kewlJ

[MDawg]

Boz is a jealous rat who first spent God knows how much time and effort trying to figure out who MDawg is, then claimed to write letters to casinos over that MDawg was making too much money, hurting their bottom line. He probably went out and bot one share of common stock for each of the casinos so that he could launch shareholder's derivative lawsuits. The guy isn't all there - crazy ideas like that make sense when a person is raving in lunacy, which he is, at times.

UNKewlJ is a jealous rat who doxxed the name that Boz was PM'ing out to anyone he could think of. UnKewlJ's mentally ill at all times not just sometimes like Boz.

Neither one has acted like an AP of substance, for all the shit AWolf throws out there he's never as far as I know crossed the line to taking this to the real world, the way Boz the Loon and UNKewlJ have.

People involved with the real casino world don't write letters to casinos about each other.

Two peas in a pod. They belong to each other.

[kewlJ]

Boz is not a rat fink. I highly doubt he wrote a letter to the casinos about you. He was just riling you up. His way of telling you that he didn't believe your bullshit story, just as almost every other AP at WoV or that read WoV, has told you.

One thing about people like you (also Rob) is that many of the things they bitch about or say others do, they actually do. That is called "projecting". I read that people don't even recognize when they do this, although it is plain as day to everyone else.

So you accuse Boz of writing a letter to the casinos rating you out. I believe you did that regarding me. When you doxxed me at that forum you promote and repeated some of the information at Gambling forums, there was a peice of information that was incorrect. That same incorrect information showed up in my database entry a short time later. I suppose it is possible that some casino person or database person read the forum you promote. I would put that at 18 y.o's in a row odds. I suppose the odds are a little better that someone from casino or database read Gambling Forums. A little better but not much. That forum doesn't draw anybody. I think you sent that information to a casino and they reported to the database. Cosmo where you used to stay just happens to be a big database contributor.

[kewlJ]

But KJ is guilty of believing he has an obligation to “help” others.

I used to feel that way Boz. Not obligated, but I wanted to give back some. But that really ended for the most part after I left WoV. there is really no helping any new players on the forums I have been on the last 6-7 years. Although occasionally, someone reads something I have written and still contacts me privately asking questions. It has happened twice at a blackjack forum that now has very little traffic and once at GF, where I shared some pretty good stuff about when my brother was starting out not all that long ago. So it doesn't all go to waste. Someone can read something years later and still benefit by it.

BUT for the most part I am just trolling and entertaining myself, just the same as you and everyone else. I get a real kick out of fucking with the people that hate because they are bigots and can't even bring themselves to say or maybe realize that. I can almost see them boiling when I just post, no matter what it is. Now THAT is entertainment!

I guess my believing I have an obligation to help newer players (not really an obligation) has been replaced by me believing that I and every other real player have a right to call out complete bullshit.

Like a blackjack player who invented a super duper count and claims it gives him a 5% advantage.

Or a guy that claims he counted cards professionally in Reno of all places.

Or Singer and his way too many to list bullshit claims

Or Mdawg who has turned into the new Singer with such claims as $100-$5000 bet spreads playing double deck for 10 straight hours.

Even Jstat who pops up somewhere every few years claiming card counting and hi-lo doesn't work because there was a tiny non-significant error in Beat the Dealer 60 years ago.

I have that right, as do other real players to call bullshit on this stuff. And T3 aside, (that was the super duper count guy) all the rest go berserk and start attacking and even threatening you when you do call them out. A very dis-proportional response. That seems to be their problem and not mine.

[MDawg]

One thing about people like you (also Rob) is that many of the things they bitch about or say others do, they actually do. That is called "projecting". I read that people don't even recognize when they do this, although it is plain as day to everyone else.

Wow, see, this is the purest evidence of his sociopathy.

That he doesn't realize that he is talking about himself. Utterly.

When are you going to STOP being a hypocrite?

When are you going to STOP running to mummy/daddy at admin with your FARCICAL rants.

The equation is simple

Become a better person.
Become a poster of worth
by NOT trolling,
by NOT lying
by NOT posting your self loathing homophobia vitriol
by NOT reneging on your word
by NOT living and posting from your FICTIONAL world

You posted boygirl hypocrisy to administration is just another HUGE example of your hypocrisy. Your a joke.

We all know it
Admin knows it
And
Yes , YOU know it also , which begs the question

ARE you MENTALLY unstable?

Yes you must be so sad as your post is about everything YOU do here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you contradict yourself, sometimes one post to the very next post you post this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you post hypocritical posts this forum, you condemn the very behaviour you, yourself post about here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand that you constantly discredit YOUR OWN character yet claim others are discrediting you.

You must have a mental problem because you display homophobic dislike of yourself for being gay. It’s a nasty queer trait of self loathing homosexuals that manifests with ugly queers. We’ve all meet at least one in our lifetime. It’s that trait you display that give all the good gays a bad name.

As stated you’re a slow moving car wreck. I got beer and popcorn, I love watching you unravel.

[kewlJ]

It amazes me some of the people you quote. Many are taken out of context. Some have even told you to stop using a particular quote and you still do. And some like this punkcity are just flat out idiots.

Do you read the gambling shit that this guy posts. He plays baccarat and roulette and other -Ev games and claims he wins. Oh wait, I forgot who I am talking to.

Punkcity lives in Australia. That is almost all that needs be said. But one time he was criticizing me about play in Las Vegas when he revealed he has never been to Las Vegas. Never been to the U.S.A. And yet he had an opinion on Las Vegas. He then drew a line on a map from where he lived in Australia to where he thought Las Vegas was. The line ended in the middle of the U.S.A., in like Iowa.

That is the idiot that you so proudly quote. Do you really think that helps your case any?

[mickeycrimm]

C'mon, guys. Why do I always have to figure this shit out for you? It's as obvious as the nose on your face. KewlJ is none other than....Jeffrey Warren Toll. No brainer. You can thank me later.

[Mission146]

Boz is a jealous rat who first spent God knows how much time and effort trying to figure out who MDawg is, then claimed to write letters to casinos over that MDawg was making too much money, hurting their bottom line. He probably went out and bot one share of common stock for each of the casinos so that he could launch shareholder's derivative lawsuits. The guy isn't all there - crazy ideas like that make sense when a person is raving in lunacy, which he is, at times.

UNKewlJ is a jealous rat who doxxed the name that Boz was PM'ing out to anyone he could think of. UnKewlJ's mentally ill at all times not just sometimes like Boz.

Neither one has acted like an AP of substance, for all the shit AWolf throws out there he's never as far as I know crossed the line to taking this to the real world, the way Boz the Loon and UNKewlJ have.

People involved with the real casino world don't write letters to casinos about each other.

Two peas in a pod. They belong to each other.

Are we just throwing out random adjectives? Who is Boz jealous of and why would he be jealous of them? I can't imagine Boz being jealous of much of anyone. As far as I can tell, he's generally happy with his life, is retired from his former primary source of income and does a bunch of AP as it suits him. He's just living his life, man.

Assuming everything else you said in that paragraph is accurate, I cannot claim to know his motivations for doing those things, and nor do I care, but it wasn't jealousy.

If he wants to try the casinos in court, then let him. The casinos have gotten away with plenty over the years. For every lawsuit they've lost in court there are probably twenty potential (or failed) lawsuits that they deserved to lose.

[MDawg]

Boz, didn't handle his personal business like a man.
He handled it like a little Bitch Ass Punk Pussy.
Showing and Proving that he is no different than his Forum Enemies: the Wizard of Odds, ZenKing and MDawg.
It's the same thing as what QueerJ does when he calls the Interweb Police.
Fuckers can't handle their problems they need Mommy, Daddy and Big Government to scare the Boogey Men away.

[kewlJ]

Are we just throwing out random adjectives?

Well Mdawg is. He has been just throwing out "adjectives", accusations and lies for quite a while now. And not just me, but Axelwolf, Boz, anyone that ever questioned his bullshit story.

It is easy to get caught up responding to all his shit. And he has found a receptive home here as there are others that join him in ganging upon someone, they have decided is not welcome, whether it be me, redietz, ect.

Yesterday, I posted 39 times. Yikes! That is freaking embarrassing. My BF got stuck at work, working extra hours, and Thursday is often a day that I don't have much going on, getting ready for the weekend which is a busier time for me, but 39 times. Super, super embarrassing. In my defense I am responding and countering 3 or 4 members that attack me simultaneously. But still not much defense. 39 times.

Now Mdawg, he posted 44 times. Most about me This is a guy who claims to currently be in Las Vegas winning tons of money while the casinos don't care and welcome him and yet he spent the entire day in his room or suite in Las Vegas posting on an internet forum. He also claims to be a working attorney who works remotely and well Thursday is a work/business day last I heard. When did he get any lawyering work done? When did he gamble and make all that money he posts about?

And does any of this seem even slightly normal to anyone? Does anyone else go away to Las Vegas or any destination for that matter and hole up in their room making 44 posts attacking people on the internet simply because they dared to say they didn't believe you?

[kewlJ]

Every once in a while I look at the situation and think "this is just crazy". And it is! And I decide I have had enough. And then a few days later a different sentiment comes over me...one in which I say "I am not going to let these trolls drive me away". And I return to even more trolling and attacks, and made up lies....some just flat out stupid and bizarre made up lies. Things a 9 year old would say.

Well guess what....THIS is stupid. You can't fight hate. If people want to hate, they will hate...relentlessly. And that is their problem not mine.

[MDawg]

It amazes me some of the people you quote.

What is not amazing but makes perfect sense is that EVERYONE has about the same thing to say about this loser. Doesn't matter whom you quote, they all say he's a loser, he's a liar, he's a fraud.

C'mon, guys. Why do I always have to figure this shit out for you? It's as obvious as the nose on your face. KewlJ is none other than....Jeffrey Warren Toll. No brainer. You can thank me later.

Makes as much sense as any other theory! given that whenever he accuses someone of some sort of negative behavior he's always guilty to a much greater degree of the same. If UNKewlJ says you did it, that means he did it first, and worse!

So...he accuses seedvalue of being Toll, it jibes that UNKewlJ is in fact Toll himself. Only thing is...Toll doesn't look Pacific Islander.

[MisterV]

KJ, it's good to see you stick around and respond to the shit this gaslighting feces hurling monkey keeps splattering on the board.

Keep attacking the lying sack of bullshit.

Oh, if you ever find out the address of his mansion please PM me and I'll send a fleet of pizza delivery guys to pay him a visit.

Oh, wait a minute ... he doesn't REALLY own a mansion in LV, that was yet another lie to make himself look "bigger" and more virile.

Memo to dawg: try stuffing a sock down the front of your slacks.

[Mission146]

Are we just throwing out random adjectives?

Well Mdawg is. He has been just throwing out "adjectives", accusations and lies for quite a while now. And not just me, but Axelwolf, Boz, anyone that ever questioned his bullshit story.

It is easy to get caught up responding to all his shit. And he has found a receptive home here as there are others that join him in ganging upon someone, they have decided is not welcome, whether it be me, redietz, ect.

Yesterday, I posted 39 times. Yikes! That is freaking embarrassing. My BF got stuck at work, working extra hours, and Thursday is often a day that I don't have much going on, getting ready for the weekend which is a busier time for me, but 39 times. Super, super embarrassing. In my defense I am responding and countering 3 or 4 members that attack me simultaneously. But still not much defense. 39 times.

Now Mdawg, he posted 44 times. Most about me This is a guy who claims to currently be in Las Vegas winning tons of money while the casinos don't care and welcome him and yet he spent the entire day in his room or suite in Las Vegas posting on an internet forum. He also claims to be a working attorney who works remotely and well Thursday is a work/business day last I heard. When did he get any lawyering work done? When did he gamble and make all that money he posts about?

And does any of this seem even slightly normal to anyone? Does anyone else go away to Las Vegas or any destination for that matter and hole up in their room making 44 posts attacking people on the internet simply because they dared to say they didn't believe you?

Slightly normal?

Timothy McVeigh would probably consider this forum a little over the top for his liking.

I just chalk it up to you guys finding some entertainment value in all of this. I tend to only participate if someone says something that I consider unfair (like your implication that Druff could potentially defraud you, or MDawg calling Boz jealous) as I see it. I don't really step in on either you or MDawg's behalf on things because either of you could end this, at anytime, by simply not speaking to, or about, the other.

My conclusion is that both of you do this with each other because you both enjoy it, on some level. That's fine. It's not for me to tell people what to enjoy or not enjoy. I just remarked yesterday, about the challenge, because at least that would be interesting. I also wouldn't be opposed to meeting either of you anyway.

We've known each other, in the forum sense, for over a decade. I've come at you hard a few times, but I've always felt justified when I did. You've cracked back at me a few times---and I am perfectly fine with that. At the end of the day, when I come at you, I think you don't mind so much because you know I'm giving my actual opinion...which everyone knows I can always defend...and not doing it just to do it.

As far as MDawg goes, he has great taste in music. That's automatically enough that I'd share a table with him and bullshit about music. Also, if the worst thing he does is tell tall tales on gambling forums (and I am NOT disputing anything he says, I am speaking hypothetically) well, most of our elected representatives do far worse than that, so who gives a fuck?

Anyway, the bank thing would be interesting enough to arbitrate that I wouldn't mind as long as it isn't costing me any money out of pocket. Beyond that, I'd be lying if I said I really cared about your and MDawg's back and forth...or even what MDawg posts at WoV. I hope he wouldn't take offense to this, but I almost never look at his thread anyway...much less obsess over everything he writes. I'm not even sane. I know that. But sometimes, I can be sane, by comparison. JK

[Mission146]

KJ, it's good to see you stick around and respond to the shit this gaslighting feces hurling monkey keeps splattering on the board.

Keep attacking the lying sack of bullshit.

Oh, if you ever find out the address of his mansion please PM me and I'll send a fleet of pizza delivery guys to pay him a visit.

Oh, wait a minute ... he doesn't REALLY own a mansion in LV, that was yet another lie to make himself look "bigger" and more virile.

Memo to dawg: try stuffing a sock down the front of your slacks.

Fuck you! JK.

I'm a grower, though. I don't have Singer beat, but I'm packing something decent. Ball Park frank, motherfucker, it plumps when you cook it. Well, not YOU. You know what I mean.

[kewlJ]

I tend to only participate if someone says something that I consider unfair (like your implication that Druff could potentially defraud you,

Now hold on a minute. You make it sound like I am accusing Druff of something. Mission you and I once has a somewhat heated discussion about my saying something was "impossible". I don't think it was the 18 y.o. in a row claim but something along those lines. Something that was multiple millions to 1 shot. You objected to me calling that "impossible" when technically it was mathematically possible.

Now a wager (which this wasn't even) involving 2 people, with the 3rd arbitrating and holding the money, is it not possible that one of the parties and the arbitrator collude? You used the word "potential". That is all I am saying. The chances of that no matter how small are enough that I am not risking what I conside substantial money on it. It isn't personal to Druff. It is simply my own risk/reward comfort level.

You are taking offense because some of you know Druff personally and think, maybe even know he wouldn't be involved in something like that. Well I don't know Dan Druff personally. My experience with him is on this forum, and frankly I am not impressed with him allowing some of the shit he has allowed. Just flat out lies, for no other reason to attempt to smear and discredit someone. And not just me. Axelwolf, mickey, redietz, the late Alan Mendelson and others have all been victims of this.

Rob Singer wrote on this very forum that Alan had beaten his girlfriend and she had to get a restraining order against him. And of course accusations of me being a male prostitute and preying on older men. This kind of shit is not funny nor acceptable playful kind of ribbing. Nor are lies about people's dead spouse. So that Dan Druff allows that kind of shit complete lies to be stated on this forum...thinks that is acceptable, well yeah, I am not sure I would trust him with holding my 100k.

Additionally, Dan druff is a professional poker player....a gambler, as many of us are. Gamblers are notorious for being shady and doing some shady crap. Druff's entire other forum is about that kind of stuff.

So no offense to Dan Druff (or Todd) but to me, having never met him, he is a guy that runs a forum I am on, and has allowed all kinds of dishonest shit to be spewed. Nothing more.

[Mission146]

I tend to only participate if someone says something that I consider unfair (like your implication that Druff could potentially defraud you,

Now hold on a minute. You make it sound like I am accusing Druff of something. Mission you and I once has a somewhat heated discussion about my saying something was "impossible". I don't think it was the 18 y.o. in a row claim but something along those lines. Something that was multiple millions to 1 shot. You objected to me calling that "impossible" when technically it was mathematically possible.

Now a wager (which this wasn't even) involving 2 people, with the 3rd arbitrating and holding the money, is it not possible that one of the parties and the arbitrator collude? You used the word "potential". That is all I am saying. The chances of that no matter how small are enough that I am not risking what I conside substantial money on it. It isn't personal to Druff. It is simply my own risk/reward comfort level.

You are taking offense because some of you know Druff personally and think, maybe even know he wouldn't be involved in something like that. Well I don't know Dan Druff personally. My experience with him is on this forum, and frankly I am not impressed with him allowing some of the shit he has allowed. Just flat out lies, for no other reason to attempt to smear and discredit someone. And not just me. Axelwolf, mickey, redietz, the late Alan Mendelson and others have all been victims of this.

Rob Singer wrote on this very forum that Alan had beaten his girlfriend and she had to get a restraining order against him. And of course accusations of me being a male prostitute and preying on older men. This kind of shit is not funny nor acceptable playful kind of ribbing. Nor are lies about people's dead spouse. So that Dan Druff allows that kind of shit complete lies to be stated on this forum...thinks that is acceptable, well yeah, I am not sure I would trust him with holding my 100k.

Additionally, Dan druff is a professional poker player....a gambler, as many of us are. Gamblers are notorious for being shady and doing some shady crap. Druff's entire other forum is about that kind of stuff.

So no offense to Dan Druff (or Todd) but to me, having never met him, he is a guy that runs a forum I am on, and has allowed all kinds of dishonest shit to be spewed. Nothing more.

Meh. I just didn't like the verbiage; that was all. Perhaps I simply took it more seriously than it was meant. I just thought it was weird that you would express concerns about your chosen arbiter possibly colluding with the other party. I'd choose a different arbiter if I thought any chance of that.

I don't know Druff personally. I just know what PFA is all about and what Druff is somewhat about from reading many of his posts. My opinion is that Druff is concerned with fairness more than he is with anything else. If someone gets ripped off, then Druff is pissed. If someone willingly enters into a one-sided deal, but knew the terms going in, then Druff probably doesn't care because the person could have understood the terms.

He also cares about this site and PFA. He wouldn't risk his public reputation, or the reputation of his online properties, even for that amount of money.

If nothing else, I would say he is showing some trust in both yourself and MDawg to even be willing to act as an escrow agent for that kind of money. I sure as shit wouldn't do it if either of you directly asked me. I'd just figure, whatever the angle, I'm too stupid to know what the angle is and me holding this money will backfire on me somehow.

If you feel victimized by this forum...not that there has ever been a forum where you DON'T feel victimized...then create your own forum. I hereby declare that I will join your forum and post at least ten times per month for a year to help you out with starting content. You just can't monetize during that year; I may still participate if you do, but I won't necessarily keep my offer because I don't participate on sites that monetarily compete with us. I might read them, but I don't add new content. Social media doesn't count, obviously, as they are not primarily gambling.

Anyway, it's Druff's forum, so he can do whatever the fuck he wants. He can ban me from both of his forums, this second, and I probably wouldn't say much. I might casually mention it like, "Or like Todd, who banned me from his forum, for whatever reason," but I wouldn't shit talk him. He'd probably be doing me a favor. Here I am typing this and do you know how much this post is making me? $0.00.

I can't imagine the dead spouse cared. Being dead, and all.

Well, yeah, that's my point. It's about calling out gamblers who rip off other gamblers.

[kewlJ]

Mission, I don't distinguish between the scammer guys like on youtube that are selling their phony baloney systems or selling membership into some secret blackjack army, where they will teach you to win at blackjack or bacarát or roulette or any other damn thing and the people on forums just repeatedly spewing voodoo bullshit. It is an attempt to mislead people with bullshit whether it is monetized or not. Rob Singer wrote 2 books, trying to monetize his bullshit. He just wasn't successful.

Mdawg, well if he is anywhere near as wealthy as he claims, which I have doubts about, then it isn't about monetizing anything with him. I think it is simply a narcisstic trying to impress people with him. BUT still, people can be mislead and financially hurt, just the same as if they were scammed into buying some bullshit system. When Mdawg writes that he played a $100-$5000 spread playing double deck at a strip casino winning 60k over 10 straight hours, how many people went out and tried that? Maybe none. But maybe a few.

And some people will say that is on them for being so stupid...and there is some truth to that. But I just think on a forum like WoV, that is supposed to be about helping players become better gamblers (mike's mission statement when he started the forum), That such bullshit should be called out by both Mike and other members.

And that is all this ever was on my part. It is just that Mdawg like singer before him responds with all kind of vicious lies and attacks towards anyone who dares say. You can't win with by "betting into hot streaks" or with "special plays", or because you have a big bankroll like that somehow magically overcomes -EV. Voodoo should be called out as voodoo. thats all.

[MDawg]

It is amusing I'll admit Mission146 to see UNKewlJ try to stand on his hind legs and whine about how unfair it is no one believes him. But what's the most amusing is that he pretends that any of what he says makes a difference, while actually with each lie he's invented, the more he tries to defend it, the more obvious it becomes that he's lying. That he keeps whining softly in his shrill voice, not realizing that he's just destroying his story and credibility further with each bizarre twist and turn, is what's the funniest about all this.

The FOURTEEN most major UNKewl lies I can think of concern (1) his lie about Moses showing up at a condo he claimed he lived at, (2) a condo it turned out that he has no ownership in, (3) his faking his own death, (4) lying about ever having been robbed, (5) the nonsense about MGM execs showing up at his apartment on Halloween to give him player records on someone who isn't even MDawg, (6) the backrooming lawsuit, (7) the lie about being doxxed, or ever having his name placed in any casino database, (8) the rigged shuffler, (9) the impossibility of the Saturday early morning settlement transfer, (9) $50. free play for $100K win on a slot progressive, (10) $50K multi hand VP hit, (11) winning a car, (12) lied about whether or not he was gay, (13) the lie about even having a dead "soul mate" which he recanted.

That rigged shuffler story, besides not making any sense, reaffirmed in my mind that this guy really doesn't play much table games, because I'd expect such nonsense from a recreational player, not a card counter.

And as usual, as he gets hemmed in, he is changing the story on some of these. Even renounced the existence of his "soul mate" claims he lied about him and his gay marriage too!

[MisterV]

It is amusing I'll admit to recognize that the dawg now clearly sees that no one believes him, but he keeps spewing bullshit out of his keyboard. But what's the most amusing is that he pretends that any of what he says makes a difference, while actually with each lie he's invented, the more he tries to defend it, the more obvious it becomes that he's lying. That he keeps attacking his nay-sayers and keeps posting the same ridiculous bullshit over and over cements the belief that this clown is certifiable.

FYP

[MDawg]

You must be still stuck in your morning MJ haze, and have me confused with some other sumbitch, because while I might respond to something about me once or twice when initially brought up (and not even always, frequently I just ignore), I don't keep responding to the same queries about ME over and over like you and UNKewlJ.

Which is why you and UNKewlJ frequently find yourselves talking to yourselves when it comes to trying to incite me into your anti MDawg nonsense.

Nor do I when questioned about anything to do with me, respond with UNKewJ's usual go to defensive whining talking points:
If I have anything to say about me, I just say it. About me. I don't segue into the whiny UNKewlJ's "Buuuut he's just trying to make himself look better by making meee look bad."

You are like a fucken sick talking parrot, Kewlj.

Additionally, can you imagine, UNKewlJ sits there pondering and re-writing the same things over and over with almost every post, while I am mostly just copy/pasting. When I already said it once to perfection, why waste time restating it any differently?

So when you see an MDawg post, you may be assured it was whipped up in minutes, while anything UNKewlJ has to say, he has clearly pored over for hours, his lips moving too, as he tries so hard to decide what to say and how.