Professional Sportsbetting

[kewlJ]

Ok, let me explain. At the two sports books I have been using for awhile, YouWager and oddsmaker, I have a "host". This isn't a host like Mdawg or some high roller would have. I am sure it is just a rep, assigned to me. And when I am not betting they call and leave messages offering bonuses and rollovers that I don't see offered on their sites. Again, this isn't because of any high roller status, but contrary, because of my status as a losing player for several years.

So I was able to get good bonuses at low rollover, for each of these. Now after completing the withdrawals, and it more obvious what I was doing, I suspect I will not be able to get such a good deal, when I go to repeat. Maybe rollover requirements so steep, it will not be worth the effort. We will see when the time comes.

As for crypto. I don't use it. Just not familiar or comfortable enough, and not even that interested in learning more.

[Don Perignom]

At the two sports books I have been using for awhile, YouWager and oddsmaker, I have a "host".

Nice! Both of those books are on my "considering" list. I've seen complaints that YouWager doesn't like winners, but who does?

[AxelWolf]

So now you'll understand why my ears perk up when someone has something with an autopilot +EV method with solid statistics, math, and data backed up with history.

Yes, understood.

And on other forums I've seen people complain of being limited to $5 or even $1 bets, midway through the wager requirement.

Yeah but those are state and government regulated places. As far as I know the offshore places don't limit you that low they just ban you.

[AxelWolf]

Ok, let me explain. At the two sports books I have been using for awhile, YouWager and oddsmaker, I have a "host". This isn't a host like Mdawg or some high roller would have. I am sure it is just a rep, assigned to me. And when I am not betting they call and leave messages offering bonuses and rollovers that I don't see offered on their sites. Again, this isn't because of any high roller status, but contrary, because of my status as a losing player for several years.

So I was able to get good bonuses at low rollover, for each of these. Now after completing the withdrawals, and it more obvious what I was doing, I suspect I will not be able to get such a good deal, when I go to repeat. Maybe rollover requirements so steep, it will not be worth the effort. We will see when the time comes.

As for crypto. I don't use it. Just not familiar or comfortable enough, and not even that interested in learning more.

Yes. I totally understand, I get calls and emails daily and have 'hosts' that take care of me. I have some accounts with a huge negative balance because I ran bad on that particular account while running good on a different site.

However, no matter what I have never been offered super low wagering requirements, and I even put in cover play on slots. So again. I ask whats the wagering requirements they offered? If there's a place that offered you a big bonus and 10x wagering on your deposit(Rare nowadays), I would like to know... I'll know where I should target and I'll know to hold out for a better deal. Sure I have seen situations where someone is a total degenerate player losing many 10's of thousands and they will do whatever it takes to keep those guys. But I don't think you are in that situation.

[Don Perignom]

As far as I know the offshore places don't limit you that low they just ban you.

I don't know about it being the norm, but there are reports. Here's a thread on MyBookie:

https://www.bookmakersreview.com/for...g-funds.46241/

OP was limited to $6, and then down the page another poster was limited to $1.

There's a thread on Xbet doing the same, and I find recent complaints about similar tactics from Bovada. They're off-limits to those of us in NV though.

[AxelWolf]

As far as I know the offshore places don't limit you that low they just ban you.

I don't know about it being the norm, but there are reports. Here's a thread on MyBookie:

https://www.bookmakersreview.com/for...g-funds.46241/

OP was limited to $6, and then down the page another poster was limited to $1.

There's a thread on Xbet doing the same, and I find recent complaints about similar tactics from Bovada. They're off-limits to those of us in NV though.

I have accounts at all of those places. I can't use Bovada anymore. XBet I think I'm not supposed to be on there from the US(I could be wrong) I didn't push it. I don't like them for various reasons.

I hit and ran on Mybookie they rubbed me the wrong way. They wanted me to make up wagering requirements on my next deposit after losing everything.Evenually they backtracked and dismissed previous wagering but that left a bad taste in my mouth. It's just not worth it to me if a place is doing anything I don't like. I'll move on unless they have something spectacular.

[AxelWolf]

As far as I know the offshore places don't limit you that low they just ban you.

I don't know about it being the norm, but there are reports. Here's a thread on MyBookie:

https://www.bookmakersreview.com/for...g-funds.46241/

OP was limited to $6, and then down the page another poster was limited to $1.

There's a thread on Xbet doing the same, and I find recent complaints about similar tactics from Bovada. They're off-limits to those of us in NV though.

P.S. Thanks for the information... keep it coming.

[kewlJ]

I sent the info via PM Axelwolf.

Don P, I attempted to send it to you as well, but you don't accept PM's. If you change that, I will be happy to send it along to you as well.

[MaxPen]

Ok, let me explain. At the two sports books I have been using for awhile, YouWager and oddsmaker, I have a "host". This isn't a host like Mdawg or some high roller would have. I am sure it is just a rep, assigned to me. And when I am not betting they call and leave messages offering bonuses and rollovers that I don't see offered on their sites. Again, this isn't because of any high roller status, but contrary, because of my status as a losing player for several years.

So I was able to get good bonuses at low rollover, for each of these. Now after completing the withdrawals, and it more obvious what I was doing, I suspect I will not be able to get such a good deal, when I go to repeat. Maybe rollover requirements so steep, it will not be worth the effort. We will see when the time comes.

As for crypto. I don't use it. Just not familiar or comfortable enough, and not even that interested in learning more.

Yes. I totally understand, I get calls and emails daily and have 'hosts' that take care of me. I have some accounts with a huge negative balance because I ran bad on that particular account while running good on a different site.

However, no matter what I have never been offered super low wagering requirements, and I even put in cover play on slots. So again. I ask whats the wagering requirements they offered? If there's a place that offered you a big bonus and 10x wagering on your deposit(Rare nowadays), I would like to know... I'll know where I should target and I'll know to hold out for a better deal. Sure I have seen situations where someone is a total degenerate player losing many 10's of thousands and they will do whatever it takes to keep those guys. But I don't think you are in that situation.

You realize you're asking a known fraud, right?

[cyberbabble]

Is there a bit of skepticism creeping in here?

[smurgerburger]

He is either seriously deranged or he secretly loves the abuse.

[accountinquestion]

He is either seriously deranged or he secretly loves the abuse.

It doesn't have to be one or the other ..

[AxelWolf]

I feel that I've only scratched the surface on offshore +EV bonus betting. I don't want to burn out first-time deposit bonuses, unless I believe I can truly maximize the value, or at least come somewhat close. I don't feel like I can do that with the time and dedication needed to find Value bets. Any and all information regarding the subject is of interest to me.

I'll have to see what KJ says but I find it to be skeptical if he's getting $21k in bonuses with only a 10 times rollover on the deposit. If I recall correctly Mickey did some math on KJ's value and KJ confirmed. But now thinking about it, I believe Mickey Crimm did the math on 100% bonuses with only a 10 times rollover on the initial deposit and not the bonus amount included. I don't know, perhaps somebody could go back and Link me to Mickey's post and I can reread it.

[Don Perignom]

I feel that I've only scratched the surface on offshore +EV bonus betting. I don't want to burn out first-time deposit bonuses, unless I believe I can truly maximize the value, or at least come somewhat close. I don't feel like I can do that with the time and dedication needed to find Value bets.

I think I'm too cheap to subscribe to an odds comparison site. Just one of them can cost $100 or more monthly. I'm more likely to scrape along with what I can find for free.

So far I'm not seeing anything amazingly special from welcome bonuses. Value may be no better than the regular reloads. And if you burn off one welcome bonus, you still may have others available for different deposit methods or gaming categories (e.g., casino instead of sports).

BetOnline for instance has a 50% welcome at 10x, and/or a 100% crypto at 14x. And there's a 25% sports reload at 6x.

By my math, they're all roughly the same rebate value ranging from 3.33 to 3.57%.

I tried doing the same math for Oddsmaker and YouWager, but on my first pass I couldn't figure out the exact T&Cs.

[mickeycrimm]

I feel that I've only scratched the surface on offshore +EV bonus betting. I don't want to burn out first-time deposit bonuses, unless I believe I can truly maximize the value, or at least come somewhat close. I don't feel like I can do that with the time and dedication needed to find Value bets. Any and all information regarding the subject is of interest to me.

I'll have to see what KJ says but I find it to be skeptical if he's getting $21k in bonuses with only a 10 times rollover on the deposit. If I recall correctly Mickey did some math on KJ's value and KJ confirmed. But now thinking about it, I believe Mickey Crimm did the math on 100% bonuses with only a 10 times rollover on the initial deposit and not the bonus amount included. I don't know, perhaps somebody could go back and Link me to Mickey's post and I can reread it.

KJ didn't give the amount of rollover or how much he deposited. He said he had to do a 100K wager to get 21K. I went off that. He did it making max $300 bets. So it took him about 334 bets to clear the wager.

Using perfect numbers the cost at -110 to run off the 100K would be 4.545% or $4,545. I think KJ said he got -105 on Fridays. At -105 the theoretical cost on a 100K wager would be 2.38% or $2,380.

[AxelWolf]

I feel that I've only scratched the surface on offshore +EV bonus betting. I don't want to burn out first-time deposit bonuses, unless I believe I can truly maximize the value, or at least come somewhat close. I don't feel like I can do that with the time and dedication needed to find Value bets. Any and all information regarding the subject is of interest to me.

I'll have to see what KJ says but I find it to be skeptical if he's getting $21k in bonuses with only a 10 times rollover on the deposit. If I recall correctly Mickey did some math on KJ's value and KJ confirmed. But now thinking about it, I believe Mickey Crimm did the math on 100% bonuses with only a 10 times rollover on the initial deposit and not the bonus amount included. I don't know, perhaps somebody could go back and Link me to Mickey's post and I can reread it.

KJ didn't give the amount of rollover or how much he deposited. He said he had to do a 100K wager to get 21K. I went off that. He did it making max $300 bets. So it took him about 334 bets to clear the wager.

Using perfect numbers the cost at -110 to run off the 100K would be 4.545% or $4,545. I think KJ said he got -105 on Fridays. At -105 the theoretical cost on a 100K wager would be 2.38% or $2,380.

Hmmmm.... What am I missing here? wouldn't 100k in wagering to get 21k in bonuses be only 4.7 times.

[kewlJ]

Using perfect numbers the cost at -110 to run off the 100K would be 4.545% or $4,545. I think KJ said he got -105 on Fridays. At -105 the theoretical cost on a 100K wager would be 2.38% or $2,380.

The -105 juice was only at one sportsbook of the 4 I used. But it was the biggest, with the most wagers. So if you are going to do an analysis of theo cost, I would use -108 at a combines number. And my actual loss (-5960) would be more than the theo loss. It was the last weekend that really did me in, eating into the bonus money more than I had hoped. That was the one bad week I had. I had been above or just a hair below .500 for up until that final week.

So I was on the bad side of variance or theo and still make 15k over 8 weeks, doing something I enjoy and would have done anyway. I'll take that.

Hoping to reset and do it again as soon as withdrawals are complete. But that will be dependent on what kind of bonuses and rollovers I am offered. If the next offers aren't good enough, I guess I could go sports book shopping, but I am just not up on what sportsbooks to avoid and that kind of stuff, so probably won't get into that right now.

[cyberbabble]

Without knowing deposit amounts, bonus percentages, or rollover requirements it's difficult to know if $21K in profit is reasonable.

KJ is a shy fellow that likes to keep the details of his business off of the internet.

He just received a multi 100 thousand dollar lump sum for his broken arm. Bonus whoring is a low variance, low risk pursuit if done properly. Make a lot of relatively small bets and let variance smooth it out for a small win or loss. KJ easily could have committed $50K to $100K. Make 300 bets of $300 on a 50/50 proposition and the risk would be minimal.

He also was able to get bonus offers that are better than what the general public gets. Maybe 125% or 150% instead of 100% on the bonus amount. Maybe 5x or 6x on the rollover instead of 10x.

It is reasonable to keep the details quiet. It might get back to the sportsbooks that he is talking about his private bonus offers on the internet. I am quite sure they wouldn't like it and might cut his future offers.

Taking all of this into account, a profit of $21K doesn't seem out of reach.

[AxelWolf]

Without knowing deposit amounts, bonus percentages, or rollover requirements it's difficult to know if $21K in profit is reasonable.

KJ is a shy fellow that likes to keep the details of his business off of the internet.

He just received a multi 100 thousand dollar lump sum for his broken arm. Bonus whoring is a low variance, low risk pursuit if done properly. Make a lot of relatively small bets and let variance smooth it out for a small win or loss. KJ easily could have committed $50K to $100K. Make 300 bets of $300 on a 50/50 proposition and the risk would be minimal.

He also was able to get bonus offers that are better than what the general public gets. Maybe 125% or 150% instead of 100% on the bonus amount. Maybe 5x or 6x on the rollover instead of 10x.

It is reasonable to keep the details quiet. It might get back to the sportsbooks that he is talking about his private bonus offers on the internet. I am quite sure they wouldn't like it and might cut his future offers.

Taking all of this into account, a profit of $21K doesn't seem out of reach.

150% is definitely a thing HOWEVER it comes with a minimum of 12-15 x deposit and bonus of rollover. They are willing to give you higher a percentage but with a higher rollover. A friend was just offered a 100% but with a 15x B+D.

Let me ask again: Am I missing something.. 21k in bonuses with a 100k rolling over would only a be 4.7 x rollover? If so, KJ is a killer negotiator and for his first-time sports bonus hunting offshore in this day and age, he has managed to outsmart everyone including guys who have been in this game for years. I can see a few small loyalty $100-$200 special offers 100% with a 4-5 times rollover.

[MaxPen]

Without knowing deposit amounts, bonus percentages, or rollover requirements it's difficult to know if $21K in profit is reasonable.

KJ is a shy fellow that likes to keep the details of his business off of the internet.

He just received a multi 100 thousand dollar lump sum for his broken arm. Bonus whoring is a low variance, low risk pursuit if done properly. Make a lot of relatively small bets and let variance smooth it out for a small win or loss. KJ easily could have committed $50K to $100K. Make 300 bets of $300 on a 50/50 proposition and the risk would be minimal.

He also was able to get bonus offers that are better than what the general public gets. Maybe 125% or 150% instead of 100% on the bonus amount. Maybe 5x or 6x on the rollover instead of 10x.

It is reasonable to keep the details quiet. It might get back to the sportsbooks that he is talking about his private bonus offers on the internet. I am quite sure they wouldn't like it and might cut his future offers.

Taking all of this into account, a profit of $21K doesn't seem out of reach.

150% is definitely a thing HOWEVER it comes with a minimum of 12-15 x deposit and bonus of rollover. They are willing to give you higher a percentage but with a higher rollover. A friend was just offered a 100% but with a 15x B+D.

Let me ask again: Am I missing something.. 21k in bonuses with a 100k rolling over would only a be 4.7 x rollover? If so, KJ is a killer negotiator and for his first-time sports bonus hunting offshore in this day and age, he has managed to outsmart everyone including guys who have been in this game for years. I can see a few small loyalty $100-$200 special offers 100% with a 4-5 times rollover.

Are you calling FraudJ a liar? Say it isn't so...lol