It's just par for the course. He turned started surfing in 1979 into owning a shop in 1970. This is why I say he's a habitual liar. It's whatever meets the need. He lies so much he doesn't even realize he's doing it. He does it with authority too...lolOriginally Posted by Ray Finkle
Where did 1979 come from. Finke quote was he started surfing in 1970.
He then stated he owned a surf shop. For a decade. I took that to mean from 1970 through 1980. I guess he meant he owned the surf shop later.
Big deal. So you just posted 1979 when he clearly said 1970. Is this an intention LIE?
So finkle could be a decade younger. 70 and surfing every day? Still got bless finkle for that.
You are witch-hunting MaxPen...witch hunting.
Looks like a typo to me.
Settle down Sunshine...
Laces Out!__DAN!
Originally Posted by kewlJ
Younger...
Laces Out!__DAN!
Why do you cruise the site hidden?
Laces Out!__DAN!
There are enough people on/off the forums that have met with, work/worked with, done business with, played with, alongside of, etc. There's none of this... I know someone who knows someone who met someone that may have seen me. FFS I swear whenever I see him, he has a new car.Originally Posted by kewlJ
I don't appropriate the fact that you are quoting me out of context and weaponizing it. That was said in conjunction with why he should attempt to provide some proof if he cares about that. Bold if you will, bold if you must, but If you can do me a favor and quote the full thrust.Originally Posted by MDawgYou've been flailing for years, including with the faking of your own death, but finally fell off the cliff most recently.
For someone whose most every word posted has been a Neverending quest for street creds on the internet that's quite an epic failure.Originally Posted by AxelWolf
MDawg has been doing this for years now Axelwolf, with many different people.
I do not own a surfboard shop.Originally Posted by MaxPenIt's just par for the course. He turned started surfing in 1979 into owning a shop in 1970. This is why I say he's a habitual liar. It's whatever meets the need. He lies so much he doesn't even realize he's doing it. He does it with authority too...lolOriginally Posted by Ray Finkle
My wife owned a surfboard shop.
I used a surfboard, possibly, once in my lifetime from her surfboard shop.
I can't really remember.
I am not lying!
Climate Change is Real... Damnit!
More Fun that way, in my opinion.Originally Posted by Ray Finkle
The 9 is next to the zero on my phone. So that's just a typo and this site has limited edit time.Originally Posted by kewlJ
Here is what I am talking about with the term "witchhunt".
To listen to these guys, I am a male prostitute, who lives in the tunnels and sewers beneath Las Vegas, so they are calling me homeless, who I guess after turning a "trick" uses that money to play red chip level blackjack.
Now is that fair? Is that honest?
Just because you have decided you don't like someone, or even decided you don't believe something they have said or claimed, is this right?
I have NEVER done this shit. My challenges to Mdawgs claims, are about the claims. How they defy either the math of the way Las Vegas works.
About the closest I have come to challenging something that isn't a direct claim about gambling is questioning what happened to the "mid seven figure mansion" he said he purchased. With Singer I questioned the RV shit which wasn't a direct gambling claim, but that became fair game when he tied it to his gambling claims by telling Michael Shackleford that is what he spent his "gambling winnings" on.
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Fair enough. Thank you. And I know that problem, well. Do you know the majority of my typos are auto- correct on my phone changing something that was originally correct to something stupid that makes no sense.Originally Posted by MaxPen
Oh shit, I missed a lot.
You people understand that 2 people can both be liars of the highest degree?
Obviously the attention whore was called out for it. And no, I never understand why KJ subjects himself to this. Obviously a defect.
And yea it’s the wrong thread but has anyone done the math of just one of MDawgs claims? The $60k win at a 50-1 spread over 10 hours? While it’s not in Alan territory, it should be its own story in regards to how many people lost their job over it. And why he was ever allowed to enter another casino anywhere. The math says (per the Wizard) he played around 1100 hands heads up allowing for him to piss every 2.5 hours since he doesn’t drink.
So who is calculating what his average bet was, what percentage of hands he won (compared to the average of 42%) and at what limits. Did he win all the 50 times spreads? Or again, what is the math on this on average. Obviously if you win the high counts at this spread it’s possible.
So what happened after this huge win? Were the tapes looked at? Every pitboss in Vegas can count a 6 deck shoe but 2 deck is even easier. What was their excuse over 10 hours? How many were fired as we can assume their boss sold them out (10 hours, 2 pit bosses) at a minimum.
Worst case they realized they were slacking and fired them and banned the player. Best case he was a bad counter and won the small hands and lost the big ones. So what is the math on that? Possibly Alan territory there. Lose the 50 times big bets, win the small ones and still win 60k.
Of course these forums are filled with liars, but why a guy who according to his posts (Tesla, Apple, Bitcoin) is worth $50 million MINIMUM is so obsessed with KJ makes no sense.
Obviously a defect, just like KJ.
Oh yea, fuck you Monet! Hopefully you got over you fear of Covid, your 2020 posts are pure internet Gold!
Wonderful and fair post Boz.
What Mdawg claimed there, with the $100-$5000 spread for 10 hours, isn't just NOT the way Las Vegas works, but someone would have been fired that allowed what he claimed. And what he claims does put that claim into Alan's 18 y.o.'s in a row category. That is not hyperbole.
I will also answer the question about does he win all his largest (Max) bets? I think most people know the answer is unequivocally NO. If a card counter won even a majority of their largest bets, the advantage he would be playing would be far greater than a lousy 1%. The real answer is that a player doesn't even win half of his largest bets, even when the count is very high. Less than half.
The reason the advantage flips...ever so slightly, is because of the slight increase in blackjack at the 3:2 payoff. There are other much less important reasons like some of the double downs hit a bit more, but most of that advantage gained that allows the edge to flip ever so slightly is from a very small increase in blackjack.
But anyone who reads Mdawgs reports will have seen him say many, many times that he won the vast majority of his largest or Max bets. Again, that is just not how it work.
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Of course his claims are BS, and anyone (everyone) here understands that. I guess most gave up questioning them years ago and see him as a buffoon (granted a rich one) for the claims. No one is allowed to win at will in Vegas under the circumstances he claims.Originally Posted by kewlJWonderful and fair post Boz.
What Mdawg claimed there is not just NOT the way Las Vegas works, but someone would have been fired that allowed what he claimed. And it occurring as he claimed does put that claim into Alan's 18 y.o.'s in a row category. That is not hyperbole.
I will also answer the question about does he win all his largest (Max) bets? I think most people know the answer is unequivocally NO. If a card counter won even a majority of their largest bets, the advantage he would be playing would be far greater than a lousy 1%. The real answer is that a player doesn't even win half of his largest bets, even when the count is very high. Less than half.
The reason the advantage flips...ever so slightly, is because of the slight increase in blackjack at the 3:2 payoff. There are other much less important reasons like some of the double downs hit a bit more, but most of that advantage gained that allows the edge to flip ever so slightly is from a very small increase in blackjack.
But anyone who reads Mdawgs reports will have seen him say many, many times that he won the vast majority of his largest or Max bets. Again, that is just not how it work.
But it’s YOUR claims in this thread. And I’ll never understand why you perpetuated this lie. What did you have to gain? Obviously NOTHING. You did bring Max, a great poster, back but again WHY?
I’ve had my issues with you over the years but always believed your life story. And never doubted the BJ stories until now. Like V, I feel you screwed your believers over.
But as always, I’ll live. It’s sad seeing you in this situation, but you have no one to blame but yourself. Hopefully you look in the mirror and see what a mess you created (on these forums) for yourself.
I can and have answered that Boz. People aren't going to believe it, so there is no sense in me repeating it a million times, but I am happy to do so for your sake, and you too can decide what you believe. Everyone has always had that right, long before this incident.Originally Posted by The Boz
The back-rooming went down exactly as I shared. Illegal detention, arrest and back-rooming resulting in a fractured arm. NOT a compound fracture, where the bone is broke all the way through, a fracture, that heals in 6-8 weeks with a cast. I flip flopped in my mind weather to pursue anything for a couple weeks. Finally, I decided it just wasn't in my best long-term interest to do so. This is how I weigh most things.....long-term. My big concern was I was going to have to take a case all the way to trial and all my personal info would be released. And for what, a couple hundred grand, less 1/3 attorney fees.
So once I decided not to pursue anything I did share this experience, just as I always had. It was then that several players that I have a great deal of respect for, mickeycrimm, Dan Druff, axelwolf and oddly enough Maxpen, convinced me to reconsider that position. The big part of that was the suggestion that I should pursue a case to settlement rather than all the way to court. (of course you can't say that is what you are doing, you have to make it look like you are willing to go all the way).
So yes, it seems odd that a few people on an internet forum changed my mind, but that is what happened and I greatly appreciated and still do, their advice and opinions. I also heard from an AP friend not on this forum, that said the same thing. He had gone through a back-rooming case a while back.
If my initial decision would have been to pursue something I never would have said anything. So once I did change my mind, I was in trouble because I had already revealed this incident. I was out of town for a few weeks, but once the case go going with a demand letter, and negotiations, I began to see that there would be information about me and the case, that could become public. As that began to look more and more likely, I decided I could protect myself from this by announcing we had filed a case and settlement reached. That backfired spectacularly thanks to super sleuth Maxpen. I hold no ill feeling towards Maxpen for that.
It is only that last part that Maxpen was able to disprove. I actually received the settlement, which I came as close to saying an amount as I could (and it was not enough).
I can't and wouldn't even if I could, prove any of this. People can decide whatever they want and it is pretty clear they have. And that is fine with me. And if people want to decide that because Maxpen disproved part of this "ordeal" that everything I have ever said was made up.....well again, people have always had that right. I am ok with it.
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If we go way way back to when I was asked what I thought about KJ's claims directly related to your blackjack play. I noted a few odd things.Originally Posted by kewlJ
I said it's very possible/probable you were just adding a few zeroes to everything. Over the years after that, I started dismissing that as being probable and started believing that you were playing the limits you claim, and you were making what you claim.
Successful seeds planted.
I can't remember exactly what you said, it's been multiple times in multiple contexts but ill give the gist.
I have done and do business with known Advantage Players, they know who I am.
I know Bob N, he knows me I can call him anytime for some chitchat.
I'm not claiming you said any of those things directly, I'm saying you have said various things that planted seeds that could establish certainly be crafted in an attempt to establish some level of credibility.
Wasn't there some story about you making a deal with a publisher to write a book, but then you backed out of the contract and it cost you money or something like that?
Were my first instincts correct? Should I question and wonder about everything you ever said? Is it seriously elaborated, totally made up, partly true, or completely true? I'm not a KJ hater, but I really don't know what to think now.
Nope KJ, you LIED and I’m not sure why. But I still believe you are a what you claimed for years. To a degree.
As for MDawg, let’s show his own words from 2018. If you want to show the true MDawg explaining why he is the only guy in Vegas beating the casinos while being comped like a king over the past 5 years, I encourage you to check out WoV….before it disappears.
“The problem with counting at BJ is they end up either kicking you out, or, as they did to me, effectively banning by limiting my spread on bets to 3X my previous hand.
Also, counting isn't always what makes a BJ player win, you may be getting 12s and 13s all night long and keep perfect count of the deck and bet accordingly and still lose. A strong intuition of when to jump the bet on BJ (or any gambling) may rake in far more chips than careful grinding and counting. There is no count that justifies jumping the BJ bet 100X from your prior bet, and yet I used to do that all the time and win consistently.”
“All I know is that first years I played Baccarat I consistently killed the house, I mean I took them for well over a million, averaging a few hundred thousand a year net profit at Baccarat. And what is funny is that the only reason I was playing Bacc is because I was effectively banned from BJ at most of the casinos”
Interesting to say the least considering his current 5 year run.
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