kewlJ

[Gottlob1]

Except nobody, neither you nor this seedvalue scammer is really going to put up anything. It is just troll forum games.

That is what you were HOPING by proposing the most preposterous ridiculous one sided terms possible, $500K up front with no penalty even if you lose the wager.

No. That's you on a "fishing expedition" to find out what KJ knows wrt to the settlement. If he puts up a lot, then it would be highly likely that something happened. I mean, firstly, that he had the money, and, secondly, that he put it out there along with yours. Of course, a slight chance of a bluff, but, why would he put so much out there were he trying to suck you into putting a lot out there? You would simply change your mind based on the new, such information. (Then, Monet would have another moment, accuse you of not going through with it. The guy who thinks that the only valuable forum members are the ones that get banned, or stop posting. Ha.)

[MDawg]

[MDawg]

Except nobody, neither you nor this seedvalue scammer is really going to put up anything. It is just troll forum games.

That is what you were HOPING by proposing the most preposterous ridiculous one sided terms possible, $500K up front with no penalty even if you lose the wager.

No. That's you on a "fishing expedition" to find out what KJ knows wrt to the settlement. If he puts up a lot, then it would be highly likely that something happened. I mean, firstly, that he had the money, and, secondly, that he put it out there along with yours. Of course, a slight chance of a bluff, but, why would he put so much out there were he trying to suck you into putting a lot out there. You would simply change your mind based on the new, such information. (Then, Monet would have another moment, accuse you of not going through with it. The guy who thinks that the only valuable forum members are the ones that get banned.)

Uhhh...are we watching the same game. Who's on first?

SeedValue accepted unilaterally UNKewlJ's offer, pursuant to my terms.

All that remains is for UNKewlJ to say YES, and he'll get up to $300K if he can prove that he really got the settlement on June 24, 2023, via transfer to his bank account.

Problem is...he cannot prove what never happened, and so he's gotta make with the double talk.

That he's not just saying YES and putting the ball in seedvalue's court is because he's an unmitigated fraud not worth the spit that I step over when I walk across the bridge between Wynn and Palazzo.

[Gottlob1]

Seedvalue's mumble-jumble was too much for me to take in on one pass. Ha. But, I don't think that he's made the deposit with Dan, yet. If there were a settlement, then best to play it really slow.

[jdog]

KJ, make the bet a smaller, reasonable amount of money and be done with it. Something less than 5K is not worth drawing up a contract, or Druff colluding with either side or risking his reputation. Once you get into the 10s of thousands then there are too many roadblocks and reasons for things to go South. Put up an equal amount and keep the terms simple, like proof of any deposit over 200K in June 2023 to your account. If Druff confirms the transfer posted on Saturday, June 24th then that's just another feather in your cap.

You could take a bit off of MDawg while taking him down a peg or two, but most importantly, prove to EVERYONE in here that you're not completely full of shit. If you're telling the truth then why would you not negotiate for something like this??

[kewlJ]

KJ, make the bet a smaller, reasonable amount of money and be done with it. Something less than 5K is not worth drawing up a contract, Druff colluding with either side or risking his reputation. Once you get into the 10s of thousands then there are too many roadblocks and reasons for things to go South. Put up an equal amount and keep the terms simple, like proof of any deposit over 200K in June 2023 to your account. If Druff confirms the transfer posted on Saturday, June 24th then that's just another feather in your cap.

You could take a bit off of MDawg while taking him down a peg or two, but most importantly, prove to EVERYONE in here that you're not completely full of shit. If you're telling the truth then why would you not negotiate for something like this??

jdog, I am not sure how much of this you have followed. I would have not been interested in proving anything about anything for some token amount of money. Mdawg and probably this seedvalue as well would be willing to pay that amount just to get the information on me that would likely come out as a result of this.

That was actually part of the warning I received from one of the lawyers I heard from yesterday. That if he lost, Mdawg would haul Dan Druff into court claiming some loophole or uncrossed "t" or undotted "i". And if he did that, all my information would become available to him.

Almost as important is the principal of the thing. No one is on trial, no one need prove anything. Me, or anyone else. Even those I don't believe. Advantage play has expanded so much in the last decades and there are players doing all sorts of things I don't know all that much about. And I don't know exactly what battles they fight with the casino industry to be able to do what they do.

But I do know what I do and what my battles with the industry are. Protecting my identity is paramount. I am not about to play these games that these guys are playing, one of which has already doxxed me multiple times and give up anything to them for 5 or 10 grand. Not in a million years.

Now quarter million dollars, which is the neighborhood we are talking when the offer was made to double my settlement, I have considered it. But with each passing day and really each passing minute, it becomes clearer to me the risk is not worth the reward for even that kind of money. Despite everything the haters say and do....THIS is what I do for a living. I am not risking that for 5 or 10 thousand dollars. Quarter million (neighborhood)....I've give it some thought.

[kewlJ]

It is this simple people. Mdawg is NOT who or what he says. He showed up at WoV 4 or 5 years ago, a reincarnation of a previously banned member. He acted civil, respectful, normal, even charming at times. He certainly 'played' Wizard, but I am told Mike can be very gullible at times. So I don't hold that against Wizard.

As time went on Mdawg began to reveal more and more who he really was. Started with him making individual threads at the forum he promotes about each and every person that doubted him. And they were nasty attacking threads. Just because someone didn't believe his extreme claims that defy how things work.

I think the big moment where Mdawg lost credibility was the "about even" post. After posting for 7 months that he had won hundreds of thousands of dollars, he was forced to post "additionally Wizard and I went over my records and I am about even". Hundreds of thousands of dollars to about even in one sentence.

Then Mdawg showed up at Gambling forums to join with Moses and Singer in attacking me....just because I was vocal about not believing him. Mob, bullying mentality. And that is when the real Mdawg really came out. He isn't the decent, normal guy he portrayed at WoV. He is a lying, nasty piece of shit. And now he returned here and continued the same. He thinks his "audience" at WoV doesn't read these other forums and doesn't see his Jekyll-Hyde routine. He thinks they don't see and know who he really is. But they do. Most read other forums if not participate. He is fooling no one!

At this point, I think he has almost given up. He has escalated his lies and attacks and is now even threatening people. In the end, these people always reveal who they really are, just as Rob Singer did in the Wizard interview and followed with the Newell at the dealership fiasco. Sometimes it takes a little longer, but these people always reveal who they are.

Now people on this forum have decided they don't like me and I don't think that has anything to do with blackjack or gambling, so Mdawg has found a receptive audience for his BS. Any real gambler at any level, professional or recreational, that reads what I write about my blackjack experiences, KNOWS it is true. There may be something else preventing them from admitting that, some other hatred or dislike. But no one here except a few trolls really believes the hate that is spread about me. And that includes Maxpen.

Mdawg had a good run trolling the membership at WoV for several years. And I thought and said from the beginning that I thought that is what this "adventure was all about....making a mockery of Wizard and Wizard of Vegas forum. I thought that at the beginning.....I am sure of it now. And now I am even almost certain he is not even a lawyer. And I suspect Axelwolf may have had the best read on him all along.

[MisterV]

Good plan, KJ.

Money is only one facet of life: if you have enoiugh then the prospect of "more" shouldn't be too compelling.

Besides, these trolls are a desperate, conniving, lying bunch and their word is NOT to be trusted: they only want to hurt you.

[jdog]

I would have not been interested in proving anything about anything for some token amount of money.

It seems like everything you say is an attempt to justify why you're not going to prove anything about anything... and that's fine. But if you're going to come onto a forum, day after day making unproven claims, then there are going to be certain people who will troll you relentlessly. So ultimately you must accept that this negative attention is being propagated by you... so ask yourself, is this what you want?

[Gottlob1]

... prove to EVERYONE in here that you're not completely full of shit.

I'm sure that, either way, it's his final chance.

[kewlJ]

Good plan, KJ.

Money is only one facet of life: if you have enoiugh then the prospect of "more" shouldn't be too compelling.

Besides, these trolls are a desperate, conniving, lying bunch and their word is NOT to be trusted: they only want to hurt you.

MrV, I have and make enough money to live comfortably by my standards. If it ended today, I am not ready financially to retire, so no I am not set or have enough money.

But it isn't all about money for me either. Never has been. I have always had the ability to play higher stakes and make more money. Lots of guys went that route. And most make more money for a year or two and end up writing books or running 'bootcamps'. I loved the inside the edge documentary that KC did. But it lasted a year and after finishing well below his high he made 600k.

I chose longevity and came up with a plan for longevity making a comfortable amount. I am 14 years in and still going.

But again, I chose what I do and don't do. I am not one of those guys that thinks advantage play means you can do anything, legal or not, ethical or not. I have different standards. I shared one example of this years ago, when I quit hole-carding after several months. I was setting my alarm for 3am, to get to a casino at 4am to play with a dealer that was pretty blatantly exposing his hole card. Absolutely nothing illegal about hole-carding. But it clicked for me, that was not the way I wanted to win or make money. I wanted to play my game, blackjack completely by the rules the casino had established and win, using my brain. THAT is my standard of advantage play.

I don't hold it against any other player that chooses to do things I would not do or not be comfortable doing. This industry cheats and steals every chance they get. So they deserve whatever other players do. I just have my own standards of what I am comfortable with.

So yes, MrV, you are right money isn't everything...at least to me.

[kewlJ]

Ok, now I have some football games to concentrate on now. 4 wagers which will be +EV even if I lose all 4. (although I hope to at least split). Last time I said something like that, the late Alan Mendelson flipped out. I miss you Alan, for all your silliness.

[MDawg]

You're so blinded by your absurd lying that you can't even make the slightest sense, and have been babbling like this for months now.

All you have to do is say YES and see if seedvalue will bring the money to Dan for him to hold.

And you know this, and the reason you won't say yes is BECAUSE you're afraid that seedvalue will in fact deliver the money.

... prove to EVERYONE in here that you're not completely full of shit.

[Mission146]

I can’t be 100% sure, but I am very confident Seedvalue and WoN are not the same person. I’m not giving any details whatsoever, but I’ve had PM correspondence with SeedValue that wasn’t about WoN at all, but also would have made zero sense for WoN to have with me as Seedvalue.

No legitimate reason. No nefarious reason. Literally no logical reason for WoN to have had this particular discussion with me as SeedValue.

[Treeshade]

Seedvalue's mumble-jumble was too much for me to take in on one pass. Ha. But, I don't think that he's made the deposit with Dan, yet. If there were a settlement, then best to play it really slow.

On My dead family members I would send 300k cash to Dan if this fraud accepted the bet piggybacking on the dawgs offer

Here’s the thing he absolutely KNOWS that is identify is not a secret to me unless he is a complete idiot. Thus his Hail merry attempt to say I’m jefftollscammer.com

It’s his last big attempt to discredit me and protect his facade. It’s been game over for him well before Max decided to put time into figuring out his settlement story.

Gunplay Kewj is a fraud

[Mission146]

Actually, I can add to it…though I’m slightly further from 100% sure…that Seedvalue’s conversation with me wouldn’t have made sense even if he works with WoN or is even on speaking terms with him.

[Treeshade]

Kewj just loves all the attention period. That’s all he really wants . Yeah I may have some
Extreme views and live a hardcore insane life but I’ve never scammed anyone out of anything. I’ve only made people money or turned people on in this game. Anyway this fraud will never put up anything so I’m
Out

Not out of the bet just out of here

[Treeshade]

Actually, I can add to it…though I’m slightly further from 100% sure…that Seedvalue’s conversation with me wouldn’t have made sense even if he works with WoN or is even on speaking terms with him.

Bro book it I’m not Toll. If you need anymore confirmation feel free to PM me and I will provide. That guy couldn’t hold my massive jock in this game. I’ve never worked for anyone only mentored by a old schooler from Florida. Since past away

[Mission146]

Actually, I can add to it…though I’m slightly further from 100% sure…that Seedvalue’s conversation with me wouldn’t have made sense even if he works with WoN or is even on speaking terms with him.

Bro book it I’m not Toll. If you need anymore confirmation feel free to PM me and I will provide.

I wouldn’t be concerned about it if you were WoN. As you know, we had a conversation that simply wouldn’t have made any sense in the world coming from him in the context of SeedValue.

That said, I’m not going to say I’m 100% without seeing you in person and watching you log in to VCT. Even then, I’d only say someone who was not WoN logged into Seedvalue’s account on VCT.

Nothing to prove as far as I go and nor do I care. I’m willing to arbitrate it should there be something by which someone else wants it proven to their satisfaction, but I have no reason to be concerned, personally.

[Treeshade]

Good plan, KJ.

Money is only one facet of life: if you have enoiugh then the prospect of "more" shouldn't be too compelling.

Besides, these trolls are a desperate, conniving, lying bunch and their word is NOT to be trusted: they only want to hurt you.

MrV, I have and make enough money to live comfortably by my standards. If it ended today, I am not ready financially to retire, so no I am not set or have enough money.

But it isn't all about money for me either. Never has been. I have always had the ability to play higher stakes and make more money. Lots of guys went that route. And most make more money for a year or two and end up writing books or running 'bootcamps'. I loved the inside the edge documentary that KC did. But it lasted a year and after finishing well below his high he made 600k.

I chose longevity and came up with a plan for longevity making a comfortable amount. I am 14 years in and still going.

But again, I chose what I do and don't do. I am not one of those guys that thinks advantage play means you can do anything, legal or not, ethical or not. I have different standards. I shared one example of this years ago, when I quit hole-carding after several months. I was setting my alarm for 3am, to get to a casino at 4am to play with a dealer that was pretty blatantly exposing his hole card. Absolutely nothing illegal about hole-carding. But it clicked for me, that was not the way I wanted to win or make money. I wanted to play my game, blackjack completely by the rules the casino had established and win, using my brain. THAT is my standard of advantage play.

I don't hold it against any other player that chooses to do things I would not do or not be comfortable doing. This industry cheats and steals every chance they get. So they deserve whatever other players do. I just have my own standards of what I am comfortable with.

So yes, MrV, you are right money isn't everything...at least to me.

Bro give me a fucking break !! Now you’re to good for hole carding ? Lmao we all
Know you stole that from Tommy Hyland. My god you’re a fucking fraud just taking bits and pieces from multiple legitimate player’s stories crafting this internet persona. Do you realize how insane you are ?