between casinos.

    Baby bro's karate skills are impressive though....

  8. #68
    Big businesses such as casinos and TV networks do not relish negative publicity as it costs them money.

    How much does it cost?

    Fox News agreed to pay $787.5M to prevent Americans from learning / seeing what bullshit artists they really are, and how they've mind-fucked the sheeple.

    But I digress...
    What, Me Worry?

  9. #69
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Big businesses such as casinos and TV networks do not relish negative publicity as it costs them money.

    How much does it cost?

    Fox News agreed to pay $787.5M to prevent Americans from learning / seeing what bullshit artists they really are, and how they've mind-fucked the sheeple.

    But I digress...
    There are also other angles.

    Back when South Point just finished transitioning from South Coast (I think around 2007) a mutual AP friend of mine and axel's (Rick Radner) was thrown out of the casino and identified as an "undesirable" for allegedly being extremely rude to employees.

    Rick loved playing there and lived nearby. He had multiple AP plays going down and really REALLY did not want to be banned. He turned to me as a GT columnist, and asked for my help. He claimed his argument with several employees over a malfunctioning machine was valid, and that his follow-on rudeness to a cocktail waitress was regrettable and he apologized. I met with casino mgmt. on his behalf. I told them he was sorry, they knew he lived nearby, and he gave them decent action. But the scenario changed when I said I'd put the entire episode in my next column. The ban was lifted within the next 24 hours.

    This is how much these casinos do not want negative publicity.

    Even a caveman knows kew's story, had it been real, would have netted him a bundle.

  10. #70
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I see no need whatsoever for KJ to rush to the courthouse to sue Sweat point.

    He talked to Bob and the attorney did what is needed to preserve the video of the backrooming; whether the casino will actually do so, and whether it won't be "lost" remains to be seen; candidly I don't know how these sort of evidentiary things play out in Sin City without a lawsuit being filed and a formal discovery request being made.

    Nevada has a two year stature of limitations for personal injury actions to be filed.

    It is still my suggestion that KJ bring a claim against Sweat Point but there is no need to hurry in order to do so; rather let him continue his normal play and see if the heat in the local casinos changes, then decide.

    Finally, KJ need not file a suit to collect a payday; often a demand letter will suffice.
    Interesting MrV. If I was to pursue something, which I am not, my interest would have been more in the casino abuse angle than personal injury. I understand they would be connected. But one of the big issues for me, was in my sit down with attorney, he laid out how the case would go. He knows me, and what I am about, and his words were "this isn't something you can do anonymously". He went on to explain, the strategy would be to release all information and video to the new stations. He said something along the lines of "that is how we would bring them to their knees".

    That just doesn't work for me right now. I mean maybe if I thought there could be a several hundred thousand dollar payday. But for years of publicity and probably a settlement of 100k neighborhood or less, and then less attorney fees and taxes, that is just a no go for me, regardless of how I would love to hold casino and individual parties accountable. Not that he wouldn't think of doing that given certain circumstances but it's never been a strategy brought up to me.

    Now I am off to a lunch date with Mom.
    When you say "My attorney" Are you in fact referring to Bob N? YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH "the strategy would be to release all information and video to the new stations" That's a suggestion, YOU are the client you can go with a different strategy. Out of the many backroom cases I know of personally most of them never involved any of that nonsense, most were all settled out of court "quickly" and quietly. Media attention is oftentimes motivated by the attorney's own desires and want for maximum value. I can't imagine you not getting 50k for yourself with a "quick" quiet settlement. For very little time.

    Why even have Bob on speed dial if you're not going to pursue a lawsuit when situations arrive? The case you described doesn't get much better than that when it comes to back rooming cases.

    FYI I have presented cases to Bob many times and not once has he ever said anything about the strategy would be to release all information and video to the news stations.
    These are my questions, as well.

    The whole thing seems bizarre to have an attorney to handle these situations, and then when a slam dunk one came up, KJ decided, "Nah, gotta maintain my anonymity."

    And if anonymity was the concern, why not at least take it as far as you can without litigating, especially when the casino knows you have them by the balls?

    Sorry but a lot of this doesn't add up. I have no problem with KJ and think he sometimes takes a lot more shit than he deserves, but this story is either incomplete, fabricated, or partially fabricated.
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  11. #71
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    When you say "My attorney" Are you in fact referring to Bob N? YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH "the strategy would be to release all information and video to the new stations" That's a suggestion, YOU are the client you can go with a different strategy. Out of the many backroom cases I know of personally most of them never involved any of that nonsense, most were all settled out of court "quickly" and quietly. Media attention is oftentimes motivated by the attorney's own desires and want for maximum value. I can't imagine you not getting 50k for yourself with a "quick" quiet settlement. For very little time.

    Why even have Bob on speed dial if you're not going to pursue a lawsuit when situations arrive? The case you described doesn't get much better than that when it comes to back rooming cases.

    FYI I have presented cases to Bob many times and not once has he ever said anything about the strategy would be to release all information and video to the news stations.
    I haven't used a name in referring to "my attorney", because several years when I did, some of the really sicko trolls, called and bugged him, as if he would ever tell them anything. Can you imagine people on a forum thinking they have a right to do that? But I have had people from forums show up at my home, so I guess nothing is beyond these sickos.

    Axelwolf, you are making me consider....reconsidering. Not just you but, Druff, MrV, even mickey who I am more often than not at odds with these days. Basically a few people that I respect as opposed to the nit wits and trolls. My brother also wants me to pursue action and when I said at the very beginning, I almost feel like it is my responsibility to do so, to help stop this shit and stop it from happening to other players, he is at the top of that list that I would like to help stop it from ever happening to.

    So I think I will think about it a little more, maybe have another conversation with parties that would be involved. So it is probably best for me to say no more right now.

    One of the really great things about this is how discombobulated a couple of the hating trolls have become. Both throwing everything they can think of at the wall, desperately hoping somethings sticks. Singer even crawled back here again! Your welcome Ozzy! The other guy, you know the one.....the guy who was drugged and had his watch stolen by a prostitute, he too is beside himself. He said one of the things that proves this not true is that I didn't mention a cast on my arm. Seriously!!! You cannot make this stuff up. Did I really need to say that I have a cast on my broken arm? Do I need to say each time I take a breath, or put on my socks as well? How completely nuts these guys are. Their hate consumes them.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 04-18-2023 at 04:18 PM.

  12. #72
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Sorry but a lot of this doesn't add up. I have no problem with KJ and think he sometimes takes a lot more shit than he deserves, but this story is either incomplete, fabricated, or partially fabricated.
    It isn't Dan Druff. But you are free to think what you like. I know Ron will appreciate it.

    Besides that I believe this can harm my career, I am not a big lawsuit kind of guy. I was involved in legal action against a previous condo that was trying to force some of us out. That was a group thing. I don't think I have ever been involved in anything else. It just isn't my kind of thing generally. But whatever. Maybe this is a situation that requires something though.

  13. #73
    If this story occurred as told, you should most definitely pursue this.

    Also, you don't have to put out justification like, "I almost feel like it is my responsibility to do so, to help stop this shit and stop it from happening to other players."

    Honestly that sounds bullshitty. You got your arm fractured and what you describe as an illegal detention. If this is all true, that's quite enough to want to sue for your own pocketbook. You don't need to do this one "for the people".
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  14. #74
    KewlJ, you and I have not been seeing eye to eye regarding other topics, but I'm not asking the following to pile on.

    Why would you play there?

    I can't fathom why you would try to count there.

    And for the dumbasses in the audience, kewlJ will not pursue action because it's not in his best interest to pursue action. And his attorney likely knows that and agrees with him, all things considered.

    Fools count cards where angels fear to tread.

    In completely unrelated news, I'm having breakfast at South Point tomorrow. Anyone who wants to ask about EV or get a book, check out times in the sports betting section.

  15. #75
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    If this story occurred as told, you should most definitely pursue this.

    Also, you don't have to put out justification like, "I almost feel like it is my responsibility to do so, to help stop this shit and stop it from happening to other players."

    Honestly that sounds bullshitty. You got your arm fractured and what you describe as an illegal detention. If this is all true, that's quite enough to want to sue for your own pocketbook. You don't need to do this one "for the people".
    I hope this doesn't offend you, but I think this is one of the big differences between you and I. Actually, many people and I. I don't look at every time I am wronged as an opportunity to sue someone and make money off of. THAT isn't how I want to make money. It really isn't. I am sure most won't believe this but if I was to win money in a lawsuit, any lawsuit, I am sure I would donate a significant amount away to causes and charities I support.

    So I have a fractured bone in my arm. How much is that worth? 100k? more?

    I am just playing, but honestly, I sort of feel like AP's and especially card counter type table game AP's, understand that this kind of thing was always a possibility. I am glad we are getting away from this type of thing occurring all but rarely now, But there are risks and things associated with this kind of a career choice. We know that going in. At least I hope everyone does.

  16. #76
    KJ, did you talk with your attorney about him simply contacting Sweat Point and trying to negotiate a reasonable settlement without first filing a lawsuit?

    Heck, if he has the video that is the crux of the case.

    Again, as you know you have two years to file a lawsuit if it cannot be settled quietly.

    Maybe I'm repeating myself, but with a broken arm and a video tape it would seem to be a "slam-dunk" case for your attorney.

    Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
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  17. #77
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    KewlJ, you and I have not been seeing eye to eye regarding other topics, but I'm not asking the following to pile on.

    Why would you play there?

    I can't fathom why you would try to count there.

    And for the dumbasses in the audience, kewlJ will not pursue action because it's not in his best interest to pursue action. And his attorney likely knows that and agrees with him, all things considered.

    Fools count cards where angels fear to tread.

    In completely unrelated news, I'm having breakfast at South Point tomorrow. Anyone who wants to ask about EV or get a book, check out times in the sports betting section.
    Redietz, if you see a big (fat) latino security dude (I don't even know his name), that thinks he is a tough guy, tell him I said Hi.

    Why would I play at South Point specifically? is that your question? South point has always been in my rotation since the time I moved to Vegas. Even before I started driving in Vegas. As a matter of fact, just after I bought a car and started driving, I won a truck at South Point.

    As far as blackjack, they are a little (a lot) sweaty. I don't care. I play El Cortez fairly frequently for God sakes. Neither of these properties contributes to the databases. They subscribe but don't contribute. That means anything that does happen, only effects that property. That is a big plus for longevity.

    I will definitely be returning to South Point before the year is up, just out of principal , but probably not playing blackjack for a good while, so I can tell you what I like about South Point blackjack related without much consequence.

    6 deck games on the main floor. Penetration isn't great in the main pit, usually 67-70%, but in the second pit at the $25 min, the pen is 75% which is normal or average. And on weekdays the $25 games aren't crowded. South point is a low roller joint. The $10 games are crowded.

    Also, and this will excite some of the haters, but when the second and third pits are open, south point is one of the better tracking a second table locations. I am able to do this less and less frequently these days though.

    And of course, South Point is one of the few remaining reasonably priced buffets.

    Unfortunately, I was no-mailed there long ago, so it has only been about blackjack for a number of years. And in regards to no-mail, I always say that no-mail is one of the first counter-measures taken. Kind of a waring shot. I guess I ignored that warning.

  18. #78
    Kew carrying on with this charade is just silly. People offering him advice is meaningless because the whole thing is a no-brainer.

    Notice him claiming he'd "revisit" his decision not to sue. Anyone who retains high octane legal help like Nersesian would never go against the guy's advice. The scenario kew identified ALONG WITH THAT INCRIMINATING VIDEO would easily attract a settlement in the mid 6-figures to low 7. Kew's simply trying to save face while hoping it all just goes away. Too late, idiot. And let's not forget that kew NEVER FILED A POLICE REPORT. Anyone who wants to believe he did should contact Metro. All the info is available, and kew's name is nowhere to be found in the past 30 days.

    Fess up kew--you got caught big-time in your own lie.

    And I like it!

  19. #79
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    KJ, did you talk with your attorney about him simply contacting Sweat Point and trying to negotiate a reasonable settlement without first filing a lawsuit?

    Heck, if he has the video that is the crux of the case.

    Again, as you know you have two years to file a lawsuit if it cannot be settled quietly.

    Maybe I'm repeating myself, but with a broken arm and a video tape it would seem to be a "slam-dunk" case for your attorney.

    Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
    Really, I am going to stop talking about this right now. I hear you though MrV and appreciate your thoughts, comments and legal advice. Thank you.

  20. #80
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I will definitely be returning to South Point before the year is up...
    Huh?

    What about "I was read a trespass statement, told not to return and signed some documentation to that effect?"
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