Professional Sportsbetting

[accountinquestion]

Reditz is exceedingly arrogant and totally dismissive of the methods modern professional bettors use. He is some weird anachronism from 20-40 years ago. Think Quantum Leap level shit.

So Crimm decided he wanted to be taught by the best and here is the thread. It isn't all about learning from Reditz though, lots of good stuff put in one thread.

Redeitz is an old school sports handicapper. He has made a living in this business for 40 years. People in the sports handicapping business, especially back in the day were not the most upstanding church going types. There was some shady and cut throat stuff that took place. Monet paints all people that gamble for a living with that same brush. And there is probably at least some truth to it. There is definitely some back-stabbing, every man for himself shit that takes place in the world of gambling.

Techniques have changed in sports betting, with new opportunities. A lot of that has to do with chasing bonuses. I am not sure redeitz an old school type, is up on all that. He says some, but I don't think he is like a pure AP. A pure AP just wants to bet the game, because the bonus is his advantage. He doesn't care about either team. He doesn't have to know anything about either team. And old school guy likely resents that. And resents AP's moving in on what he considers his territory.

And yes, Redietz can be arrogant and condescending. And you have made it clear you don't like him. And now mickeycrimm has too. Does that mean a guy who has made a living for decades off sports betting isn't welcome here? That he has nothing to offer a gambling forum?

When I joined the BJ21 blackjack forum over a decade ago, there were quite a number of older, cranky, grouchy players. Players that played in the 80's and 90's and had grown really bitter with the less favorable condition of the mid to late 2000's. Curmudgeons is the word I want to use. They were just grouchy and cranky. They called players like me, young whipper-snapper, and thinks much worse. They were older generation players, cranky as hell, but still had a lot to offer as far as wisdom and experience. I can't imagine anyone suggesting they didn't belong on the forum or had nothing to offer, because they were arrogant and dismissive of newer players and methods.

This is NOT Jr high school. This is NOT a popularity contest, where you should run people off just because you don't like them or find them dismissive or arrogant or don't fit into your little clique or group.

Here is your problem. You start lecturing to people who know far more than you. APs bet sports anytime it is +EV. Whether bonus or not. APs aren't strictly limited to bonuses by any stretch. Your need to explain things you barely know anything about is obnoxious.

I don't think I've ever said Reditz doesn't belong in this forum. Where are you even getting this? You just make shit up.

If you and Singer belong then sure as shit reditz belongs too BUT he has to realize this is a free speech place.

You really have no clue what sort of basic shit reditz is dismissive over. Weak lines and +EV are terms i used multiple time and probably every other sharp pro bettor wouldn't blink at those terms being uttered. They however are winners and not SOMEONE TRYING TO PROVE THEY ARE A WINNER. FURTHERMORE, NO ONE IN THESE DISCUSSIONS IS A NEW SPORTS BETTOR OR HAS NEW METHODS outside of bonuses that come and go.

[kewlJ]

Here is your problem. You start lecturing to people who know far more than you. APs bet sports anytime it is +EV. Whether bonus or not. APs aren't strictly limited to bonuses by any stretch. Your need to explain things you barely know anything about is obnoxious.

I don't think I've ever said Reditz doesn't belong in this forum. Where are you even getting this? You just make shit up.

If you and Singer belong then sure as shit reditz belongs too BUT he has to realize this is a free speech place.

You really have no clue what sort of basic shit reditz is dismissive over. Weak lines and +EV are terms i used multiple time and probably every other sharp pro bettor wouldn't blink at those terms being uttered. They however are winners and not SOMEONE TRYING TO PROVE THEY ARE A WINNER. FURTHERMORE, NO ONE IN THESE DISCUSSIONS IS A NEW SPORTS BETTOR OR HAS NEW METHODS outside of bonuses that come and go.

Your post is arrogant and dismissive.

[accountinquestion]

Here is your problem. You start lecturing to people who know far more than you. APs bet sports anytime it is +EV. Whether bonus or not. APs aren't strictly limited to bonuses by any stretch. Your need to explain things you barely know anything about is obnoxious.

I don't think I've ever said Reditz doesn't belong in this forum. Where are you even getting this? You just make shit up.

If you and Singer belong then sure as shit reditz belongs too BUT he has to realize this is a free speech place.

You really have no clue what sort of basic shit reditz is dismissive over. Weak lines and +EV are terms i used multiple time and probably every other sharp pro bettor wouldn't blink at those terms being uttered. They however are winners and not SOMEONE TRYING TO PROVE THEY ARE A WINNER. FURTHERMORE, NO ONE IN THESE DISCUSSIONS IS A NEW SPORTS BETTOR OR HAS NEW METHODS outside of bonuses that come and go.

Your post is arrogant and dismissive.

As deserved.

The difference here is that Reditz is arrogant and dismissive about terminology and definitions used by just about every modern pro sports bettor. He aims it at us because we also use the proper terminlogy while discussing sports with him.

[kewlJ]

As deserved.

The difference here is that Reditz is arrogant and dismissive about terminology and definitions used by just about every modern pro sports bettor. He aims it at us because we also use the proper terminlogy while discussing sports with him.

Can I ask how old you are? just a range. You seem like an older curmudgeon type that just looks for reasons to argue, fight and not like someone.

You are not necessarily wrong about Redietz sometimes being arrogant. So what? Aren't we all sometimes? Anybody that participated on the blackjack forums about a decade ago, remember a member that went by Automatic Monkey? Very smart guy! Top AP and he wasn't even a full-time AP. I learned a lot from this guy. He was friendly toward me, a relatively new member and shared some valuable things.

Then one day he found out that I was gay and he turned. That forum had a separate less moderated (or not moderated) area and he called me every name in the book in that area. Couldn't and didn't want to hide his homophobic hate. But in the other areas of the forum, we continued to have decent communications, and I continued to learn things from him. So someone's personality rubs you the wrong way. So what?

Now, this thing you mentioned about terminology is even weirder. You have to conform to the terminology that other's in your profession use? Why? I use many terms that I have never heard other card counters use. One of them is "accumulated EV". That is a running total of my expected value from each day added together to compare to actual results. I have never, EVER heard or seen another card counter or AP use this term. I am sure most that use this, call it something else. So what? That would be a reason not to like someone? Come on man, just stop.

[accountinquestion]

As deserved.

The difference here is that Reditz is arrogant and dismissive about terminology and definitions used by just about every modern pro sports bettor. He aims it at us because we also use the proper terminlogy while discussing sports with him.

Can I ask how old you are? just a range. You seem like an older curmudgeon type that just looks for reasons to argue, fight and not like someone.

You are not necessarily wrong about Redietz sometimes being arrogant. So what? Aren't we all sometimes? Anybody that participated on the blackjack forums about a decade ago, remember a member that went by Automatic Monkey? Very smart guy! Top AP and he wasn't even a full-time AP. I learned a lot from this guy. He was friendly toward me, a relatively new member and shared some valuable things.

Then one day he found out that I was gay and he turned. That forum had a separate less moderated (or not moderated) area and he called me every name in the book in that area. Couldn't and didn't want to hide his homophobic hate. But in the other areas of the forum, we continued to have decent communications, and I continued to learn things from him. So someone's personality rubs you the wrong way. So what?

Now, this thing you mentioned about terminology is even weirder. You have to conform to the terminology that other's in your profession use? Why? I use many terms that I have never heard other card counters use. One of them is "accumulated EV". That is a running total of my expected value from each day added together to compare to actual results. I have never, EVER heard or seen another card counter or AP use this term. I am sure most that use this, call it something else. So what? That would be a reason not to like someone? Come on man, just stop.

You are such a fool that you are not worth responding to in any in-depth manner. Redietz literally created new threads to specifically ridicule me.

The fact that you're digging this shit up from weeks ago while lecturing me about wanting to argue speaks enough.

No one should give you any credibility on any level.