More Absolute Proof VP "AP's" Are Nothing But Liars

[Vegas_lover]

redietz, this is really too much and absolutely over the line. You have an axe to grind against Dancer. I suggest you contact Dancer or post your comments on a forum where he participates.

+1, may I suggest the LVA forums?

[Rob.Singer]

redietz, this is really too much and absolutely over the line. You have an axe to grind against Dancer. I suggest you contact Dancer or post your comments on a forum where he participates.

Why is any of that over some line? If you've been reading some of the other forums the past several years, you'd see where even the most accommodating and kind posters have been voicing their extreme displeasure with how the guy runs his video poker life. He makes up scenarios just to mislead interested & honest players astray in order that his opportunity doesn't evaporate, he works with casinos to hurt fellow vp enthusiasts, and he lies about himself just to keep on selling his brand to unsuspecting others, which helps keep higher limit gambling money in his pocket.

Now move over to his wretched personal life. He wrote two perverted books on gambling & sex because he has a very sick mind, and for some reason he thought his readers might look at him as some sort of "macho" character who gambles, and the cocktail waitresses would swoon over and flirt with him whenever they ran into him in their casinos. A true sicko.

His twisted divorce was despicable enough, but the method and the way he went about "announcing" it along with newly discovered facts about it, have proven beyond any doubt that he will lie and deal from the very bottom of the deck, without any shame and regardless who it hurts, for the sole purpose of showing everyone that no one can show him up.

And you think one aspect of a pubic figure's life tells nothing about how he handles another aspect? The guy's a worm Alan, and time will only give us the opportunity to watch him keep diqging his life's hole that much deeper. It's unfortunate, but it is only because of the choices he has made.

[redietz]

The sad thing is that I have no ax to grind against Dancer. I just ask the obvious questions.

If you've read Dancer's columns over the last year or so (I've read maybe 80%), you'd see that his personal life is inserted and explained and defended in a large number of them, including one wherein he explained his new relationship at length, and one wherein he posted photos of he and his new lady friend on vacation. I'm surprised LVA didn't rein him in. Go ahead, look them up in the LVA archives. Read them. In any case, he gave details of how his new relationship ostensibly unfolded.

Now, since "Bob Dancer" is a fictional character and he uses fictional names for others, there is no law that says he had to accurately report these things. It turns out that he may have been less than forthright in his reportage. Any adults reading these columns would not have been surprised by this.

My questions are simple. If he's less than accurate when reporting material that most readers can't check from his personal life, why would one assume he's completely accurate when reporting material most readers cannot check from his gambling life? Video poker payback and proper strategy can be cross-referenced. Drawings odds cannot be -- therefore my question. Why does Alan consider Dancer's reportage of drawings odds factual with no other source to cross-check the material?

It might be because Dancer has demonstrated pristine reporting in the past. Has he? Remember the foggy details of his reporting of the Riviera promotion? His mysterious jumping of denominations in his book?

Since the value of the drawings has become increasingly a key element as to whether certain machines are play or no-play, this is not an irrelevant point.

[Vegas_lover]

My questions are simple. If he's less than accurate when reporting material that most readers can't check from his personal life, why would one assume he's completely accurate when reporting material most readers cannot check from his gambling life? Video poker payback and proper strategy can be cross-referenced. Drawings odds cannot be -- therefore my question. Why does Alan consider Dancer's reportage of drawings odds factual with no other source to cross-check the material?.

The same can be said about everything Singer has claimed. But at the same time he's condemning Dancer with everything he's got. But see what happend when some of us gave Singer the same approach as you and Singer are giving Dancer right now.....

As Alan said, he who lives in glass houses shouldn't shoot bullets.

[Alan Mendelson]

Why is any of that over some line? If you've been reading some of the other forums the past several years,

Oh... you mean your posts on other forums?

[Alan Mendelson]

redietz, you have every right to question Dancer about his methods and play and reliability, etc. And I think you should raise those questions in a forum such as videopoker.com where Dancer participates. While I allow the comments to be posted here in the interest of free and open discussion we haven't had anything new to discuss. It's just been a rehash of the same old thing. If we start rehashing things about Dancer someone is going to ask Rob about the records in the storage locker.

[redietz]

Fair enough. What I found weird about Dancer's "personal" columns was that he felt it necessary to broadcast his situation to the world at all. Then I realized it was one-way damage control -- his ex-wife had no way of really countering what Dancer was presenting to thousands of readers and listeners. It's not as if she had an LVA column and her own radio show.

As I said, I take what I can from Dancer and use it. The problem is that normal folks might swallow everything Dancer has to say and try to apply it, and that could be a really, really bad idea when it comes to playing negative games and relying on drawings and (non-guaranteed) cashback to allegedly flip those games into positive territory.

[Alan Mendelson]

As I said, I take what I can from Dancer and use it. The problem is that normal folks might swallow everything Dancer has to say and try to apply it,

I also take what I can from Dancer and use it. I doubt the general public uses and accepts everything he writes about. After all, how many people have his kind of money to throw at a promotion to win a car?

[Rob.Singer]

Oh... you mean your posts on other forums?

These past 3 or 4 years are the ones I'm talking about. In that timeframe, here and vpFree are all I've posted on, and I've given him a fair shake over there.

[Rob.Singer]

I also take what I can from Dancer and use it. I doubt the general public uses and accepts everything he writes about. After all, how many people have his kind of money to throw at a promotion to win a car?

I'd say lots of people do, only they're much more responsible with their lives than that. It also reflects on Dancer's personal life. He's a snake, an addicted vp gambler, and his value system is in the trash. Then he tries to compensate by throwing out things like how much tournaments or drawings are "worth", and since none of his assertions can be verified other than it being an underhanded attempt at dragging others in under a misled guise, well....you know the rest.

[Alan Mendelson]

an addicted vp gambler,

I am curious about this: how do you separate him as "an addicted vp gambler" from his business and profession which is writing about video poker and giving lessons and information about video poker? I would expect a video poker author and authority to also play video poker and to play in tournaments and promotions and to provide information about those events. Even when losing the information he provides is beneficial (not that I am going to throw thousands at trying to win a car, or anything like that).

I guess you could say I am addicted to marketing and advertising and Internet marketing because I am constantly reading and going to meetings and seminars about advertising and the Internet and marketing. I think I owe it to my clients to be up to date.

I think Dancer has an obligation to keep playing new games and promotions and at various casinos so he is up to date.

Gee Rob, do you think he also is able to deduct the cost of groceries when figuring his taxes?

[Rob.Singer]

The same can be said about everything Singer has claimed. But at the same time he's condemning Dancer with everything he's got. But see what happend when some of us gave Singer the same approach as you and Singer are giving Dancer right now.....

As Alan said, he who lives in glass houses shouldn't shoot bullets.

Sure the same can be said about me--by those who don't know me and/or have never met me. Dancer leads a dirty life, and how can anyone trust or believe anything about such an admitted sub-human?

[Rob.Singer]

I am curious about this: how do you separate him as "an addicted vp gambler" from his business and profession which is writing about video poker and giving lessons and information about video poker? I would expect a video poker author and authority to also play video poker and to play in tournaments and promotions and to provide information about those events. Even when losing the information he provides is beneficial (not that I am going to throw thousands at trying to win a car, or anything like that).

I guess you could say I am addicted to marketing and advertising and Internet marketing because I am constantly reading and going to meetings and seminars about advertising and the Internet and marketing. I think I owe it to my clients to be up to date.

I think Dancer has an obligation to keep playing new games and promotions and at various casinos so he is up to date.

Gee Rob, do you think he also is able to deduct the cost of groceries when figuring his taxes?

I do believe you're addicted to your profession, because of how addicted you are to gaming action. Traits usually aren't selective.

Dancer's profession only serves to define his entire life. When someone so completely encompasses oneself in gambling along with presenting himself as a representative of it's sleazy side, smart money says to stay away.

Yes, you're unable to divorce yourself from your fascination with my having deducted some groceries over my 11 year stint as a professional gambler. Try it....you'll like it. And don't worry. Your idol Obama won't send the IRS after you

[Vegas_lover]

Sure the same can be said about me--by those who don't know me and/or have never met me. Dancer leads a dirty life, and how can anyone trust or believe anything about such an admitted sub-human?

Your arrogance is more present than Dancer's. Most people who read Dancer's stuff will never know him or meet him. Most people who read your stuff will never know you and will most likely not even want to meet you. No difference so stop twisting things. You're in the same position as Dancer, being a known VP public person. Your behavoir towards your readers is way worse than Dancer's. So you're the last person to be judging Dancer even if he's an arrogant "whatever you want to call him" and messing up his life. In reality, in the pr department Dancer is way ahead of you. Not because the general public out there loves him, but because after reading your stuff most people really, really dislike you. Your online profile has got "God complex" written all over it. News flash Rob, the fact that you won some money (at least that's what you claim) and you say you're good to your family and friends doesn't make you any better than the rest of us. The more you demand to be recognized, the less you will receive it.

Enjoy the rest of your crusade.

[Alan Mendelson]

Here's your problem, Rob: you make judgments that you are not qualified to make. And you try to pass off your judgments as the gospel truth when in fact it appears to others that your judgments are merely attempts to make up for your own deficiencies. You have given us some examples:

I do believe you're addicted to your profession, because of how addicted you are to gaming action. Traits usually aren't selective.

Yes, I am addicted to my profession and admit it. Professionals often are addicted to their careers. Artists and writers are constantly creating. But you have decided that I am "addicted" to gaming action. Why? Is it because I use a player's card? May I remind you, Rob, that never in my life did I walk into a casino with $72,000 cash in my pocket nor did I ever chase my losses to the tune of $53,000. If my entertainment budget is an addiction -- then so be it.

Dancer's profession only serves to define his entire life. When someone so completely encompasses oneself in gambling along with presenting himself as a representative of it's sleazy side, smart money says to stay away.

Professionals usually do define their lives by their work. How do you define your life Rob? Again you pass judgment on his alleged "sleazy side." Rob, you have a tattoo. And to some that is a symbol of being sleazy. You claim to have won a million dollars playing video poker, and that too will appear to some to be sleazy. You regularly made trips to casinos only to gamble and not to enjoy players club benefits and because you only went to gamble and "beat the casinos" you will also appear to be sleazy. You're a gambler, Rob, and that to many people is sleazy. Being a winner doesn't make you less sleazy to those who say gamblers are sleazy.

Yes, you're unable to divorce yourself from your fascination with my having deducted some groceries over my 11 year stint as a professional gambler. Try it....you'll like it. And don't worry. Your idol Obama won't send the IRS after you

I wouldn't use the term "fascination." I would use the term "interested" and I really would like to see something from the IRS that says such deductions are okay. Heck Rob, if you have discovered a valid deduction I want to use it. I have asked several professionals since you made this claim and so far I haven't found one who says this would be valid. But I am interested in finding out.

[Rob.Singer]

Learn from me guys, and your time on here can never be thought of as wasted. And Alan, there's a distinct, noble difference between a person who gambles and has had to endure multiple divorces--which strongly suggests a problematic connection--and a person who gambles and has always had a stable marriage. Most people would get the hint, with or without the tattoo The same can be said of someone deeply immersed in the world of gambling, like Dancer....and his choices to write sleazy, perverted books, cheat on a sick wife, and run across the country totally unprepared for con men and the criminal element because he fancies himself as a macho gambler and big deal womanizer.

[Alan Mendelson]

Learn from me guys, and your time on here can never be thought of as wasted. And Alan, there's a distinct, noble difference between a person who gambles and has had to endure multiple divorces--which strongly suggests a problematic connection--and a person who gambles and has always had a stable marriage. Most people would get the hint, with or without the tattoo The same can be said of someone deeply immersed in the world of gambling, like Dancer....and his choices to write sleazy, perverted books, cheat on a sick wife, and run across the country totally unprepared for con men and the criminal element because he fancies himself as a macho gambler and big deal womanizer.

Rob, stop it. You are really reaching. You have gone so far you don't even make sense anymore.

[quahaug]

Rob, stop it. You are really reaching. You have gone so far you don't even make sense anymore.

I don't think He even realizes what He's saying. Or it's all just a goof to him if He does. SCH-C Rob!

[arcimede$]

Most of Singer's comments are pure projection. He is analyzing himself. When you realize this fact it all makes sense. He knows deep down that his behavior is immoral. In order to feel better about himself he forces himself to believe that everyone else is exactly like him. Hence, when he attacks Dancer, he is really attacking himself.

Also, I think we can now safely say that Singer's claims of sending in for tax forms to be sent to Alan was another lie. Added to all his other lies it should be getting pretty clear that nothing he says can be trusted.

[regnis]

Thank you Arci for bringing us full circle back to the phantom tax returns. Now can this thread end???