The Verdict Is?

[kewlJ]

Didn't you even say you bought one of these shufflers? Am I wrong there?

Yes I did. I bought and possessed a machine for a period. Proved to myself that it could do exactly what I already was all but sure of. And then I sold it to a well known top table game AP here in Vegas. You know what he did with it? He already knew or like me strongly suspected the capabilities. He wanted to figure out how to use that to his advantage, which he did. He took it apart and deciphered it every which way. I was lucky enough that he shared a bit of what he discovered, but I know not everything.

And that is the difference between a top notch AP and myself. I am still kind of narrow focused on one thing at a time, while the top AP is searching for any advantage. Maybe some day I will get to that mindset.

BTW, it is rigged ASM we are talking about not CSM.

Why would you buy one when the capabilities are publicly known?? You're not going to reprogram it for some sort of cheat mode so what would ever be the point in buying one? I guess it'd be cool to have and show your friends but the cheat modes would require a serious developer to create.

I bet you never posted one picture of it the whole time you talked about it ........

Why would this highlevel AP care about the mechanics of it !!??! Again - the anonymous high level AP.

The fact that the machine can sort a deck tells you all you need to know. After that it is a matter of figuring out all the ways a casino could cheat you with one.

"Took it apart and deciphered it". Like.. what does this mean? Does a rigged machine spit out cards faster? Did he hire a programmer to reprogram it? There is nothing there.

I actually have my own story about a rigged shuffler but it would be too close to outing me or the person who was behind the machines. So I won't tell it. I don't doubt they exist. I could easily be making up this story too. It was putting 2 and 2 together.

Ahh yes, ASM vs CSM. I didn't think of the distinction but clearly there should be one. Not my world.

Damn Straight that I didn't post a picture. I was illegal to possess that machine, at least at that time.

It was me that hired the programmer. It was a guy who knew nothing about any kind of shuffle machines. After fiddling with it for 10-15 minutes, he said Ok, I think I got it. It then took him about 45 second to access the mode required to do what I suspected and would be illegal.

When you make comments about "spitting out cards", I think you are still thinking of CSM (continuous shuffle machines). I am talking about ASM (automatic shuffle machines. These machine work by shuffling one set of cards while the other is in play. Then when you have used up the cards being played and it is time for what would otherwise be a hand shuffle, the dealer takes out the already shuffled cards and inserts the just finished played cards into the shuffler and play resumes with the freshly shuffled deck.....no or less down time for shuffling.