Math vs fantasy

[AxelWolf]

Spike was the target of very high quality flaming back in the day at Gamblers Glen.

There were some very serious, head strong roulette players on that board, many from countries other than the USA, and they tore him a new ass hole on a regular basis.

Thing is...he liked it.

The guy only seeks attention; heck I warned y'all about this clown when he first popped in recently; his reputation precedes him.

Isn't it always roulette and baccarat players that are the delusional voodoo loving crazies?

Well, I guess the was Rob and video poker. But more often than not it is baccarat and roulette.

But here's the thing, Bob and many others are dealing with live dealer random events. Machine RNGs are made by human beings, given the right circumstances they are solvable. So it's conceivable that someone might actually believe they have figured out something in order to Beat It. I actually do believe Rob believes that he knows something about beating video poker, I don't believe he's making that up. I'm not saying I believe it's possible, but I believe he actually believes.

Case in point, I became good friends with a very smart individual who's the author of many gaming books, he's semi-known, he knows and understands Advantage Play, he knows and understands math and randomness, he's done interviews, and videos, has been on the news worked for casinos etc, etc, had access and information to certain people at IGT.

To this day(well, it's been a long while since last we talked) swears there are certain numbers that come up more often in Keno machines. He adamantly claims he is significantly ahead playing Keno. I have no doubt he's ahead playing Keno, however, I believe the number of spots he is playing could easily put someone ahead lifetime by just running very good.

At some point, he and I were discussing this, and of course, I was saying this doesn't seem likely or even possible, it's just variance. Soon after that he took me over to a couple of machines(not IGT) and showed me something by swiping the screen in a special way the cards that were behind the other cards that would have come out had you held different cards. There was no way to take advantage of this information because it was after the fact. The fact is, he showed me something on a machine that nobody else I knew of knew. He didn't really care if I believed him, he wasn't encouraging me to play it was just something we discussed as I knew him to have an understanding of math, Advantage Play, and value, yet he played keno frequently.

I don't think he would mind me mentioning his name and this story, but I would like to confirm prior to doing so. I'm sure someone can guess. I probably mentioned it before somewhere.

[coach belly]

Or buying things at Dollar Tree and returning them to Walmart and considering that an AP move.

Like I said...lowlife grifter.

Must have been taught the art of the grift from some auto mechanic.

[coach belly]

So what is it that you think? I moved across country, to Las Vegas to pull of some long running, 15 year, troll? Give me a fucking break.

I think you joined WOV to use it as a dating site, and fabricated the blackjack story as a catfishing scheme.

[AxelWolf]

You have proven to be deceptive,

Only in your muddled mind where everything is confused and contradictory and it's always the other person's fault never yours.

The proof is on Wizard of Vegas. You made up an alias and lied about having a friend, and carried on various conversations to cover up who you were, you made up an entire persona, you answered questions with lies to cover Your Tracks Etc. That my friend, is in fact being deceptive. I don't care what your reasoning/ excuses are, that is in fact deceptive Behavior.

[AxelWolf]

Maybe you'll earn enough to buy things and keep them, instead of using them & returning them, like some broke secretary and a party dress.

Or buying things at Dollar Tree and returning them to Walmart and considering that an AP move. Has he told that one here yet? He really doesn't see that as stealing. He posted that on wov and it didn't go over very well.

I believe the title was Advantage Play Moves other than gambling or something like that, and of course, that is. I'm not ashamed of having done that, and I make no apologies. It was recently legitimately returning something to Walmart with my wife who brought our puppy along. It was super early in the morning and there was no line or anyone behind. The return lady absolutely loved our dog which started a conversation. I felt comfortable enough to ask her about this. I said, if I buy something knowing that I'll probably use and return it, is that something you guys have it issue with? She said, most items are fine, however, some are restricted, but as long as you have the original packaging, everything is all there, it's within the time frame and you have a receipt they don't have an issue with it. She did note that any and all food items, including dog products, opened or not get thrown away.

[kewlJ]

I think you joined WOV to use it as a dating site, and fabricated the blackjack story as a catfishing scheme.

Don't you people get tired of this shit?

[AxelWolf]

I can guarantee at least 240k in cash, royalties, or a percentage.

You should become his agent or manager.

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If it were actually real, I would absolutely love to, I can't think of a scenario that wouldn't make us both filthy stupid rich.

[AxelWolf]

I just have something you don't understand, something that is obviously out of your realm of understanding

Let me guess...scabies?

Okay, now you're showing your age

[Spike]

If it were actually real, I would absolutely love to, I can't think of a scenario that wouldn't make us both filthy stupid rich.

Stupid being the main word in the sentence. Your problem is that you're an addicted greedy problem gambler. You have no idea how to look at anything as a regular business, with a business plan, and a future. All you think about is grab and run and try to get away with it again.

[AxelWolf]

What is your criteria for placing a bet?

A legitimate question? You weren't going to call me a name or insult my mother first? How odd.. I play a certain game that I invented that I play within the game of roulette. I can only play this game when the outcomes are cooperating which they are not most of the time. So I have to wait. It's much easier online in Michigan now because they have legal online gambling here. Sometimes at a brick and mortar Casino I would go and never see a bet the whole time I was there. Here is a simple example of what I mean. This is an EXAMPLE this is NOT what I do. This is nothing like what I do. Let's say you have a simplistic game where you only bet on streaks that have been going on for eight outcomes or more. So you see eight Reds and you bet red. That's having a very specific game and waiting for the outcomes to play your game. Once again this is NOT what I do, what I do is much more complicated. What will now happen is Axel will skim this post and tomorrow accuse me of waiting for streaks. I guarantee it this is what he always does. Because he never reads anything with comprehension, I can't count the number of times he's asked me the exact same question because he doesn't remember that I already answered it.

Can you show me a post anywhere where I asked or accused you of waiting for streaks? I normally remember the questions I ask you, however, you often backtrack and change your stories around, therefore, I need to ask and confirm again. I ask and confirm because sometimes it seems very obvious that you don't understand the questions being asked, or don't know how to answer properly.
It's good to get you on the record multiple times so you can't make up s*** later while claiming you didn't understand the question, you simply missed answered, or whatever. I can go back and find multiple different things where you said one thing and totally changed it to something else later.

For example, do you remember how you said you flat bet while using Martingale or some nonsense like that? People have pointed out how you've contradicted yourself practically in the same sentence.

One needs to just go look at the threads where you are discussing some math concepts, it's absolutely embarrassingly cringe-worthy reading your non-existent competent levels of understanding simple gambling math concepts.

[Spike]

One needs to just go look at the threads where you are discussing some math concepts, it's absolutely embarrassingly cringe-worthy reading your non-existent competent levels of understanding simple gambling math concepts.

More of your bullshit. Give some examples of the cringe-worthy math and I will gladly set you straight. Because it's just another example of you misreading, not reading, skim reading, misunderstanding, forgetting, confusing, everything you think you've read. You always blame it on the other person and it's never you that's at fault. So bring it on and I will say he's straight.

[AxelWolf]

If it were actually real, I would absolutely love to, I can't think of a scenario that wouldn't make us both filthy stupid rich.

Stupid being the main word in the sentence. Your problem is that you're an addicted greedy problem gambler. You have no idea how to look at anything as a regular business, with a business plan, and a future. All you think about is grab and run and try to get away with it again.

YOU WANT TO FUCKING BET!!!!!!! (LOL)

I'm anything but addicted to gambling. If anything, I don't gamble nearly enough.. And no one who knows me has ever accused me of being greedy. I can show some pretty compelling evidence and witnesses to the contrary of your statements calling me an addictive Gambler and greedy. What time you have any Witnesses or compelling evidence to back up any of your claims I'm all f****** ears boy.
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Said the guy who claims he finally took some of my advice and even tried to recruit me to get involved.

Yes, I absolutely love your business plan.
A) Years of tediously watching roulette while keeping Chicken Scratch notes in cheap spiral-bound notebooks.
B) Never advance your income or growth while using the most archaic technology possible to get the minimal job done.
C) Make sure you can only make in 20 years that of what you could make significantly more in a matter of days.

[AxelWolf]

One needs to just go look at the threads where you are discussing some math concepts, it's absolutely embarrassingly cringe-worthy reading your non-existent competent levels of understanding simple gambling math concepts.

More of your bullshit. Give some examples of the cringe-worthy math and I will gladly set you straight. Because it's just another example of you misreading, not reading, skim reading, misunderstanding, forgetting, confusing, everything you think you've read. You always blame it on the other person and it's never you that's at fault. So bring it on and I will say he's straight.

Dude, I don't even think I was involved in your math conversation at the time, if so, it was very minimal. When I get a hair up my ass I'll go back and look, it's absolutely comical. I'm pretty sure you were taking an ass-pounding from multiple people, so it has nothing to do with my skimming or misunderstanding what you were saying. I'm pretty sure it's an Abbott and Costello Who's on First f****** situation

[Spike]

I don't even think I was involved in your math conversation at the time, if so, it was very minimal.

No kidding, that's why you have no Authority about this when you speak. Seriously go back and find some of this comical math you are talking about and I'll set you straight. But you won't do that, because that takes all the power away from you making blanket stupid ridiculous jackass statements. You're just another member of the crowd that pigpiles on when they don't have the biggest idea what they're talking about.

[MaxPen]

why not share them with the world?

Is that how it works on these forums?

My impression is that sharing "plays" was/is frowned upon by the APs.

I've read that they flip out and get downright nasty about that.

Dude, seriously.... Don't think small. Being able to guess randomness with an 80% hit rate goes way beyond any AP. Not even NASA, the government, scientists, mathematicians, hackers, mega computers, or the smartest people in the world can't boast of more than a 50% hit rate on random events. Perhaps someone can claim a coin flip or some situation is actully weighted and they can get slightly over a 50/50.

Being able to use educated guesses to "predict" random outcomes with an 80% hit rate is world-changing technology, it would change everything we know.

Bob says he just piddles around for hours while paying his monthly bills($300 to $1500 a month?)

Bob claims time is the most precious thing in the world, so let's give more precious time to him.

let's assume 1k per month, and let's assume he will live 20 years. If he can prove what he claims, I can guarantee at least 240k in cash, royalties, or a percentage. He could still play his roulette and make interest on that 240k. TBH if he could prove his claims and how he does it, it would probably be worth billions. If Bob can't handle the excess amount of money, just take what he needs or set up a trust. I'm sure he could feed all the starving cats in the world problem.
Bob may only know how to use it for gambling, but I can guarantee you that if it was legit, people would pay 100's of millions for this ability.

He seems to be self-aware enough to know he can't handle too much money, therefore you would think he would be able to find ways to avoid those difficulties in advance.

I can't even imagine the total implications of being able to guess randomness with an 80% hit rate, I'm sure someone with an above-subpar math ability(such as Even Bob's) using more than pens and notebooks such as advanced level Science and Mathematics along with advanced computer technology could get that 80% hit rate to a far higher hit rate. We are talking about solving randomness. I'm sure it's far above our imagination.
If they can get a guy to the Moon with so very little computing power, just imagine what someone could do with the ability to guess randomness with a minimum of an 80% hit rate while adding it to modern computer technology.

I have a feeling Bob is single-handedly holding us back from becoming a class one or two civilization.

But he's not claiming to guess randomness. He's claiming something much deeper.

[AxelWolf]

I don't even think I was involved in your math conversation at the time, if so, it was very minimal.

No kidding, that's why you have no Authority about this when you speak. Seriously go back and find some of this comical math you are talking about and I'll set you straight. But you won't do that, because that takes all the power away from you making blanket stupid ridiculous jackass statements. You're just another member of the crowd that pigpiles on when they don't have the biggest idea what they're talking about.

How about this, I'll link to whatever I think is pertinent. You get 24 hours to plead your case. We put up a nonanonymous voting poll if people vote it's comical/you are a math idiot, you stop posting on any and all forums for one month if people find it not to be comical/ you are an idiot mather questions or conversations. I'll refrain from posting on any and all forums for a month. We will only count votes from non-suspicious members either way. IE we won't let Karen vote 15 times with all her sock puppets.

[MDawg]

Oh..."Pluck your magic twanger, Froggy."

You go, oldtimer.

Andy's Gang...LOL.

What grade were you in, in 1960?

In 1960 he was a freshman in high school. But he won't say because that would give away his age

If MrV is as "young" as he says, given that he was apparently a sole practitioner, then the theory that he was booted out of the profession makes more sense. Why else would he have closed shop? If he is as old as Spike claims, then his being retired for a period of time makes more sense.

[MDawg]

tewlj is notorious for presenting his imagination as fact.

According to him, it doesn't matter if he makes it all up, as long as the math works.

That summarizes UNKewLyingJ pretty well, except that many of his fables don't pass muster math or even logic wise, and fly in the face of all sensibility.

At this point anyone who thinks FraudJ represents anything truthfully or factually correct is a fool.....RIP

He is in fact here solely here to troll, to lie, and has no other function. His actual reality is homeless in tunnels. The fable he wants us to believe has nothing to do with what's really going on at his end.

KJ is different because (1) I initially believed him, more or less, and (2) he is imo a complete fraud. I don't mean a liar, I mean a complete fraud, like catfish style. And that is not something you see every day and is really kind of fascinating.

The nineteen most major UNKewl lies I can think of concern (1) his lie about Moses showing up at a condo he claimed he lived at, (2) a condo it turned out that he has no ownership in, (3) his faking his own death, (4) lying about ever having been robbed, (5) the nonsense about MGM execs showing up at his apartment on Halloween to give him player records on someone who isn't even MDawg, (6) the backrooming lawsuit, (7) the lie about being doxxed, or ever having his name placed in any casino database, (8) the rigged shuffler, (9) $50. free play for $100K win on a slot progressive, (10) $50K multi hand VP hit, (11) winning a car, (12) the lie about never asking anyone else to prove anything, (13) the lie about knowing attorney Nersesian well or at all, and having him on "speed dial," (14) lies that made it clear that he has never filed taxes as a professional gambler, (15) fabricated sports bets, (16) lies about that he has calculated his exact "expected win" over a decade and a half period, (17) lies about the "oily" surfboard, (18) lied about whether or not he was gay, (19) the lie about even having a dead "soul mate" which he recanted.

That rigged shuffler story, besides not making any sense, reaffirmed in my mind that this guy really doesn't play much table games, because I'd expect such nonsense from a recreational player, not a card counter.

And as usual, as he gets hemmed in, he is changing the story on some of these. Even renounced the existence of his "soul mate" claims he lied about him and his gay marriage too!

[MDawg]

the casinos still will not just allow and welcome a player to play and win

The reason UNKewlLyingJ gets booted time and again from casinos is because he's become a known male prostitute. That's the only "entry" UNKewlJ has made into any "database."

[PositiveVariance]

if EvenBob had some magical winning system, he wouldn't have been driving a cab and managed or owned a bar.

Doesn't sound like magic to me, seems like he puts effort into it.

You have no idea how much effort. I've been doing this for 18 years every day. Not playing for real money every day, but at least practicing everyday

Serious question:
What are you practicing?
I cant even begin to tell you how comical it is when Gambling system players bring up "Practicing". What in the Hell are you practicing? I'm not trying to be funny. It is a serious question?

Let me get this correct, you have a system that you have "studied" for almost 2 decades that allows you to win at will with an 80% hit rate, but you feel the need to spend most of your time "practicing" on free play money tables?

After over 50,000 post across various forums, I would think you would have this figured out?

Do you know what is great about math?
I don't need to know a single thing about your system, to know EXACTLY what the results will be. I am not even the slightest bit curious to your technique. Do you know why? Because I, as well as everyone else with half a brain knows the EXACT outcome.

What is that outcome?
For American Roulette it is 5.26%
No more, no less, 5.26%

Whatever system/technique that you or any other "system player" can come up with, the results are already known!

The work has already been done for you!
THERE IS NOTHING TO STUDY!

The reason you always feel the need to study/tweak your system, is because it DOESN'T WORK. Most of these systems are designed for many small wins for every one massive loss. The 1 loss is enough to wipe out all the small winnings plus some. It is at that point, you feel the need to "study/practice", as if there is actually something to work out, or something to improve upon.

The work has been done for you, Stop searching! The edge is 5.26% regardless of how much you "practice". Please, save yourself!

Spike, wouldn't you love to get to the point where you know the outcome of a system prior to it being simulated? or better yet, prior to the details of that system being known? You would feel super human, right? Well guess what? Once you learn basic math concepts, you can belong to this group as well! When someone says, "I have a system for American Roulette", your first thought should be "5.26%". You shouldn't even be the slightest bit curious as to the details/elements of that system. Any AP/math guy here isn't even slightly curious of your system, or any other system. Why? Because we already know the outcome. Not only do we know the outcome, we know the EXACT long-term outcome. Playing short term does NOT change this. The only reason they want to know is to prove it works EXACTLY the same as every other Roulette system and that is losing $5.26 for every $100 wagered.

The reason you do not give details of your system is because you know it will be tore apart by math, and it will be PROVEN that it is -EV to the tune of 5.26% in the houses favor.

I mean absolutely no disrespect by the following statement, but it has to be true.
If you have a hit rate of 80% and are still practicing and not turning this into the most significant finding of the last 1,000 years, you are either:

A) Delusional
B) Lying

I'm going with the latter.