kewlJ

[MaxPen]

It absolutely is ridiculous. Not impossible but highly unlikely. He claims it was a progressive. Most machines with 6 figure progressives you can't even play free play on.

There was another story I remember about his partner hitting a $50k dealt royal with free play or something to that effect. I don't doubt that. Or I should say I didn't doubt that. But I pretty much doubt anything that dude says anymore.

He has also won a car. Pretty grand track record for someone who earned $20k yearly from machine play.

[AxelWolf]

It absolutely is ridiculous. Not impossible but highly unlikely. He claims it was a progressive. Most machines with 6 figure progressives you can't even play free play on.

I thought it was 50 or 100 play dealt RF or something like that?

[AxelWolf]

Does anyone have a link? A 100k VP progressive wouldn't be that hard to investigate.

[MaxPen]

It absolutely is ridiculous. Not impossible but highly unlikely. He claims it was a progressive. Most machines with 6 figure progressives you can't even play free play on.

I thought it was 50 or 100 play dealt RF or something like that?

That was the 50k hit from a long time ago. You have that, the 100k hit, and a vehicle.

[AxelWolf]

It absolutely is ridiculous. Not impossible but highly unlikely. He claims it was a progressive. Most machines with 6 figure progressives you can't even play free play on.

I thought it was 50 or 100 play dealt RF or something like that?

That was the 50k hit from a long time ago. You have that, the 100k hit, and a vehicle.

Well excuse me!!! I get all this fake crap confused.

50k prog? Are you sure it wasn't supposedly a multi-play machine? It's something I could believe given the right circumstances. I got dealt like 2 pairs one time using $500 in free play.

[MaxPen]

I thought it was 50 or 100 play dealt RF or something like that?

That was the 50k hit from a long time ago. You have that, the 100k hit, and a vehicle.

Well excuse me!!! I get all this fake crap confused.

50k prog? Are you sure it wasn't supposedly a multi-play machine? It's something I could believe given the right circumstances. I got dealt like 2 pairs one time using $500 in free play.

There was a story about a $50k multi hand VP hit.

There was a story about winning a car.

There was the latest story about winning $100k on $50 free play. This involved a slot progressive.

You all can believe whatever. This is all already adding up to 2 years of his claimed total lifetime income average. Always with the disclaimers about how insignificant these licks are. Just like the 4 years of income replacement from the lawsuit. Basically 25% of this guys lifetime earnings has come from these stories.

Think about it....RIP

[MDawg]

So you're saying that the List of UNKewl Lies needs to be updated?

Well then...


The eleven most major UNKewl lies I can think of concern (1) his lie about Moses showing up at a condo he claimed he lived at, (2) a condo it turned out that he has no ownership in, (3) his faking his own death, (4) lying about ever having been robbed, (5) the nonsense about MGM execs showing up at his apartment on Halloween to give him player records on someone who isn't even MDawg, (6) the backrooming lawsuit, (7) the lie about being doxxed, or ever having his name placed in any casino database, (8) the rigged shuffler, (9) $50. free play for $100K win on a slot progressive, (10) $50K multi hand VP hit, (11) winning a car.

That rigged shuffler story, besides not making any sense, reaffirmed in my mind that this guy really doesn't play much table games, because I'd expect such nonsense from a recreational player, not a card counter.


Wow. Not a double wow, but more of an eleven-fold wow.

[Rob.Singer]

Wait! Kew won a car, $100k off of some freeplay, and another $50k on hundred-play?

Was he playing monopoly? Why count cards when you can get -EV lucky!?

[MDawg]

What are the odds that all eleven of the above lies could even be true?

What are the odds that these three (8), (9), (10) could be true given his feeble coin in?

The eleven most major UNKewl lies I can think of concern

...

(9) $50. free play for $100K win on a slot progressive, (10) $50K multi hand VP hit, (11) winning a car.

Pretty grand track record for someone who earned $20k yearly from machine play.

Isn't this lying hypocrite's whole schtick over that things "can't be" because of dah math, dah math...and because he Says So?

[kewlJ]

I see the haters are going off the rails again.

MaxPen: For 8 or 9 years yes 20% of my income was from Machine play. That amounted to about 20k a year. But remember that was only my half. My partner and I earned on average 40k a year from this method. And you know how averages work. There were some years above that, some below.

Mickeycrimm is right, most of this play was putting through massive amounts of coin at just slightly -EV video poker, in which the mailer bonus and stuff made the play +EV. And the hidden value in this was many, many contests and drawings that we were entered into as a result of all this play. Hundreds of contests and drawings. We happened to win a couple big one, like the truck I won. Another perk was free entry into the weekly football contest at Palms, which, normally cost $100 entry fee. I happened to win the contest one of the weeks for 10k. Like I said hidden value.

My partner did hit a dealt royal on a 50 play machine. This was counted into that 20k (for each of us average. Obviously that year was above that average.

My partner also hit 100k jackpot on a progressive slot machine. This was at an out of town casino as a new signup they matched tiers from existing accounts, and I forget if we each got $25 for a total of $50, or each got $50 for a total of $100 freeplay. That location had no video poker, So I just told him to go ahead and play whatever he wanted and he hit a progressive jackpot. I don't remember but I don't think it was technically that free play. He had permission to play that original free play stake through until he hit something or lost it. He was there for a little while before the hit, so I am guessing it wasn't technically that initial free play stakes, but still the money being churned from it.

THAT money was divided 3 ways as by that time, my partner and myself were also partnering with my brother on the machine play stuff. And I didn't count that money as part of my AP income, because to me it wasn't from advantage play, much like I don't count my recent settlement money as advantage play earnings, although you could make a case it indirectly was, just as you could make the case that the higher sign up bonus we got was a result of our previous play and higher tier. It is just me but when I say I have made xxx from advantage play, I want it to be things directly related to that advantage play, not because my partner happened to get lucky on everyday gambling, or because of some back-room incident.

The fact is that everything I claim advantage play -wise, was +EV and supported by the math. And if you could hide the name of the person writing, no AP would question anything because it is how things work. Unlike both Mdawg and Singer that repeatedly claim things that defy the math or how things (and Las Vegas) works. If you hid the names of all three and people read the claims and were asked to pick which ones were legit and which weren't most of my claims would be picked as legit and most of Singers and Mdawgs wouldn't be. But that is not where we are or how we do thing. Now it is about who likes who and who's side you are on, and that kind of shit.

I am tired of playing that game and really tired of all the games being played here, and especially by this Mdog person, a previously banned baccarat player making ridiculous claims, who has now expanded his number and types of ridiculous claims.

[kewlJ]

Today at WoV, this guy Mdog posted a picture of (5) $1000 promo chips, and a picture of $451,000 in regular casino chips and said some kind of comment about turning the first into the second. He didn't exactly say he turned $5000 in promo chips to $451k, but used some funny wording like this can happen.

This was just another attempt to mislead people. That is all this dude has ever been about. I thought I was the only one that finds this in direct conflict to what Michael Shacklefords Forum was supposed to be about (helping people be better gamblers), but I saw that Axelwolf also thinks that and said so.

These forums have just gotten ridiculous. I believe Singer and his many years of nonsense, bullshit claims, opened the door and encouraged, Mdawg to do the same, and Mdawg has now opened the door and encouraged EvenBob to make the same kind of claims. What the fuck happened to the days when people siad that's not the way it works like everyone did with Alan for so many years. And Alan wasn't like these guys I just mentioned, in that he didn't set out to mislead anyone, he just somehow, got confused as to what he saw, or mis-remembered what he saw. These guys it is intentional.

But either way there has to be a very low bar of not defying the math. And these guys have NEVER met that low bar.

[kewlJ]

Now let me tell you how you can spot these people. When legitimate players challenge their claims on the basis of the math or not being how things really work, they can't answer those legitimate challenges, so these people engage on a campaign to discredit whoever made those challenges. Singer did this with everybody, Mdawg does this with everybody. He is now engaged in that same campaign with Axelwolf. When you can't answer for the math, you have to try to discredit the person, much like a lawyer will try to discredit a witness.

Compare that to myself. I fight with people....a lot of people on forums. Usually these very type of people. But there have been plenty of legit AP's that have challenged or questioned something I said. Have you ever seen me start trying to discredit them? Mickeycrimm, Maxpen, Axelwolf, Zenking in his rants at times, and other AP's have questioned things I said. Did I ever fire back that your aren't a real AP or winning player and don't know what you are talking about?

As soon as these guys start a campaign to smear and discredit someone, you know they have no answer for legitimate challenges of what they are claiming.

[coach belly]

As soon as these guys start a campaign to smear and discredit someone, you know they have no answer for legitimate challenges of what they are claiming.

Isn't that exactly what you did when Alan challenged your claim of counting 2 tables?

That's where your antisemitism was originally revealed, which eventually led to the Mendelbread comments.

[kewlJ]

As soon as these guys start a campaign to smear and discredit someone, you know they have no answer for legitimate challenges of what they are claiming.

Isn't that exactly what you did when Alan challenged your claim of counting 2 tables?

That's where your antisemitism was originally revealed, which eventually led to the Mendelbread comments.

A little bit. BUT, Alan was not an AP. Nor by his own admission did he play or know much about blackjack. Something Rob also admitted to. So you had these guys attacking me, about things they had no clue about. Over the years I explained a lot of things about what I did and things like +EV and how different things worked to Alan and he just didn't get it or more likely didn't want to get it or maybe even pretended not to get it.

And Alan did frustrate me that night with the picture he posted trying to say that blurry picture was representative of what someone would see. That just dishonest. If that is really what Alan saw when he looked towards the next table, the man shouldn't have been driving, nor probably even walking around. But I don't want to pick on Alan. He is gone and missed by many on these forums, although most won't admit to that.

You can believe whatever you like coach smelly, but I am non anti-semetic. I like Jews. Jewish guys are mostly attractive looking at least until these hit 30 and start growing hair all over like an orangutang. Alan just frustrated me, so I said the nastiest thing I could think of, in accordance to the "rules" of a troll forum.

[MaxPen]

I see the haters are going off the rails again.

MaxPen: For 8 or 9 years yes 20% of my income was from Machine play. That amounted to about 20k a year. But remember that was only my half. My partner and I earned on average 40k a year from this method. And you know how averages work. There were some years above that, some below.

Mickeycrimm is right, most of this play was putting through massive amounts of coin at just slightly -EV video poker, in which the mailer bonus and stuff made the play +EV. And the hidden value in this was many, many contests and drawings that we were entered into as a result of all this play. Hundreds of contests and drawings. We happened to win a couple big one, like the truck I won. Another perk was free entry into the weekly football contest at Palms, which, normally cost $100 entry fee. I happened to win the contest one of the weeks for 10k. Like I said hidden value.

My partner did hit a dealt royal on a 50 play machine. This was counted into that 20k (for each of us average. Obviously that year was above that average.

My partner also hit 100k jackpot on a progressive slot machine. This was at an out of town casino as a new signup they matched tiers from existing accounts, and I forget if we each got $25 for a total of $50, or each got $50 for a total of $100 freeplay. That location had no video poker, So I just told him to go ahead and play whatever he wanted and he hit a progressive jackpot. I don't remember but I don't think it was technically that free play. He had permission to play that original free play stake through until he hit something or lost it. He was there for a little while before the hit, so I am guessing it wasn't technically that initial free play stakes, but still the money being churned from it.

THAT money was divided 3 ways as by that time, my partner and myself were also partnering with my brother on the machine play stuff. And I didn't count that money as part of my AP income, because to me it wasn't from advantage play, much like I don't count my recent settlement money as advantage play earnings, although you could make a case it indirectly was, just as you could make the case that the higher sign up bonus we got was a result of our previous play and higher tier. It is just me but when I say I have made xxx from advantage play, I want it to be things directly related to that advantage play, not because my partner happened to get lucky on everyday gambling, or because of some back-room incident.

The fact is that everything I claim advantage play -wise, was +EV and supported by the math. And if you could hide the name of the person writing, no AP would question anything because it is how things work. Unlike both Mdawg and Singer that repeatedly claim things that defy the math or how things (and Las Vegas) works. If you hid the names of all three and people read the claims and were asked to pick which ones were legit and which weren't most of my claims would be picked as legit and most of Singers and Mdawgs wouldn't be. But that is not where we are or how we do thing. Now it is about who likes who and who's side you are on, and that kind of shit.

I am tired of playing that game and really tired of all the games being played here, and especially by this Mdog person, a previously banned baccarat player making ridiculous claims, who has now expanded his number and types of ridiculous claims.

So for 8.5 years you and your partner, brother, and whoever netted out $400k. This resulted in 3 licks amounting to half of that win. Most of which was grinding VP mailers. So it is even more preposterous than I thought. This is not how things work.

The way things work with people who grind mail like that is any outlier events that do occur do not even result in more than a blip on a chart of their EV trajectory. I like how the $100k hit is not technically from the $50 in free play now that you learned there are hardly any six figure progressives that would even accept free play.

Now let me tell you how you can spot these people. .

[coach belly]

I am non anti-semetic.

Sure you are...that's what the Mendelbread comment was all about.

And he didn't attack you, he politely questioned your claim.

I concurred with Alan, and that's when you accused me of a crime, which you continued to do for years.

That was a campaign to smear and discredit someone, for a legitimate challenge of what you were claiming.

Wasn't it?

[kewlJ]

So for 8.5 years you and your partner, brother, and whoever netted out $400k. This resulted in 3 licks amounting to half of that win. Most of which was grinding VP mailers. So it is even more preposterous than I thought. This is not how things work.

My brother was only part of our machine play partnership for 1 year, maybe a year and a half. My partner passed away just a couple years after my brother moved to Vegas. And I just explained that the 100k progressive jackpot wasn't even counted as part of our AP winnings, so you are just repeating what you want, not what is. or was.

[MaxPen]

So for 8.5 years you and your partner, brother, and whoever netted out $400k. This resulted in 3 licks amounting to half of that win. Most of which was grinding VP mailers. So it is even more preposterous than I thought. This is not how things work.

My brother was only part of our machine play partnership for 1 year, maybe a year and a half. My partner passed away just a couple years after my brother moved to Vegas. And I just explained that the 100k progressive jackpot wasn't even counted as part of our AP winnings, so you are just repeating what you want, not what is. or was.

No, you netted out $400k in winnings. I rounded up to give benefit of doubt. When really you claimed$340k.

Then you had 3 licks totalling half the amount of the total wins. A roughly 50% bonus if you will......lol

It's unbelievable. But I will let other people decide for themselves. There is nothing left to say.

[kewlJ]

I am non anti-semetic.

Sure you are...that's what the Mendelbread comment was all about.

I concurred with Alan,

You concurred with Alan did you? Did you drive from that Jersey swampland where you live to Caesars or T.I. or wherever Alan went that night at 3am, and look at the table configuration?

No!! You just made up your mind about something you likely knew nothing about.

The concept of tracking a second table wasn't even anything new. When a player adopts the hit-and-run style needed to play today and starts playing short sessions, and aggressively exiting negative counts, he just starts looking for that next opportunity or table before he has even left the first. That is a natural progression. No one even has to teach this.

After I mentioned it and there was discussion about it, I asked and learned that many, many card counters had employed this techniques through the years, including some well know players, like Schlesinger and Munchkin, as well as a player I speak to privately that is well known that doesn't want his name/handle even mentioned here.

This whole tracking a second table discussion was a case of people who didn't t play the game or count cards and didn't know, talking shit about something they had no clue about. People out of their lane talking as if they knew something when they didn't have a clue.

[AxelWolf]

So for 8.5 years you and your partner, brother, and whoever netted out $400k. This resulted in 3 licks amounting to half of that win. Most of which was grinding VP mailers. So it is even more preposterous than I thought. This is not how things work.

My brother was only part of our machine play partnership for 1 year, maybe a year and a half. My partner passed away just a couple years after my brother moved to Vegas. And I just explained that the 100k progressive jackpot wasn't even counted as part of our AP winnings, so you are just repeating what you want, not what is. or was.

I totally missed the 100k VP prog hit. Link, please. You are super lucky. I played Million of Spins of slots and Hands of VP over the years and only hit 1 for over 100k. and 1 for 50k(I made very little for myself on those) and I have played $100 slots and VP at times.