The WoV Thread

[Treeshade]

Honestly, the only Administrative action that BBB ever did that I highly disagreed with was trying to shut down DarkOz when he was discussing something strictly topical to gambling. Neither DarkOz nor the forum have any responsibility not to discuss AP-related things and I find it endlessly amusing that people would get pissed off about such discussions taking place on WoV, but then be part of gambling Twitter, Discord, whatever.

Oh, but there are definitely no casino operatives infiltrating Discord or reading posts on Twitter that are also literally public. lol

Seriously, you are comparing what happens or is allowed at the garbage heaps that are twitter and discord to WoV? Advantage players are in a constant battle with the casinos we play. We don't expect WoV of all forums to be part of that fight destroying opportunities. So, yes, I believe WoV DOES have a responsibility to protect such opportunities by not publishing them.

I can think of at least two times when the man that started that forum, intentionally destroyed opportunities for others. One being the Plaza promotion, where he didn't just mention it, but specifically laid out how to beat it and how much that was worth in terms of profit each hour. The result was the best machines were pulled from that promotion, even before it started.

The second one was personal to me. My brother and I were camped out in Colorado for a couple weeks playing a nice profitable blackjack side bet. Again Wizard posted exactly step by step how to beat that side bet and what it was worth. Almost immediately, I think the next day, the amount allowed to wager on the side bet was reduced by 75%, which all but killed any profit from it.

In both these cases, I believe Wizard decided he wasn't going to play these opportunities, so he killed them for everyone....just because he could. He couldn't just wait until after each had played out and then revealed the math, for the sake of revealing the math.

Intentionally doing this is taking money from players.

I apologize for missing this post, somehow.

First of all, there's a bit more to it than just Twitter and Discord.

You see, when I got raked over the coals, it was for Nuking a post (not the poster) that linked to a site that Doxxed, in particular, WoN/SAP's wife. Naturally, Doxxing anyone is not permitted on the site, so that is a pretty clear cut rule that I had to uphold. For upholding this rule, in the context of being a Forum Admin, many individuals (some AP's) raked me over the coals.

Fast forward a little under two years and DarkOz makes his posts describing plays. I strongly suspect that some AP's, probably some of the same ones who went after me on the SAP/WoN thing, got in BBB's ear about shutting DarkOz down. I wouldn't be shocked if I were to discover that BBB was in on some plays as I understand she was dappling in all of that---which I gather from Monet's posts here. If that is the case, which I don't know, she'd have also been shutting DarkOz down out of selfish motivations to preserve future opportunity for financial gain for herself. In other words, nothing legitimately to do with Forum Rules or policy whatsoever.

As you may or may not recall, some of these same individuals who I suspect of getting in BBB's ear also attempted (though within the rules) to discredit DarkOz at every opportunity. This had been going on for a year, if not more, though I am sure they would describe it as, "Just fucking with him." BBB came up with some half-baked argument about not sharing info on plays for revenge, as if that would somehow violate any Forum Rules, and, it would seem, started to go after DarkOz on that basis.

Not being an Administrator, I have no idea what put an end to that. I will say that DarkOz' story (both of the play and personal) was interesting enough, and he seemed willing enough to discuss it, that it would make for a good article in my series of articles I was writing at the time. With that, I asked if he would be willing to do that and he was.

So, basically you end up with I think BBB going after DarkOz for pressure that I believe she was getting behind the scenes to shut him up...though I could be wrong about that. If there was such pressure behind the scenes, to get her to Nuke DarkOz for some rule that she had just made up off of the top of her head that you can't discuss AP for revenge purposes, then I imagine it came from some of the same people who wanted to come after me for, God forbid, actually having the audacity to enforce clear Forum Rules.

Which of course makes all involved hypocrites, at least, if all of my suspicions are accurate. I'm really not surprised that some would be hypocrites. That said, I do understand the actions, and logic behind the actions, as it relates to all parties involved. Personally, were I DarkOz, I'd have started singing long before that---don't piss me off. The only reason that I don't talk about as much stuff as I could theoretically talk about is because many on the AP side of things have been kind and reasonable to me.

I really don't give a shit about your opportunities, the opportunities of other AP's or even my own opportunities because I'm not a fucking hypocrite. You either like free speech, or you don't; a statement is either true, or it is untrue. Also, you're the last person who should ever be suggesting that WoV owes you anything whatsoever; should I quote the Collected Encyclopedia Brittanica Full Set's worth of your lifetime posts (everywhere) that trash Wizard personally? What the fuck could the site possibly owe you?

The site has rules. If you're an Admin, then your job is to keep and enforce the rules. There's no rule that says you can't discuss AP, and certainly, AP is sometimes discussed. Perhaps the lesson is that if you treat people reasonably, then they will be less-inclined to publicly disclose the AP playbook. Shit, I almost went into great detail on some stuff out of pure spite, at one point, but I had other people who are AP's to also think about. Just because I wouldn't necessarily share some stuff doesn't mean that others can't.

DarkOz was the first to share the Plaza tax promotion, as I recall. Wizard just analyzed the thing. Wizard actually doesn't publicly disclose nearly as much stuff as he theoretically could. Also, Wizard analyzed it for Video Poker, which was actually far from being the best EV play for that promotion. Dancer said no VP killed it, which I disagreed with him about. Of course, I don't believe I publicly shared what would have been better plays, but I assure you, there are FAR better plays.

So what about you and your brother's play? Did you tip Wizard as to the play and then he published it and analyzed it? You don't fucking own side bets. If he wants to analyze a side bet, then he can analyze a side bet. I'll tepidly agree with you if he heard about the play directly from you.

Besides, you talked, at length, about your card counting experiences and tips for doing that. Is AP allowed to be discussed only on condition that you approve the specific subject matter? Again, hypocrite.

Anyway, just be less greedy and you won't care. If I'm doing something and it gets killed, I really don't give a shit.

I don’t think what Darkoz likes to run his mouth about should be discussed. First he only talks about things after he gets shut down or his crew (often late to the party) get thrown out, and or shut down. He certainly does it out of spite not to educate or help others, but only for recognition. Most plays in this discipline get ruined when he shows up. He Basically is a complete idiot who’s bravado in the casino destroys lucrative opportunities. I have countless examples over the years how sloppy, and unprofessional he is. No wonder the guy just looks for clout online.

As far as Card counting, and the math on casino promotions these things have been discussed over and over again for years. There are countless books on the subject so I don’t think talking about these things are that big of a deal. I don’t even have a problem with people talking about bonus slots. However when you are openly discussing slot machine gaffs, or procedural flaws at certain casinos I think the mods should remove those things.

[jbjb]

DO has nobody nor any "crew".

[Mission146]

I don’t think what Darkoz likes to run his mouth about should be discussed. First he only talks about things after he gets shut down or his crew (often late to the party) get thrown out, and or shut down. He certainly does it out of spite not to educate or help others, but only for recognition. Most plays in this discipline get ruined when he shows up. He Basically is a complete idiot who’s bravado in the casino destroys lucrative opportunities. I have countless examples over the years how sloppy, and unprofessional he is. No wonder the guy just looks for clout online.

As far as Card counting, and the math on casino promotions these things have been discussed over and over again for years. There are countless books on the subject so I don’t think talking about these things are that big of a deal. I don’t even have a problem with people talking about bonus slots. However when you are openly discussing slot machine gaffs, or procedural flaws at certain casinos I think the mods should remove those things.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but as relates BBB/WoV, the question is whether or not he has the right to discuss it on the Forum---if he chooses.

As far as Forum Rules go, the answer to that question is indubitably yes; how can a gambling forum sanction someone for discussing a subject having directly to do with gambling?

With that, from a standpoint of Forum Administration, there's not really a 'should' or 'should not' as to this matter. Should people be allowed to post about gambling if they follow all other rules? Yes. That's literally why the website exists.

From an AP perspective, I tend to agree with you. At the same time, I enjoyed talking to Darkoz in the interview, which was also good and he can reach out to me to bullshit anytime he wants, as he knows.

The point of the matter is I got all kinds of pressure behind the scenes not to write that series of articles or interview Darkoz---whatever. The difference, at least the difference I suspect, is that people trying to pressure me behind the scenes makes it substantially less likely that I will refrain from the action that they want me to refrain from. The best part of it was that I hadn't ever done any business with many of these people---who are they to tell me what to do? Who are they to cuss me? What the fuck could I possibly owe them? Not to mention that a few of them were the same ones who came at me over the other thing.

All is forgiven on my end now, of course.

Let's assume that he was doing it out of spite---why would he be spiteful? Could it be because everyone on the Forum tried to discredit and take little shots at him, at every opportunity, for over a year? Honestly, in any other context, I'd probably agree with you that he shouldn't have talked about certain things. It's kind of hard to blame him when people are challenging everything he says and trying to make sport of him when he doesn't go into detail; so what did he do? He went into detail. All of a sudden, other APs on the Forum wanted to take him seriously.

As far as destroying the opportunities when he appears, I would have no idea as to any of that. To this day, I've still never worked with him on anything. At this point, I probably wouldn't work with him or anyone. I don't care that much about money and people are too much hassle. Best just to do everything by myself even if it's not as lucrative.

Obviously, I disagree with your position on what the mods should do. If it's gambling related, then it should be allowed to remain. You know, BBB had actually suspended him with an eye towards Nuking him from the Forum---all for discussing gambling matters. I do hope all is well with her, but to call that anything short of an egregious abuse of her position as Administrator would be an understatement, imo. An abuse, I suspect, that was carried out because she caved to pressure behind the scenes---though I could be wrong.

[Mission146]

DO has nobody nor any "crew".

Whatever the case, just call him AOL, because he's definitely got mail.

[The Boz]

Alan was fine, he liked me and he knew I won at the casinos, so saying that he was against anyone who won, is incorrect. He didn't like UNKewlJ, but nowadays, who does? I commented a while back that Boz was sounding more and more like ulp UNKewlJ, and this theory of that anyone against APs is against them because he's jealous, puts him more in line with UNKewlJ.

Alan was just stubborn, and most of us here are the same, some of the older ones more than the rest.

He died. Whether he died with a lot or a little I think he lived his life the way he wanted.

Interesting take.

How did Alan “know” you won? He might have believed your stories of being up overall (which makes him the only one) because they fit his dream of the math being wrong. And he didn’t believe you had any advantage, so hearing you claim to win made you an ally to him.

As for the BS claim I think everyone against AP is jealous, wrong. But I absolutely believe Alan WAS as jealous as they come. It ate him up that others understood math and made money gambling while he lost his fortune over the years because he refused to accept math. Maybe he did live the life he wanted for much of it, but if the last few years were how he planned it, he needed a better life planner because to most it was beyond sad.

You keep trying to link me with KJ so I’ll say it again. The guy is a proven LIAR, so he fits in with you, I and almost everyone else that posts here.

[MDawg]

UnKewlJ is mentally ill. You know what has been said about you. So there's that as well.

Based on the different sorts of posts UNKewlJ has made and conflicting ways he interacts with people including in person, UNKewlJ is clearly mentally ill.

One sign of mental illness is inability to recognize it in oneself, where it appears plain as day to others.

And then you claimed that you ratted me out with letters to casinos. UNKewlJ has threatened the same sort of thing. You doxxed me with a name you pulled out a hat, by sending that name to UNKewlJ and to others, and UNKewlJ has run with it doxxing ever since, side by side! with you

You seem to like repeating the same things about "dah math" and "who is lying" and such. Seems you can't let go of a talking point, it sticks in your craw for good, same as UNKewlJ.

You have no idea what I am or am not doing in the casinos, and yet you like to draw conclusions, same as UNKewlJ.

The things that people say online about you seem to bother you, same as UNKewlJ - even to the point where you threaten or do this or that if you're disturbed enough (same as UNKewlJ).

You got nuked off WOV after losing control of yourself, same as UNKewlJ.

Might as well just move in alongside baby bro.

[The Boz]

UnKewlJ is mentally ill. It's been said that you are too. So there's that as well.

It seems that you're not mentally stable, based on the different sorts of posts you have made and the conflicting ways you have interacted with people in person, at least according to what I have been told. UNKewlJ is most definitely the same.

A sure sign of mental illness is inability to recognize it in oneself, where it appears plain as day to others.

And then you claimed that you ratted me out with letters to casinos. UNKewlJ has threatened the same sort of thing. You doxxed me with a name you pulled out a hat, by sending that name to UNKewlJ and to others, and UNKewlJ has run with it doxxing ever since, side by side! with you

You like to keep repeating the same things about "dah math" and "who is lying" and such. You can't let go of a talking point, it sticks in your craw for good, same as UNKewlJ.

You have no idea what I am or am not doing in the casinos, and yet you like to draw conclusions, same as UNKewlJ.

The things that people say online about you seem to bother you, same as UNKewlJ - even to the point where you threaten or do this or that if you're disturbed enough (same as UNKewlJ).

Might as well just move in alongside baby bro.

Not at all. I’m all good, trust me or don’t.

But I drive you nuts because I see you exactly for what you are. A very thin skinned little man who can’t stand that I, or no one else believes your made up stories of grandeur. You obsess on those who call you out and try and insult them directly or indirectly. You obsess in a way that’s not normal for anyone, let alone a supposed lawyer worth $50 million plus. Again, based on YOUR claims of stocks and bitcoin owned and when you bought it. It’s not normal.

The pictures you posted of all the pills you claim to take on a daily basis might explain some of it, but there is more to it. Something happened to you to make you feel so inferior to others to the point you need to lie to claim to be something you aren’t.

But I’m not going to play your games. It’s exactly what you want and unlike KJ I’m not going to give you your jollies. So go fuck yourself cuck! And THAT’s what others have told me about YOU!

And I’m not accepting the friend request you sent me on here. That will show you!

[MDawg]

If anything you or anyone else said bothered me, you'd know.

But it is clear that what people say about you bothers you, and that you are bothered by what people claim about themselves, because you've been driven to nonsense like the ratfinking casino letters, the doxxing, actual actions of a man who is obsessed.

One characteristic you do not share with UNKewlJ is ability to act reasonable at times - with UNKewlJ there is always that tension as he is fighting to maintain composure. You're fine much of time, but clearly not always.

[kewlJ]

The hypocrisy and Hate of Mdawg.

1.) Mdawg called Boz a liar today, along with stating for the 1000th time that I am a liar. yet no mention of the many lies Mdawg has posted and been caught in, from the "mid 7 figure dollar Las Vegas mansion", to 7 months of winning wiped away with one "about even" statement, to $100- $5000 spreads playing blackjack for 10 straight hours, to winning 50 blackjack hands in a row, to the continuing almost daily accounts of winning every day, while the casinos don't care, to the completely preposterous stuff he continues to repeat, like Male prostitute, and homeless shit. tell us again, who the liar is Mdawg?

This act that Mdawg does is an attempt to demonize someone he doesn't like or has challenged his ridiculous "adventure story". At least both Boz (today) and myself have admitted that we lied at times. I had my reasons. I won't speak for Boz. But this guy Mdog like Singer, continues on with his lies doubling, tripling down when everyone knows they are lying.

2.) Very similarly, Mdawg started calling me mentally ill a couple years ago now. And now others here have followed his lead. Mdawg says this about others like Boz today and Axelwolf and others. Is Mdawg or anyone on this forum qualified to speculate on the mental illness or stability of anyone else? Of course not! This is yet another attempt to demonize those who have dared challenge his ridiculous "story".

Mdawg had been doing this for years now. If you need further proof, just visit that forum that he advertises in his signature and you will see more than a dozen individual threads attacking people (some members here), each bearing the name of someone that dared challenge his story. This demonizing of anyone who dares challenge his claim is his defense.

3.) This week I saw Mdawg attack WoV ex-moderater BBBabs, who I know a number of people don't like. What was pretty remarkable about this was that Mdawg posted word for word things said, years before he bagan posting, or at least began posting as Mdawg. he has done this with me, many times as well, going back to other forums, long before "Mdawg" appeared and quoting things said. Sure someone can go back and read, but why would someone go back and read to put themselves right smack in the middle of that. Clearly this person is not some new-ish member that began posting in 2019. Clearly he is a re-incarnated member, who likely was banned at WoV. I mean isn't this new name-identity, one of the biggest lies of all?


I am sure it hasn't gone unnoticed and is probably welcome by the KJ haters that I have stepped back some from this and other forums. It just isn't worth engaging with people like Mdawg and AinQ on a daily basis. And it changes nothing about me, who I am or what I do, despite anything they make up of say. The lunacy just keeps coming no matter what.

[MDawg]

Seems you can't let go of a talking point, it sticks in your craw for good, same as UNKewlJ.

He posts long-winded, rambling drama-laced "I NEED TO set the record straight or I'll go OUT OF MY MIND!" paragraphs that never seem to satisfy, as he then repeats the same things over and over again.

You have no idea what I am or am not doing in the casinos, and yet you like to draw conclusions, same as UNKewlJ.

[MisterV]

The Dawg shits himself on gambling forums and is surprised that others laugh at him.

Bad Dawg.

[Gottlob1]

And I’m not accepting the friend request you sent me on here. That will show you!

I did, but, it gummed up my profile page, in terms of most of it becoming MDawg's posts, and, so, I removed him as friend, which can't mean anything online, anyway. I accept all thus requests, but, ended up rejecting all of the others because of their weird behavior after.

[MaxPen]

It's pretty dumb this site has a friend request feature when a person can't even like a post...RIP

[MDawg]

It's def an RIP situation with UNKewlJ in that he's already dead, but just forgot to lie down.

[MDawg]

Mdawg called Boz a liar today

More evidence of UNKewlJ's lying mentally ill ways. He sees what he wants to see.

I called Boz a few different things today, but not a liar. His misinterpreting Alan's intent doesn't make him a liar.

Assuming "baby bro" exists, schizophrenia must run in their family and be accepted, otherwise anyone reading over his brother's SChiZoPHreNiC UNKewl PYsCHo babble would immediately call the local county psychiatric hospital. It's disturbing to anyone normal to even try to follow the train of his UNKewl thought.

Nothing about your online blackjack persona is real. However over the years you have in an attempt to legitimize this persona revealed personal information about yourself. Clearly you have a mental disorder stemming from the traumatic day spent with neighbor Guy as a young boy.

You must have a mental problem

KewlJ is clearly mentally ill.

seriously mentally deranged

Like I said, it must be mental illness.

We all know that tewlj is mentally ill

it is hard to ignore the deterioration of his mental faculties.

Mentally Unstable.

mentally ill redchipper

you are really mentally ill.

Its absolutely astonishing that an emotional and mental wreck, ( possibly physical) like the UNKOOL1 can go in on a near daily basis for a few hours a day and be able to focus and apply his trade. Outside of this he has absolutely no self control whatsoever. What a damaged individual !

What's obvious is that besides being a compulsive liar, that UNKewlJ is mentally ill. Only mental illness could explain the erratic back and forth quitting forums, lying, admitting lies, disavowing lies, and the torrential flow of illogic and manic repeating himself the same way with most every post.

Psychiatry, clinical psychology. Impulse-control disorder (ICD) is a class of psychiatric disorders characterized by impulsivity – failure to resist a temptation, an urge, or an impulse; or having the inability to not speak on a thought. That's the UNKewl one to a T!
He knows it is in his best interests to abandon these forums and mind his own low level red to green chip business and yet...he can't help himself!

[accountinquestion]

How many pages is the Kewl dossier?

[MDawg]

"AxelAss" is a pansy. For all his talk about "I don't care if I get suspended" he bought a pussy ticket from Gordo when Gordo asked him to clarify what he meant in a suspendable post.

Which means then that AWolf's intended meaning is that:



because he's afraid (Say 'fraid, AxelWolf, Say 'fraid ) to say otherwise at WOV.

He's not alone. Lot of these guys, act tough then when asked what their post means, rather than get suspended, give a sly, stupid look and come-on with some double-talk.

[AxelWolf]

"AxelAss" is a pansy. For all his talk about "I don't care if I get suspended" he bought a pussy ticket from Gordo when Gordo asked him to clarify what he meant in a suspendable post.

Which means then that AWolf's intended meaning is that:



because he's afraid (Say 'fraid, AxelWolf, Say 'fraid ) to say otherwise at WOV.

He's not alone. Lot of these guys, act tough then when asked what their post means, rather than get suspended, give a sly, stupid look and come-on with some double-talk.

Despite your b******* lies/stories on the forums perhaps you are a hell of a guy in real life, I don't know, I'm easy, I like most people, I've had some pretty odd and crazy friends throughout the years. I can count on a few fingers of people that I actually hate.

I generally get along with most people in real life, I'm sure there are people that I rub the wrong way immediately, usually because I've said something offensive, or they're fairly conservative in nature. I've learned I don't give a shit, I don't want to be around those types of people. I don't have the desire or need to have those types of people in my life, I don't care what they have to offer or who they are.

Yes, there you go AGIAN with misquoting/skewing someone's intentions. Please take a screenshot of the entire post he made. Yeah, he's basically calling you a liar and a dumbass.

[MDawg]

As usual

AWolf is on a completely different page, Lost in Space.

I know what Ace2 was trying to say, your thinking that you needed to spell it out is why you're Lost in Space and don't even understand the point of my post, but the point is that you were afraid to commit to what you were trying to say at WOV because you bought the punk ticket Gordo handed you.

Another fearful type is lilredrooster who also bought the punk ticket handed to him by Gordo when he declined to clarify which lawyer he was referring to in his little speech.

I mean if you're going to write volumes on how you "say what you mean and don't pull punches" then DO IT, don't buy the punk ticket!

[MDawg]

I generally get along with most people in real life

Maybe but online you're a sarcastic a-hole. (UNKewlJ on the other hand, is definitely just as much a loser in real life as online, I mean his own family kicked him out of the house for chrissakes.)

Or as Gordo put it, I take no joy in suspending you Axel. I still hope that someday you will learn to play with others. But it's probably not happening . . .