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  1. #1461
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    As far as trolls go, you're one of the biggest. Believe it. And why is this forum shit so important to you anyway? What and where does it get you? If you looked at it as entertainment you wouldn't care what others say about you in the least. That's a major fault with your generation and this social media nonsense. It sucks the life out of those who get addicted to and are conTROLLed by it. And THAT'S where the word "troll" comes from.
    Says the guy who drove to an RV dealership pretending to be a customer so he could take and post pictures in the Rv claiming it was his?

    Says the guy who purchased and posted movie prop money.

    Says the guy who posted pictures of a jackpot he claims he hit, from the computer screen, in the storage are of his daughter's house.

    Says the guy who stole the double up bug from the news and the real players that did the play.

    Says the guy who has spent 20+ years trolling every gambling forum he could find.

    Says the guy who hears voices when he sits at a VP machine and thinks the machine is talking to him.

    Says....well I guess the real "Jason Bourne".

    Rob don't talk to me about trolls, or "control" or my generation, you Larry Fine looking fucktard.

    Rob you are jealous (and bitter) of a guy that makes a very modest living at the casinos. What does that say about you?
    The problem with you and your repetitive rants is, the only thing that's ever right is the interior pics issue. Everything else is your lies. But do you see me losing my mind over any of it like you do on EVERYTHING!? And again, this is the glaring problem with your waaay overly sensitive generation. You're such wussies that you have no idea how to enjoy or entertain yourself. If it isn't exactly the way you want it to be, you can't handle it. If others aren't buying what you're selling, you go mentally bankrupt.

    I've grown to enjoy watching you suffer though. I mean, who else deserves the self-torture more than a crazy mixed-up screwball like you?

    Go D-Backs!!

  2. #1462
    You crack me up Ron. You think I am suffering. You want to believe that.

    News Flash: If I was wouldn't I have left a LONG time ago.

    I don't play poker, but Ron, you are the fish at the table, looking around to see who the fish is, not even realizing. Makes me chuckle every time I think about it.

    I wonder what you would do if I did leave the forum or stop posting. Your life, such as it is, would be over.

    How are you coming with that birth date, Larry Fine?
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  3. #1463
    Enjoying watching this feud. Got the popcorn out and everything. But just a couple of questions.

    1) Wouldn't KJ be doxxing himself by showing a pic of a condo swimming pool?

    2) Didn't MDawg discover KJ's real name by looking at condo ownerships in Las Vegas?

    Just asking.
    Let’s keep the dumbfuckery to minimum today.

  4. #1464
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    You crack me up Ron. You think I am suffering. You want to believe that.

    News Flash: If I was wouldn't I have left a LONG time ago.

    I don't play poker, but Ron, you are the fish at the table, looking around to see who the fish is, not even realizing. Makes me chuckle every time I think about it.

    I wonder what you would do if I did leave the forum or stop posting. Your life, such as it is, would be over.

    How are you coming with that birth date, Larry Fine?
    Another lie kew. Your long and rambing rants are a dead giveaway that you struggle with making your outrage known to the level that it's really affecting you. And what type of person regularly posts that they are upset with so-called "bullies" enuf to want to leave an internet gaming forum? Yes....a weak and forever tortured and tormented loser.

    You also wear your uneasiness with everyone here on your sleeve. You whine about others; you are always crying to administrators, who further antagonize you by either ignoring you or admonishing your sorry ass.

    So yes kew, you suffer here. And watching you do so along with your frequent jumping up and down screaming something about how "this is supposed to be working like sensitive millenials like me WANT it to be working, and if it doesn't then gosh darn it--it just isn't fair!" is a joy to behold.

    But the popcorn is always running out

  5. #1465
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Enjoying watching this feud. Got the popcorn out and everything. But just a couple of questions.

    1) Wouldn't KJ be doxxing himself by showing a pic of a condo swimming pool?

    2) Didn't MDawg discover KJ's real name by looking at condo ownerships in Las Vegas?

    Just asking.
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    he made this long post here at VCT
    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ama#post137348
    about where he lives, the Panorama Towers / The Martin Towers on Dean Martin Dr. in LV.

    In other words, he doxxed himself with everything
    In follow up posts he's repeatedly claimed that he lives there, including stating that he has a Strip view.



    As far as my discovering anything about him by looking at condo ownership, he got caught up in lies there.

    He claimed that he changed the title to his condo to an LLC or Trust right after Moses supposedly showed up at his condo (2019).

    But then claimed that I found him via a condo that was titled to two brothers (same last name) two years later, in 2021.

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post159474

    So anyway, yes he's claimed repeatedly that he lives in that complex even stated what kind of view he has, so given his constant desire to prove that he in fact does live there it makes no sense that he wouldn't swoop up $500. from MaxPen and back up what he's been claiming so many times.

    No sense unless...you consider this just another in a series of lies from FraudJ that he will not back up because he cannot back them up (no evidence to provide because it does not exist).
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

    MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas

  6. #1466
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Fuck off Mission. I am not going to keep having this same discussion with you every time you perceive that I have insulted your BF Shackleford, which I didn't, if you knew how to read.

    This bullshit that Mdawg is not hurting anyone, nor violating rules is nothing but bullshit. Shacklefords mission statement when he started the forum was to help people become better and better informed gamblers. NOTHING about this asshole being allowed to make claims on almost a daily basis that defy the mathematic of gambling helps anyone.

    That Mdawg skirts the rules is no reason to say oh well. His intent and agenda from Day 1 was to make a mockery of WoV and Shackleford. You don't celebrate that by saying oh well, if you don't like it don't read it. Fuck, by that reasoning, if you don't like what I have to say don't read it.

    Fact is Michael Shackleford is a highly respected gambling math expert. A reputation he has earned. So someone visiting the forum that still bares his name and likeness that he still basically runs, that reads this voodoo bullshit that defies the math, what are they to think? They saw it on Wizards forum, it must be legit. Almost like an endorsement. Which is basically what Mdawg runs around on other forums saying...."wizard endorsed".
    As horny as the thought of me having a boyfriend, and therefore being interested in guys, might make you---it ain't gonna happen, brother! Dreaming is free, though. I'm not the thought police. I don't care what you jack off to as long as I don't have to know about it.

    Yes; we provide information that can help make people more informed gamblers. That doesn't mean that every word on the forums has to be devoted to doing that. I'm willing, though often proven wrong, to give your average person enough credit for intelligence to know what is or isn't valid. That's not to say MDawg has said anything purely wrong lately. For one, I don't know that I've ever seen him make a mathematical claim of any kind. Secondly, I don't really read his thread, as I have already mentioned.

    I like arguing. I can block you if you really want me to, but I have no idea why I would. If I didn't like talking with you, rest assured, I would not do so. Especially here.

    If someone reading the forum wants to assume that every word posted by random handles is personally endorsed by Mike, then they are free to believe that. My suggestion to them would be to be less of a retard.

  7. #1467
    Genius (mdawg), about 90% of properties, both condos and single homes, in Las Vegas, Summerlyn, Henderson, even North Las Vegas have a strip view. The land is flat and you can see the strip from many miles away. And about half look north or have a view north. There are probably more than 100 high-rise residential building in Vegas and everyone has corner units.

    Now to answer mickey's questions:

    1) a picture by the pool or in the lobby, if not doxxing myself, would at least be confirming previous doxxing. Idiotic for someone to think I would do that, especially another AP. But at this point Maxpen has crossed over that line from fellow AP, to common troll with all his doxxing. At one point he said he was going to post a picture or "find" a picture that looked like me. I suspect that picture would come from the database if he has access, and I suspect he could get it.

    2) Mdawg thinks he got my name from condo ownership records. There is someone who did that but it wasn't Mdawg. I am sure you can guess who. After that I changed the name so that the next troll that came along trying to find me by this means would not succeed. That next person was Mdawg a year or two later. About 40% of units in this building are listed under a partnership or trust anyway, so listing it that way, does not identify us.

    So Mdawg came along and I suspect looked and found a unit owned by a person that shares my same first name and assumed that was me and doxxed that person. I always said a key piece of information in Mdawgs doxxing was wrong. So that wrong name showed up in the database, proving just where it came from. And believe me it didn't come from casino people seeing the doxing on that little forum Mdawg owns. He sent it to some casino. Maybe through connections or friendly pit at a casino he plays. You might think that piece of information helps me, but not really. They have a picture. All that did was update the file and bring it back to the forefront forcing me to lay low for a while.

    This is why when Rob Singer came along 6 months ago, claiming he had my name, I challenged him to post it. I knew he didn't have it. That whole nonsense that he got it from FBI friends/relative was just Singer nonsense. I thought he would get a name from Mdawg and post it and was baiting him to do so. That name wouldn't have been me.

    I am usually 2 steps ahead of these guys. Moses caught me off guard. I made sure that wouldn't happen again. But really there now seems to be one after another trying to dox and harm me, including APs or former APs like MaxPen. MaxPen is way over that line. Great and decent guy that I hear he is.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 10-25-2023 at 10:14 AM.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  8. #1468
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    This also prompted the following reply from Shackleford himself several posts later:

    At this point, let me make a disclaimer that not only do I think betting systems can't beat the house edge in baccarat, they can't even dent it. This includes whatever Mdawg is doing, without knowing much about it. So, I am not endorsing anything he says. In fact, if he is implying a way to beat baccarat straight up, I would strongly disagree.

    This was one of several attempts by Mike to state as clearly has he could with the NDA hanging over him, that Mdawgs story was bullshit.

    And lets not forget that to this day, Mdawgs thread and account of all his play is in the Betting Systems section, where immediately after the section title "Betting systems" it says: All betting systems are worthless. However, for the mathematically challenged, here is a forum of your own.

    That Mdawgs entire work, consisting of all his claims resides in the "Betting Systems section" next to Dice control and other crazy "voodoo" shit is another attempt by Wizard to say just what theis garbage is.
    Okay, so is Mike endorsing or not endorsing what MDawg says? In this quote, he very clearly states that he doesn't endorse anything MDawg says.

  9. #1469
    Originally Posted by Gottlob View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Punkcity is one of the biggest idiots on any gambling forum. Besides being a loud mouth nasty troll like so many others, Punkcity is just an complete idiot as far as gambling. A baccarat and roulette "systems" idiot. Believes and promotes every gambling voodoo thing there is.
    My favorite is Blackhole, over at GF's. Trying to tell it how it is. Ha. I no longer click on Redietz', or your, stuff, over there. V's still okay.

    The mod, Meeleo Meeleo or whatever, disallowed my like function, so, I don't bother with even that over there, anymore. The guy is a total crank job. Banned me from Baccaratforums.com for trying to keep it real. Got up to about 40 members, but, I couldn't keep my mouth shut. He ran a forum for lawyers, too. That one had quite a bit more traffic, especially for the law students.
    Blackhole's over there? I might have to poke my head in. Better still, maybe I can ask if Dan will give Blackhole another chance here. He was offering some really great horse racing discussions right when he was banned here.

  10. #1470
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    This also prompted the following reply from Shackleford himself several posts later:

    At this point, let me make a disclaimer that not only do I think betting systems can't beat the house edge in baccarat, they can't even dent it. This includes whatever Mdawg is doing, without knowing much about it. So, I am not endorsing anything he says. In fact, if he is implying a way to beat baccarat straight up, I would strongly disagree.

    This was one of several attempts by Mike to state as clearly has he could with the NDA hanging over him, that Mdawgs story was bullshit.

    And lets not forget that to this day, Mdawgs thread and account of all his play is in the Betting Systems section, where immediately after the section title "Betting systems" it says: All betting systems are worthless. However, for the mathematically challenged, here is a forum of your own.

    That Mdawgs entire work, consisting of all his claims resides in the "Betting Systems section" next to Dice control and other crazy "voodoo" shit is another attempt by Wizard to say just what theis garbage is.
    Okay, so is Mike endorsing or not endorsing what MDawg says? In this quote, he very clearly states that he doesn't endorse anything MDawg says.
    I hope you are not asking me? Ask Mike. But I can tell you this much. At different times, over at GF, Mdawg was posting a statement and saying things like Wizard approved or Wizard endorsed. Wizard never endorsed anything as far as I know. He made a number of these statements in your quote contradicting that. Always going as far as he could without violating the NDA and one time even chose to violate it, so people would be clear of his view.

    I don't want to fight with you about Mike. You know Mike. He is a math guy. He is not endorsing voodoo things like "bet into a hot streak", or that a player can win because he has a large bankroll, as if that changes the math some how.

    I guess my whole problem with Mike is he is a little too timid to weigh into these things often enough for my liking. I always go back to that mission statement when he started the forum of helping players be better gamblers and understand the math. When he stays silent on some of these things or stays silent more than I would like, he sure isn't helping is he?
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  11. #1471
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Get real V. This clown plays you like a cheap fiddle.
    Does he?

    Are you SURE I believe him?

    Just who is playing whom around here?

    Me, I just like to stir the pot.

    Of course I'm aware of his history of being banned on other forums.
    Entertaining, of course.

    But at the same time, realize that we're dealing with a pussified millenial retard who most would not be the least bit irked at seeing his puny little head get chopped of by some jealous goofy homo, rolling and bouncing down the stairs at his dumpy hi-rise, with teeth jetting and spitting out and his eyeballs flailing about as they're hanging on by the optic nerve threading. And all the while, I'm comfortably at home choosing whether to grace my breakfast with avocado toast with Dave's 21 grain bread, Post grape nuts with skim milk and low-sugar craisins, or a nice hot serving of steel cut oats with no sugar added frozen raspberries.

    Such is the life of someone whose life has been productive and has always has meaning, vs. the meaningless life of someone who's life's biggest accomplishment has been to be labeled as a known and proven liar, living off of the social justice skirts of a suck-ass baby bro and totally useless mommy.

    Punk.
    Damn. Name brand bread and cereal, both in one post. Post, actually. Meta-Post. Posting about Post.

    Grape Nuts, though? Well, you're indirectly dunking on my frugalness with all of these name brands, but at least I don't have trouble shitting. Nobody eats Grape Nuts for the taste. JK

  12. #1472
    Just missed a Euell Gibbons reference for the Triple! I know, Mission is too young to remember this but Rob and V surely do.


  13. #1473
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    This also prompted the following reply from Shackleford himself several posts later:

    At this point, let me make a disclaimer that not only do I think betting systems can't beat the house edge in baccarat, they can't even dent it. This includes whatever Mdawg is doing, without knowing much about it. So, I am not endorsing anything he says. In fact, if he is implying a way to beat baccarat straight up, I would strongly disagree.

    This was one of several attempts by Mike to state as clearly has he could with the NDA hanging over him, that Mdawgs story was bullshit.

    And lets not forget that to this day, Mdawgs thread and account of all his play is in the Betting Systems section, where immediately after the section title "Betting systems" it says: All betting systems are worthless. However, for the mathematically challenged, here is a forum of your own.

    That Mdawgs entire work, consisting of all his claims resides in the "Betting Systems section" next to Dice control and other crazy "voodoo" shit is another attempt by Wizard to say just what theis garbage is.
    Okay, so is Mike endorsing or not endorsing what MDawg says? In this quote, he very clearly states that he doesn't endorse anything MDawg says.
    I hope you are not asking me? Ask Mike. But I can tell you this much. At different times, over at GF, Mdawg was posting a statement and saying things like Wizard approved or Wizard endorsed. Wizard never endorsed anything as far as I know. He made a number of these statements in your quote contradicting that. Always going as far as he could without violating the NDA and one time even chose to violate it, so people would be clear of his view.

    I don't want to fight with you about Mike. You know Mike. He is a math guy. He is not endorsing voodoo things like "bet into a hot streak", or that a player can win because he has a large bankroll, as if that changes the math some how.

    I guess my whole problem with Mike is he is a little too timid to weigh into these things often enough for my liking. I always go back to that mission statement when he started the forum of helping players be better gamblers and understand the math. When he stays silent on some of these things or stays silent more than I would like, he sure isn't helping is he?
    I don't have to ask him; you quoted Mike stating that he doesn't endorse anything MDawg says.

    I'll take your word for the GF thing as I almost never look at that forum. If these posts still exist, then perhaps bring them to Mike's attention; they'd have nothing to do with me.

    I agree that Mike tends to be non-confrontational. He's always been that way as long as I've known him. That aspect isn't a recent development.

    Quite frankly...and this is a rare case in that I am ONLY speculating because I have absolutely no idea, but perhaps MDawg is still around because his thread gets a ton of clicks and he generally stays within the rules.

    It's nothing against MDawg, but back when it seemed like 50% of the forum activity was combative and seemed to involve him, especially when Wellbush and MarcusClark were around, had I still been an Admin it would have been, "Just give me a reason." It's nothing personal; I generally like MDawg now, but I would have seen all of this as both disruptive and a net negative to the forum.

    Now, looking at the thread just for you, it seems that the last few days are pictures, session results and he likes to discuss happenings on the ground, in Las Vegas. The pictures are cool and the discussions are civil. MDawg v. The World is also not seemingly pervading every other thread on the forum.

    Honestly, there's a total difference in the overall tone of his thread now. All's well that ends well, imo. If ever MDawg did do harm to the forum, I certainly don't see what harm he's doing now. I'll probably actually keep an eye on the thread a bit as I didn't know MDawg discusses news stories, and such, until now.

  14. #1474
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post

    It's nothing against MDawg, but back when it seemed like 50% of the forum activity was combative and seemed to involve him, especially when Wellbush and MarcusClark were around, had I still been an Admin it would have been, "Just give me a reason." It's nothing personal; I generally like MDawg now, but I would have seen all of this as both disruptive and a net negative to the forum.

    Now, looking at the thread just for you, it seems that the last few days are pictures, session results and he likes to discuss happenings on the ground, in Las Vegas. The pictures are cool and the discussions are civil. MDawg v. The World is also not seemingly pervading every other thread on the forum.

    Honestly, there's a total difference in the overall tone of his thread now. All's well that ends well, imo. If ever MDawg did do harm to the forum, I certainly don't see what harm he's doing now. I'll probably actually keep an eye on the thread a bit as I didn't know MDawg discusses news stories, and such, until now.
    Weren't Wellbush and MarcusClark sockpuppets of Madwg? If not sock puppets some kind of confederate/accomplice.

    The pictures of different things and the goings on in Vegas are fine. I commented just the other day that there were some great pics posted in that thread from the U2 concert. And even the story of a higher limit player that wins and loses and gets great comps would have been great. I always said that.

    And yes, When Mdawg posts of his play now, he gets almost no response. 1 or 2 people that I think are more or less playing with him by responding, like SooPoo. And that is good. But what did it take to get here? A number of good posters, real players, left during that time that so many were being suspended. And now look what Mdawg does instead of posting his phony win reports. He attacks everyone, not just me, although I bare the brunt, but everybody that ever dared challenge him, even Axelwolf. It is an agenda to discredit. This guy Mdawg is a sleezebag and a troll, and set out to mock and disrupt WoV and even mock Mike, IMO. He is a clone of Rob Singer. Actually using many things from the singer playbook.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  15. #1475
    Mission, basically my problem with Mike is the same problem I had with Norm before Mike. If you give these people a platform to spew this kind of voodoo nonsense that defies the math and the way things work, as math guys and real players, you have a responsibility to call some of this out. And if you are a guy like Mike, (maybe Norm too) that is uncomfortable with that, then at the very least you need to allow other members to do so. Just allowing this kind of thing on your forum almost amounts to an endorsement. And allowing it with out challenging it or allowing others to even more amounts to an endorsement.

    These forums aren't like GF where the guy isn't a math guy or gambling expert and only cares about traffic. Mike (and Norm) are math guys and gambling experts (or blackjack in Norms case).
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  16. #1476
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post

    It's nothing against MDawg, but back when it seemed like 50% of the forum activity was combative and seemed to involve him, especially when Wellbush and MarcusClark were around, had I still been an Admin it would have been, "Just give me a reason." It's nothing personal; I generally like MDawg now, but I would have seen all of this as both disruptive and a net negative to the forum.

    Now, looking at the thread just for you, it seems that the last few days are pictures, session results and he likes to discuss happenings on the ground, in Las Vegas. The pictures are cool and the discussions are civil. MDawg v. The World is also not seemingly pervading every other thread on the forum.

    Honestly, there's a total difference in the overall tone of his thread now. All's well that ends well, imo. If ever MDawg did do harm to the forum, I certainly don't see what harm he's doing now. I'll probably actually keep an eye on the thread a bit as I didn't know MDawg discusses news stories, and such, until now.
    Weren't Wellbush and MarcusClark sockpuppets of Madwg? If not sock puppets some kind of confederate/accomplice.

    The pictures of different things and the goings on in Vegas are fine. I commented just the other day that there were some great pics posted in that thread from the U2 concert. And even the story of a higher limit player that wins and loses and gets great comps would have been great. I always said that.

    And yes, When Mdawg posts of his play now, he gets almost no response. 1 or 2 people that I think are more or less playing with him by responding, like SooPoo. And that is good. But what did it take to get here? A number of good posters, real players, left during that time that so many were being suspended. And now look what Mdawg does instead of posting his phony win reports. He attacks everyone, not just me, although I bare the brunt, but everybody that ever dared challenge him, even Axelwolf. It is an agenda to discredit. This guy Mdawg is a sleezebag and a troll, and set out to mock and disrupt WoV and even mock Mike, IMO. He is a clone of Rob Singer. Actually using many things from the singer playbook.
    I can't imagine that they were sockpuppets of MDawg, or proven to be such, or MDawg would definitely be Nuked. I'd have to guess, gun to my head, they WERE NOT puppets of his as there's absolutely no way that an Admin never looked into that. I believe MarcusClark stated that he had various PM discourse with Dawg, but don't quote me on that. It was several years ago and I mostly tried to avoid the entire situation.

    Anyway, the thread looks basically fine now. People can stay or leave for any reason they wish. I'm not going to say anything that might be seen as an undue criticism of current Administration as I think current Administration is fine. I'd undoubtedly have found some reason to ban MDawg, had I been in their position, but everyone seems to mostly get along well-enough now.

    The big thing is that the various arguments about MDawg aren't seemingly pervading every thread in the Forum. That's the part I'd have taken strong action to do something about. In general terms, that strong action would have been to just let MDawg give me a reason to Nuke him. After MDawg would be nuked, then Wellbush and MarcusClark would have both blown gaskets over it and gotten themselves gone, as well. The two of them giving me the excuse I needed, with MDawg already gone, would have been all but inevitable.

  17. #1477
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Mission, basically my problem with Mike is the same problem I had with Norm before Mike. If you give these people a platform to spew this kind of voodoo nonsense that defies the math and the way things work, as math guys and real players, you have a responsibility to call some of this out. And if you are a guy like Mike, (maybe Norm too) that is uncomfortable with that, then at the very least you need to allow other members to do so. Just allowing this kind of thing on your forum almost amounts to an endorsement. And allowing it with out challenging it or allowing others to even more amounts to an endorsement.

    These forums aren't like GF where the guy isn't a math guy or gambling expert and only cares about traffic. Mike (and Norm) are math guys and gambling experts (or blackjack in Norms case).
    Maybe you have a responsibility. I don't. I can only make sure what I say is correct, but beyond that, other people are no concern of mine.

  18. #1478
    Would have been interesting if you had been an admin at the time and nuked MDawg to see if you were overruled.

    I say this because Mike has bent over backwards to allow this situation.

    Do you remember that in a public agreement with me, Mike agreed to move Mdawgs thread to the betting systems section in exchange for me to back off a bit. I agreed to that because the threads in the betting system were at the time hidden from the main board. And then some time later Mike changed that and allowed those threads to be seen. I didn't make too much of a big deal about this, but this was Mike reneging on that deal. I think it was Axelwolf that did point that out.

    And everyone knows why Mike reneged. MDawg worked him, played him, pressured him to do so.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

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    Yes, WoV used to have what seemed to be more AP's posting there about AP issues pre-MDawg, but is it fair to lay the blame for their departure solely on the doorstep of his seven-figure Las Vegas mansion?

    Advances in internet technology may also share the blame.

    Gotta think that serious AP's, including some who once posted there have migrated to private facebook groups, i.e. ones not open to the public / to the suits, where membership is "by invitation only."

    I'm just speculating but it makes sense.
    What, Me Worry?

  20. #1480
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Would have been interesting if you had been an admin at the time and nuked MDawg to see if you were overruled.

    I say this because Mike has bent over backwards to allow this situation.

    Do you remember that in a public agreement with me, Mike agreed to move Mdawgs thread to the betting systems section in exchange for me to back off a bit. I agreed to that because the threads in the betting system were at the time hidden from the main board. And then some time later Mike changed that and allowed those threads to be seen. I didn't make too much of a big deal about this, but this was Mike reneging on that deal. I think it was Axelwolf that did point that out.

    And everyone knows why Mike reneged. MDawg worked him, played him, pressured him to do so.
    It would be tough for me to speculate, but the only thing I can say is that (I believe) it would be the first time Mike ever overruled me about anything.

    Honestly, I think Mike was just happy that I kept the Forum in good order, for the most part. Anyone to have challenged anything I did with him must have lost, because I never heard about it. Mike never directly stated such, but the way I assumed things to be was, as long as everything was kept in good order, and I could at least publicly defend my decisions, then I pretty much had reign to do what I wanted.

    On occasion, I'd reach out to Mike and give him options of what could be done in a certain situation, then defer that decision to him...but on anything where I was free to do what I wanted-I can't remember him ever disagreeing with one of my decisions.

    Don't get me wrong-I couldn't have Nuked MDawg apropos of nothing. I couldn't have Nuked him because people thought his claims were ridiculous. There are subtle ways I could have gotten him to give me a reason, though. I can't really disclose my tactics just in case of the unlikely event that I ever become an Admin there again. I'd first have to want to do so; secondly, I would refuse to do it without it being absolutely unanimous. If a single Member of the Forum were to object to me being an Admin, then I wouldn't do it.

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