The Verdict Is?

[smurgerburger]

I fear that new sig of KJ's will age poorly when Druff gets around to expressing his updated opinion on the matter.

[MDawg]

Consider just the fact that UNKewlJ can't even control himself when it comes to declaring that he will never post again at forums.

It is therefore inconceivable that he is in control of his compulsive lying when it comes to anything. Been lying since day one at the forums. The five most major ones I can think of concern (1) his lie about Moses showing up at a condo he claimed he lived at, (2) a condo it turned out that he has no ownership in, (3) his faking his own death, (4) the nonsense about MGM execs showing up at his apartment on Halloween to give him player records on someone who isn't even MDawg, and (5) the backrooming lawsuit.

As well it's clear now that he was never much of a blackjack player, at least never supported himself from that. SeedValue's investigation was correct, and what MaxPen saw, UNKewlJ playing low end red to green in the company of a sugar daddy, makes sense.

In the end:

Everything and anything he has ever said will come into question and years of his forum adventures in BJ and life will be labeled as fiction.

Or as Wizard put it, If the totality of one's posts is one huge lie, then it becomes trolling.

But in UNKewlJ's case, it's not any kind of considered deliberate trolling, just that a compulsive liar cannot help but, lie.

I don't think you'll ever give up your lying. It is too much ingrained in who you are.

[accountinquestion]

TBH I'm not going to dog on Kewl for posting the new threads. This place needs some content Vegas related.

It is quite funny how he dogged this whole board for being trolls and this and that but here he is trying to be part of this site.

[MisterV]

Yes, I too encourage KJ to post LV and gambling related threads.

Over time the current shit-storm should subside.

[smurgerburger]

This makes me wonder what KJ's whole jihad against the WoV was all about.

It seems Shackleford had KJ correctly diagnosed as a serial liar. Was KJ's vendetta about that?

I never really followed it because I didn't care, but now I'm a bit curious how WoV figured it out. He doesn't seem like someone that would go out on a limb to accuse someone without good evidence.

[Gottlob1]

KJ said something nasty about one of the Wizard's friends. The Wizard sided with the friend. Started with an S, or something, who was some sort of academic.

[Gottlob1]

This place needs some content Vegas related.

All that you're going to end up with, that way, is a bunch of stuff no one will read, let alone give a hoot about. I stopped reading the Singer stuff, way back when he was still arguing with Crimm, the first time around. Never much read the KJ stuff, it's just so stupid, devoid of even the apathy of Singer.

[kewlJ]

I am going to address multiple things here today, starting with some outlier stuff and working towards the big issue, so many are worked up about. I will be breaking it into a series of post because I now know many of you ADDers don't have the attention span to read one long post.

So first, yes I did start two new threads last night, but it wasn't to deflect from anything. I know you obsessed freaks would bring it back to the one thing you are obsessing about.

When I read about Tarzan, two things came to mind. One was that I hoped it would turn out to not be true, like another recent reported or suspected death here. The second was that Tarzan had a very, very unique column count that he played. It is very complex. Overkill in mind and something that if 1000 people woke up today and decided they wanted to learn to count cards, maybe, just maybe 1 of those 1000 could master the Tarzan count. MAYBE.

So Tarzan always said he would someday publish his count in its entirety. I told the story of his trip here to Vegas to meet with Wizard, but I never knew if he ever got around to publishing like he planned. During a 10 month period from July 2015, through May 2016, I was corresponding with Tarzan a lot and he was trying to explain his count to me. I have some emails where he is going into it pretty extensively. I was thinking I could probably edit out all the non Tarzan count stuff and come up with a pretty good synopsis of his count which would all be in his written word.

But then I started thinking....do I have the right to do that? It is his count......his intellectual property. If he never got around to publishing it, he must have had a reason. And finally, not knowing for sure whether he evil did publish I googled Tarzan Count (which probably should have been my starting point) and was directed to a number of threads at Norms forum, where there were a number of posts, not by Tarzan, but other members that he must have shared info with, that pretty much laid out the count in its entirety, indexes included, especially if you took the trouble to read several different threads. That made me posting any kind of synopsis a moot point. The info is available for anyone who wants it. So if in fact Tarzan has left us, his works remains for others to use that may want to. (I will be double posting this to the Tarzan thread that I started here). And then I will move on to next topic.

Oh and my second thread about the naked guy at Harrah's. Well it is Druff who usually posts those threads. With him tied up with his poker play at the moment, I just thought I would help out while the story was still relevant.

[kewlJ]

Before I get into the latest on the topic some of you are obsessed with, I want to point out a couple things about the two trolls leading the parade.

Singer has several times now stated that I just didn't plan out this "troll event" very well. That I didn't do the research to know how things work. Stop and think about what he is really saying. He is admitting that he researches his "troll events" in advance, trying to minimize any slip ups. And yet he still always slips up. Thanks for admitting that Rob.

Mdawg, this morning laid out 5 things that he is suggesting I have lied about, the moses incident with management at my condominium complex, and so on, culminating with his conclusion that Seedvalues most preposterous thing about a male prostitute is true. What a twit. This is a guy that for 4 years now, has this ongoing claim of winning millions from casinos, while they have comped him well over 1000 nights of high end suites. A bizarre as Singers whole Newell thing was, this is even a bigger and longer lie. This just completely defies the way Las Vegas works. And he continues with it even today. It is just astonishing that this fucked up foreigner would have the nerve to call anyone else a liar, under any circumstances.

[kewlJ]

Now MaxPen, who turned out to be an expected stick in the bicycle tire said that this was my Newell moment. That is funny but not exactly true. This was more like a repeat of my fake death moment, 10 years later. What I mean by that, is the original events were true, but because I am a person that shares a lot of my experiences, sometimes too much, I sometimes find myself in a position, that I have to resort to coming up with a deflect or lie to protect myself from something more damaging.

In this case the incident I shared of the back-rooming occurred exactly the way I said it did. It was a botched back-rooming on the part of the casinos and some twits that had no need to even escort me to a back-room. All they needed to do was read the trespass act as I made my way to the door.

Apparently, the physician among us, AccountinQuestion says there is no way a fractured arm could occur when an arm forcibly comes in contact with a metal desk. I don't know what physics course or books this guy read, but yes, arm vs metal desk, arm will always lose. It wasn't a compound fracture where the bone is broken all the way through and dangling. It was a fracture. Look up fracture, Dr AinQ.

But the fractured arm wasn't the big issue which lead to my payday. It was the illegal and unnecessary back-rooming. Illegal detention.

So the first part of the case played out exactly as I shared. Initially I was thinking it would be best for me and my career going forward if I took no action, even though I knew I should and not just for the money. So after a fellow AP, in California no less, emailed me that he knew of this case, I decided to share details of the incident, if nothing else to warm players that these days of casino abuse and intimidate that we thought were gone, are still with us. It was then that members of this forum and a few AP's outside this forum convinced me that I should at least try work to a settlement.

And then something broke that was going to come out that was going to be devastating to me. Information about me that would be public, that I didn't want certain people here with a history of doxxing to have because I didn't want it to make its way to the databases. That threat has pretty much passed, and I am not going to say anymore, nor lead anyone back to it.

So I quickly lied and said the case had been filed and quickly settled. This got me past that point that info broke that I was worried about. And basically the outcome was the same. It was settled, just before a case was even filed. I was surprised how fast the casino settled. And it was settled for the amount that I have hinted at, which is not a lot of money....several years earning for me.

I really don't care what anyone thinks. If I find myself in a position where I need to lie or make up a story to protect myself, my anonymity, and my career, by telling a little white lie on an internet forum, you better believe I am going to. And I would expect every other real AP to do likewise.

So the only regret is that I lied to MrV towards the end. Despite what some of you trolls always say about him and smoking pot and all, MrV seems like a good guy, and I like him, so that sucked. Sorry. V.

One more section to come.

[MDawg]

After everything you've tried to offer in the way of back up fails, THINK HARD and come up with some new lie that won't be as easy to disprove.

He's still clinging to one of the prior lies however, about how some AP he won't name knows about all this. The only AP (other than myself) I'm aware of on this site from California is PositiveVariance, who is probably an UNKewlJ sock, and in any case, has never stated that he has heard anything verifiable about any of this.

[kewlJ]

I fear that new sig of KJ's will age poorly when Druff gets around to expressing his updated opinion on the matter.

Smurgerburger posted the above today. What Dan druff is likely to conclude is what all real AP, excluding Maxpen who suddenly got really involved, conclude.

Dan Druff said nothing during most of this.

What did mickeycrimm say during this event? Not a single word, except to correct Maxpen's use of "fraud", calling it a ruse or something.

What did Axelwolf say during this? Well at the end he did get hung up on the possibility of a wager and that kind of stuff. This guys gets obsessed with the possibility of a 10-1 wager. BUT at the same time, he came out and said in no uncertain terms that I am a blackjack player. He said no one knows what I know without having those experiences.

What did jbjb and some of the other APs and people with LV connections say while this was going on? ahhh..nothing. I suspect some knew at some point I veered off. But I think there still know from years, even decades now of my sharing my experiences and knowledge that I am who I say.

So the only people screaming about anything were a few trolls who you would expect, and oddly Maxpen. Maxpen got hung up in the thrill of the chase. I don't hold that against him. If he now wants to conclude that everything I have ever said and shared is not true, he is welcome to do so. But I would think he is smarter than that.

One thing I will say about Maxpen. While I didn't see his involvement coming, I hated to see him waste the time he did looking for a case. Max and I have communicated privately hundreds of times here over the years. If he had contacted me privately, I would have confided in him and avoided him wasting his time. But since he went public first, I was powerless to do so. But again, there is no ill will towards Maxpen on my part.

Happy day and let the war of words begin.

[kewlJ]

Dude if you are really an attorney, you are perhaps the sleeziest attorney I have ever witnessed. And that is saying a lot in this day and age of what is happening in politics with different attorneys.

Probably because you are a sleezebag foreigner, come to this country to steal what you can.

[MDawg]

What you have to do, to begin to get your arms around this whopper, is try to enter the mind of a compulsive liar like UNKewlJ. In his twisted mind, his coming up with some new, different explanation in an ever changing story, makes sense and somehow adds credibility. To anyone with any sense, it just deepens and darkens the cloud over his credibility, and makes his story more of a confirmed whopper.

I don't think you'll ever give up your lying. It is too much ingrained in who you are. What I would suggest is you not do that shit around people who by and large are quite sharp.

[MaxPen]

Now MaxPen, who turned out to be an expected stick in the bicycle tire said that this was my Newell moment. That is funny but not exactly true. This was more like a repeat of my fake death moment, 10 years later. What I mean by that, is the original events were true, but because I am a person that shares a lot of my experiences, sometimes too much, I sometimes find myself in a position, that I have to resort to coming up with a deflect or lie to protect myself from something more damaging.

In this case the incident I shared of the back-rooming occurred exactly the way I said it did. It was a botched back-rooming on the part of the casinos and some twits that had no need to even escort me to a back-room. All they needed to do was read the trespass act as I made my way to the door.

Apparently, the physician among us, AccountinQuestion says there is no way a fractured arm could occur when an arm forcibly comes in contact with a metal desk. I don't know what physics course or books this guy read, but yes, arm vs metal desk, arm will always lose. It wasn't a compound fracture where the bone is broken all the way through and dangling. It was a fracture. Look up fracture, Dr AinQ.

But the fractured arm wasn't the big issue which lead to my payday. It was the illegal and unnecessary back-rooming. Illegal detention.

So the first part of the case played out exactly as I shared. Initially I was thinking it would be best for me and my career going forward if I took no action, even though I knew I should and not just for the money. So after a fellow AP, in California no less, emailed me that he knew of this case, I decided to share details of the incident, if nothing else to warm players that these days of casino abuse and intimidate that we thought were gone, are still with us. It was then that members of this forum and a few AP's outside this forum convinced me that I should at least try work to a settlement.

And then something broke that was going to come out that was going to be devastating to me. Information about me that would be public, that I didn't want certain people here with a history of doxxing to have because I didn't want it to make its way to the databases. That threat has pretty much passed, and I am not going to say anymore, nor lead anyone back to it.

So I quickly lied and said the case had been filed and quickly settled. This got me past that point that info broke that I was worried about. And basically the outcome was the same. It was settled, just before a case was even filed. I was surprised how fast the casino settled. And it was settled for the amount that I have hinted at, which is not a lot of money....several years earning for me.

I really don't care what anyone thinks. If I find myself in a position where I need to lie or make up a story to protect myself, my anonymity, and my career, by telling a little white lie on an internet forum, you better believe I am going to. And I would expect every other real AP to do likewise.

So the only regret is that I lied to MrV towards the end. Despite what some of you trolls always say about him and smoking pot and all, MrV seems like a good guy, and I like him, so that sucked. Sorry. V.

One more section to come.

Looks like you were up all night and realized there wasn't one single sealed case on the court docket.

If people go back and look at your last few stories they will see a trend in you always changing the story after you get caught lying.

At this point you have less credibility than week old gas station sushi. Give it up. It's just making you look pathetic at this point.

Oh well, at least you apologized for lying to MrV. Who the fuck asks to consult with someone and have them give them their time for a lie? Mentally ill is the only answer I can come up with.

[MaxPen]

What you have to do, to begin to get your arms around this whopper, is try to enter the mind of a compulsive liar like UNKewlJ. In his twisted mind, his coming up with some new, different explanation in an ever changing story, makes sense and somehow adds credibility. To anyone with any sense, it just deepens and darkens the cloud over his credibility, and makes his story more of a confirmed whopper.

I don't think you'll ever give up your lying. It is too much ingrained in who you are. What I would suggest is you not do that shit around people who by and large are quite sharp.

Every day is a different lie.

[MDawg]

He's so twisted and confirmed in his pathology, that he doesn't even realize how each new lie sets off

a discord with a series of other past lies.

He went to such pains to talk about how a judge was involved in this or that, and now his latest lie belies the notion that there ever was a judge involved. He went to such pains to discuss how the case was sealed, and now his latest lie is that there never was a case to begin with. He went to such pains to discuss how he searched for and found his case, and two others, and now his latest lie implies that he never searched anything (which is what I said in the first place).

And of course this new story about how there never was any lawsuit brings back the question of why any casino would cough up video before compelled by discovery in a lawsuit. He flat out assured MrV that he did have a case number.

Just, utter nonsense.

And we are still back to his lies about how various unnamed APs and the press contacted him about this case. And yet nothing has come out anywhere. At least until he comes up with some new lie to explain those other lies.

About the only thing each lie explains...is why he could not produce any of the requested backup...because the backup never existed.


I think the Number One thing that should come out of all this, is that the guy is not just a liar, but an idiot. Anyone who would think that this whopper could pass even the laugh test could not possibly be any kind of success at anything. It is pretty clear at this point that hustling must be his main income, and he must find some rather desperate dumb marks to make his bread, because anyone with any brains wouldn't buy into anything he had to say. He lies here, and he lies on the street to attract sub-par marks who don't know better.

And...you want to talk about Cause and Effect? I post at 12:54pm the
DanDruff care to weigh in on UNKewlJ's backrooming lawsuit "story" now?

and 8 minutes later, he posts the "new lie retraction" about how there never was any lawsuit.

What a joke. UNKewlJ is.

[Rob.Singer]

Kew, stop being so pathetic. You spend hours trying to convince everyone that this or that AP believes your nonsense. Axel said something like you're a work of fiction; mickey doesn't really care how high you hang yourself; Dan said you have a history of hoaxes, and you best hope he doesn't chime in again after your pitiful performance the past few days; we've seen max obliterate you rather easily; and jbjb seems to have run out of one-liners to describe the fiasco he's been watching. The lawyers here see you as mashed potatoes gone sour; and in case you don't know, wizard hasn't changed his mind about you. He actually was ahead of us when it comes to you--the Pathological Compulsive Liar.

[kewlJ]

Have your fun Mdawg and Singer.

That I lied during the later part of sharing this backroom incident to protect myself....how exactly does that help you and your now 4 year long bullshit story, Mdawg? Do you in some twisted way, think that makes this ridiculous 4 year long bullshit story more believable?

4 years, millions won and the casino has comped you high end suite to live in for well over 1000 nights of that time. This is a bigger bullshit story than all of Singers...the double up bug, the Newell, the 1.5 million dollar jackpot combined.

And that I had to lie a bit towards the end of sharing this particular experience, does nothing to change singer's 20 year history of one bullshit story after another.

Cast the first stone and all that.

And you know what the worst part of Rob's bullshit history is? That he stole the double up bug from the players that really did it, Kane and Nestor. Idiots that they may have been....THEY found it and took their shot. Rob just stole it from the news years later.

[Gottlob1]

Oh well, at least you apologized for lying to MrV. Who the fuck asks to consult with someone and have them give them their time for a lie? Mentally ill is the only answer I can come up with.

V would give a free year of blow jobs to KJ to prove of use to someone, which here, ultimately, amounts to nothing, anyway. Certainly, KJ has/had no sense of empathy for anyone. Are you really so naive, or, is your story, too, all made-up?

The thing about KJ - if you actually read what he writes - is that he constantly echoes the words/phrases and themes of the immediately previous replies by others. As I noted, a while back, he's extremely suggestible. Not someone in control of even his own life. People don't always end up in places like Vegas by their own conscious volition. My guess would be some nut-job living from one day to the next, now on the internet. Certainly of negligible intelligence, etc.