More Absolute Proof VP "AP's" Are Nothing But Liars

[redietz]

Okay, facts:

1) Shirley, not Dancer, won the big money.
2) Dancer, not Shirley, wrote the book and used it to become a vp personality.
3) Rob has met and discussed the situation with members of Shirley's family.
4) If you've read virtually everything Dancer has written, as I have, and you come to the conclusion that he has no issues with ego and sex, then God bless you.

[Alan Mendelson]

1) Shirley, not Dancer, won the big money.

I never cared about how much he or his wife won. I only care if the info he has will help me win.

2) Dancer, not Shirley, wrote the book and used it to become a vp personality.

I don't care if he is a "personality" or not... I just care if the info is worthwhile and helpful.

3) Rob has met and discussed the situation with members of Shirley's family.

I don't care and frankly it's hearsay.

4) If you've read virtually everything Dancer has written, as I have, and you come to the conclusion that he has no issues with ego and sex, then God bless you.

As I said before, the only thing I care about is if his tips will help me win money. For the record, I have my own ego and it's big enough and I don't need to be concerned with his ego. And at my age, sex isn't as important as it was 40 years ago.

[arcimede$]

As for Shirley's winnings ... would she have been playing at all without Bob's presence/ Would she have been playing at that denomination? Would she have learned how to play correctly? I can only chuckle at the claims that Shirley was responsible for the big winnings. As indicated above, all of these attacks on Dancer are examples of jealousy and hatred. If I were you Alan I would ask Singer to provide absolute proof of his claims and delete this thread if he can't provide it.

[Alan Mendelson]

It's more embarrassing to the posters when you leave their original, ridiculous claims online for all to see.

[quahaug]

Sch-C Rob or should I call you no balls Rob? You video poker hack.

[Rob.Singer]

Alan, if you believe you're ever getting info from Dancer that'll help you win, you'd better have a huge bankroll. Look at him for what he's always been: someone who works multiple jobs and will never stop, just to continue to be able to put big money into the poker machines. He's also never had an ounce of respect for the women in his life and his costly divorce not only proved it--it helped a lot of others finally wake up to the fact that he's a despicable person. People who have trouble with their spouses and partners do so because they have deep-rooted problems. You should know, which is why it's not too surprising how many passes you give the loser. It's also a very good barometer as to why gambling is so important to such people.

Arci's take on the Shirley factor is as empty as his own life has panned out to be. Shirley won the $400,000 royal with THEIR money, and she's the one who got the W2G. Dancer simply followed what any "VP AP" would do, and claimed the fame for himself along with all the cash. That's why she is so at peace with herself after rightfully raping the moron in the divorce, and why I contacted her last week and congratulated her on a job well done. VP AP's, in case you haven't noticed, always think they know it all and hold the upper hand in every situation they come in contact with. Watching these liars pay the piper is as satisfying as watching Obama's supporters continue to have buyer's remorse at levels even his corrupt and clueless mouthpiece Axelrod can't believe or explain.

[Vegas_lover]

Alan, if you believe you're ever getting info from Dancer that'll help you win, you'd better have a huge bankroll. Look at him for what he's always been: someone who works multiple jobs and will never stop, just to continue to be able to put big money into the poker machines. He's also never had an ounce of respect for the women in his life and his costly divorce not only proved it--it helped a lot of others finally wake up to the fact that he's a despicable person. People who have trouble with their spouses and partners do so because they have deep-rooted problems. You should know, which is why it's not too surprising how many passes you give the loser. It's also a very good barometer as to why gambling is so important to such people.

Arci's take on the Shirley factor is as empty as his own life has panned out to be. Shirley won the $400,000 royal with THEIR money, and she's the one who got the W2G. Dancer simply followed what any "VP AP" would do, and claimed the fame for himself along with all the cash. That's why she is so at peace with herself after rightfully raping the moron in the divorce, and why I contacted her last week and congratulated her on a job well done. VP AP's, in case you haven't noticed, always think they know it all and hold the upper hand in every situation they come in contact with. Watching these liars pay the piper is as satisfying as watching Obama's supporters continue to have buyer's remorse at levels even his corrupt and clueless mouthpiece Axelrod can't believe or explain.

More horsesh**. No Singer post goes by without him beating up Dancer and/or Arci. He doesn't care what anybody says, he only does what he likes. He throws bombs and then leaves for a couple of days. Then comes back, ignores peoples requests to town it down. Singer's response: "let's throw another shrimp on the barby".

He also conviently ignores his own failure to back any of his own outlandish claims. And when he does address that issue it's simply not a priority because he's retired and all this stuff doesn't matter to him anymore. In the mean time, this man is the number 2 or 3 poster on this forum with nearly 2000 posts. Talking about compulsive......

And still this man still gets the opportunity to spread his filth. Ah well, it is what it is, despicable. Sorry Alan, but this is going to far!

[Alan Mendelson]

Shirley won the $400,000 royal with THEIR money, and she's the one who got the W2G. Dancer simply followed what any "VP AP" would do, and claimed the fame for himself along with all the cash.

Well, Rob, of course she got the W2G -- she was in the seat. And of course it was THEIR money -- they were married at the time, weren't they? And why wouldn't he claim the fame? When my wife hits royals I claimed the fame too -- just as she got cash and a four-carat+ diamond ring when I hit royals.

Sorry Alan, but this is going to far!

I think Rob is digging quite a hole for himself. And I will simply let him continue. I only wish he would use some of his spare time to get those records he's been promising us. While I doubt they will prove anything it would be a nice gesture on his part to produce them so we could see them.

[Vegas_lover]

Well, Rob, of course she got the W2G -- she was in the seat. And of course it was THEIR money -- they were married at the time, weren't they? And why wouldn't he claim the fame? When my wife hits royals I claimed the fame too -- just as she got cash and a four-carat+ diamond ring when I hit royals.



I think Rob is digging quite a hole for himself. And I will simply let him continue. I only wish he would use some of his spare time to get those records he's been promising us. While I doubt they will prove anything it would be a nice gesture on his part to produce them so we could see them.

I also believe Shirley learned to play optimal strategy from him. When me and my wife are in a casino either WE lose or WE win. We can both claim the win. Yes a Royal can be hit without playing any strategy. But we all know Dancer's professional VP life is all about optimal play. So the entire point Rob is trying to make is useless and just a personal vendetta.

And talking about proof. Let Rob show us schedule c's without any strings attached and without him demanding anything from others. No side bets, no BS. He's the one claiming so many things, just let him prove some of his claims for a change. And yes, let him provide the mysterious data from the Arizona storage locker too. It's about time. If they prove anything is not the issue anymore.

[regnis]

High ranking government officials believe there are weapons of mass destruction in that storage locker.

[a2a3dseddie]

What goes around always does come around Bob

I only read this forum and the Las Vegas Advisor Forum. Does Bob Dancer insult or argue with Rob on other forums? Why all the hate?

[redietz]

The point Rob is making is that without Shirley hitting that mega-royal, Bob Dancer -- vp pro and author and authority on all things gambling -- probably doesn't exist in 2013. If you don't think that's relevant, okay, then what exactly do you think is relevant?

When was the last time any of you read "Million Dollar Video Poker" and asked some journalistic questions? You guys do realize Dancer's dad was wealthy and they were estranged for awhile for gambling reasons? You do realize Dancer skips over the explanations of how he suddenly, in the book, jumps denominations in a mysterious fashion?

I'm not criticizing Dancer for what he accomplished -- he was stellar. I have issues with his presenting his life as some kind of blueprint for what you can do if you follow his lead and study hard. The fact is, if you have some inside info on Dancer, that he does not restrict his gambling to vp. He has leakage in other areas, and his explanations of having an edge in those other areas don't really hold water, so his entire program of having an edge in vp gets called into question.

Now for you recreational players out there who don't mind losing, none of this really matters. For people looking to win lifetime, Dancer's alleged philosophy may be solid, but his life is a questionable blueprint, at best.

As to the question, "Does Dancer help me win?" -- I ask you. Have you won? Are you ahead lifetime? If you're not, then he hasn't helped you win.

[Alan Mendelson]

Actually I never read that book, nor do I care about his life story, or about his personal financial situation. The only thing I care about is if he can teach me how to play video poker better. I have read his articles, used his software, and even attended one of his lectures. While everything I learned about playing video poker did not come from Dancer exclusively, I have learned some things from him. I've also learned from Grochowski, and from Frank Scoblete's new book, and from various online authors. And yes, I've also learned a few things from Rob Singer.

My point is I think discussing personal lives and personal finances is meaningless. I want to learn the proper game theory. I realize that personal results will vary with the luck of the RNG. There are great players who know perfect strategy and aren't lucky with the RNG just as there are lousy players who don't know strategy who do get lucky with the RNG.

Sometimes you know perfect strategy and don't follow it and get lucky anyway. That's what happened to Rob when he was playing 8/5 Bonus on a $25 machine and sacrificed three queens to hold three to the royal and drew the royal.

I'm curious redietz, would you have broken up the three queens to try for the royal?

[a2a3dseddie]

Actually I never read that book, nor do I care about his life story, or about his personal financial situation. The only thing I care about is if he can teach me how to play video poker better.

I'm with you on this Alan. We're trying to learn how to be better VP players. Who's taking advice from him on how to live their life or how to have a successful marriage?

From what I can tell and have read, all his "methods" include making the optimal holds and playing computer perfect strategy for the game he is playing. The "math" supports his method and he uses math when factoring in comps, drawings, gifts etc. What supports Rob's systems other than his own purported success?

[redietz]

I'm an AP. If the charts say hold three queens, I hold three queens. If they say something different, I do something different. I follow the math.

As to Dancer, I cannot believe people actually evaluate him without reading that book. The book contains a helluva lot more info than any sessions with him will give you. I suppose you guys have read about, what, two dozen of his several hundred columns? How can you even give opinions about something if you haven't studied the subject?

[a2a3dseddie]

I'm an AP. If the charts say hold three queens, I hold three queens. If they say something different, I do something different. I follow the math.

As to Dancer, I cannot believe people actually evaluate him without reading that book. The book contains a helluva lot more info than any sessions with him will give you. I suppose you guys have read about, what, two dozen of his several hundred columns? How can you even give opinions about something if you haven't studied the subject?

Are we supposed to be evaluating him as a person? I don't play video poker often, but if I did all I would want from him would be information on correct holds or profitable plays.

[Rob.Singer]

Are we supposed to be evaluating him as a person? I don't play video poker often, but if I did all I would want from him would be information on correct holds or profitable plays.

Dancer is a liar and failure in life. What else do you need to know to evaluate what he sells and says about the vp business?

[redietz]

The problem with Dancer as he currently writes is that it's tough to discern between what is helpful to a normal player and what is not. He operates with comp rates and (possibly) rebates not available to the average player. He evaluates drawings with info not available to the average player, and his drawing estimates may or may not be accurate. So the question is, "If the average player does as Dancer does, what happens? Does he win or lose?"

If he loses, then is Dancer doing the average player any good? To make an assumption that an average player would lose more without Dancer's "help" is sheer speculation. The average player might actually lose less because he/she would not assume they have an edge when they do not. In addition, many players do as Alan does, which is play to a "loss limit." If they play to a loss limit, then the effects of learning from Dancer are negligible, except that playing more hours and more hands before reaching that loss limit may create a stronger addiction to vp play.

[Alan Mendelson]

I am able to separate Dancer's advice from his promotional talk. Can't you? I also can separate Rob's solid advice from his promotional talk.

[regnis]

O.J. Simpson was a murderer. It doesn't diminish how well he ran the football. And if he was explaining to me how to run the football, I would listen, regardless of his personal life. I'd also keep an eye on my wallet.