And here is something else. I have called out these people like Rob and MDawg, the super duper count guy at Norm's forum, because what they claim defies the math and the way things work (the reality).

I thing any real player and AP has a right to do that. And it isn't only about protecting other players and members from this nonsense (although that is part of it).

Those of us that are advantage players, no matter what it is that we do from card counting to much more complicated stuff, work hard at what we do. if playing professionally, you accept a lifestyle that involves risk and take those risks on a daily basis. Some of us fight a daily battle to be able to ply our trade and do what we do.

I don't appreciate some ying yang coming along talking bullshit about winning using voodoo, long disprove nonsense, or "special plays" or that they are able to win because they are wealthy and have bigger bankroll, as if that magically overcomes -EV and the house edge. As a player that works hard and accepts the risks, I am offended by these fairytale. Maybe others APs aren't, but I am.