Here you go AxelWolf

[Rob.Singer]

You guys don't know the meaning of the term "broken down and always in need of repairs" until you've owned a '62 tri-powered Austin Healey 3000--which was my car during college.

By contrast, the Dodge muscle car I've had for about 6 years now has very surprisingly been completely trouble-free....and it's been highly modified. Even the battery lasted over 5 years. Impossible to drive in the snow though, and it's nerve-wracking in the rain.

There really is no perfect foreign car either.

[MisterV]

But we DO love our cars.

Reflections of ourselves, or how we want to be seen, or just "transportation?"

Polarizing: I just read an op-ed piece where the author railed about how selfish and bad it is to have cars that are as powerful and as fast as they are today.

"Slow down, dumb it down" seemed to be the message.

With EV's vs. gas becoming politicized I fear we'll see more and more of this.

[Rob.Singer]

It was inevitable: almost everyone likes acceleration, and nearly every car today has a lot of zip.

The funny thing is, pound for pound these new EV's are quite a bit faster than our gasoline beasts. I rented one of those basterdized Mustang EV's a few months ago. (Never again though, because you're always worrying about when and where you'll need & find your next charge on a trip). But the sob hauls ass, and the instantaneous 100% torque is a kick.

[accountinquestion]

For a world to be sustainable then we would have to get away from moving 2000 lbs of metal for a 2 lb item. The reality is people who might be ok with it don't want to be the one crumpling in a crash because some hillbilly in a 92 beater did something stupid as usual.

My non sports car would likely smoke Robs "muscle car". He is totally right though about the charging. If you are math challenged and make up silly gambling strategies then keeping up with the charging and limited availability of chargers won't be easy. They definitely have their downsides.

[MisterV]

No EV for me: bah, humbug.

Not only is there charging anxiety, the entire concept of EV's is a house of cards built on sand.

The gov't implemented aggressive moves to require EV ownership over time; fine in theory but what about actuality?

The argument made is that it will help stop global warming.

Pshaw.

Unless or until electricity is generated without using oil, gas or coal then they're just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Wind powered electricity is too expensive for generating the quantities needed for a land of almost all EV's, and I see no clamor to build nuclear plants, which is what should be done (also designate Yucca as the depository and bury it deep).

[accountinquestion]

No EV for me: bah, humbug.

Not only is there charging anxiety, the entire concept of EV's is a house of cards built on sand.

The gov't implemented aggressive moves to require EV ownership over time; fine in theory but what about actuality?

The argument made is that it will help stop global warming.

Pshaw.

Unless or until electricity is generated without using oil, gas or coal then they're just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Wind powered electricity is too expensive for generating the quantities needed for a land of almost all EV's, and I see no clamor to build nuclear plants, which is what should be done (also designate Yucca as the depository and bury it deep).

House of cards? How so? How is it any different than ICE cars? What rubbish. I can use my car indefinitely until it breaks if I am properly off the grid (ie solar). You require a whole many leveled system of infrastructure in place to keep your car fueled. Granted we both rely on a supply chain that is fragile but "house of cards" is a comically dopey ass thing to say.

I don't think the government's "aggressive moves to require" have had much to do with the adoption. Maybe their subsidies did but that is not "requiring".

Ultimately things have to be done in layers. You aren't wrong that electric cars won't save us. However the infrastructure has to be there as one of many steps to go to a theoretically sustainable world. I don't believe it'll happen either way but EVs are definitely more in the right direction.

Batteries can be recycled. This is a point you never see from people who regurgitate fossil fuel talking points. Honestly it seems like something those people never considered because they were never told. (and thats all they do - repeat what they're told. )

I've had my car for near 2 years and only one time was I even remotely scared of running out of power. Having to wait the extra 15 minutes on refueling is a pain. As is having to go out of your way moreso than a gas station sucks. If you don't travel and just commute around town you literally don't have to spend any time fueling it up. When traveling distances I plug it in and typically go in the store or eat. Last time I filled up my car on a road trip there was a nice cafeteria a few hundred feet away. Had a nice meal then walked out to my car and we were good to go. I could make the argument it was more efficient often times.

[jbjb]

Few weeks back we saw a Tesla sitting abandoned on the side of the freeway. No thanks!

[MisterV]

House of cards? How so? How is it any different than ICE cars? What rubbish...I don't think the government's "aggressive moves to require" have had much to do with the adoption.

The infrastructure to support ICE is in place and has proven to be effective, and gasoline powered cars do not pollute much any more: I could certainly live with it.

For you EV owners: good luck "filling 'er up" with electrons when we get to the point where there are more EV's than electricity to fuel them: the cost of driving will soar through the roof due to skyrocketing electricity costs.

And let's not forget the need to come up with new ways to pay for roads / maintenance; currently the money comes from taxes on gas, and EV owners have enjoyed the benefit without bearing the burden: expect that to change soon.

[accountinquestion]

Few weeks back we saw a Tesla sitting abandoned on the side of the freeway. No thanks!

If you can handle the math EVs are actually more dependable.

[1Hit1der]

Much of the air pollution in your car enters from the outside as you travel, through open windows and air vents. Gasoline and diesel exhaust fumes contain a number of dangerous pollutants, including particulate matter, volatile organic compounds (VOCs), nitrogen oxides and carbon monoxide.

Pollutants from vehicle exhaust can affect more than just your lungs. Tailpipe pollutants pose health risks at every stage of life, and can even cause premature death.

[Rob.Singer]

For a world to be sustainable then we would have to get away from moving 2000 lbs of metal for a 2 lb item. The reality is people who might be ok with it don't want to be the one crumpling in a crash because some hillbilly in a 92 beater did something stupid as usual.

My non sports car would likely smoke Robs "muscle car". He is totally right though about the charging. If you are math challenged and make up silly gambling strategies then keeping up with the charging and limited availability of chargers won't be easy. They definitely have their downsides.

Once again, your misguided liberal beliefs have rendered you irrelevant....& wrong.

The only EV capable of out-performing a Hennessey Hellcat Charger in the 1/4 mile is Tesla Model S Plaid. In the half mile, mine wins. And you'd have to lay out at least $130k for a new Plaid. There may be even more expensive exotic EV's that could be as fast or faster--not sure. Either way, I don't race and don't care anyway.

Your stupid analogy about math and chargers snd gambling strategies is a real head-scratcher. But what else can one expect from a lonely old man who constantly scours forums just to be able to fill in his time as he marches toward death?

[Rob.Singer]

Few weeks back we saw a Tesla sitting abandoned on the side of the freeway. No thanks!

If you can handle the math EVs are actually more dependable.

And if you can handle the truth, you'd understand that more pollution gets released digging and mining for the precious metals needed for all those heavy lithium batteries that go into one EV, than gets released over 10 years of driving an ICE vehicle.

You're basically supporting China today when you buy an EV. That may change in the future, but with an America-hating President and Democrats in charge, that'll have to wait for Trump to return.

BTW did you watch Newsome lie his way thru that debate last night, constantly diverting and deflecting to other topics when DeSantis kept calling him out on those lies? The posted MATH (eh-em....) and stated reliable resources that proved liberal policies were destroying Calif. irked 'ol Gavin, and his only way out was to lie and lie again--WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS TELLING LIES ABOUT HIMSELF OR DESANTIS. Sort of like having kew up there trying to wiggle and squirm his way out of so many self-caused unflattering situations.

[1Hit1der]

Harry, don't you wish that you had schizophrenia, or the like, in which case they could have treated it, and, then, you might have gotten on with your life?

[PositiveVariance]

The only EV capable of out-performing a Hennessey Hellcat Charger in the 1/4 mile is Tesla Model S Plaid. In the half mile, mine wins.

I am a very passive partner in a business that happens to sit behind an AM/PM station, which for awhile I was going to several times per week. The young kid that usually
worked the register, his Dad owned the AM/PM. It was always a friendly chit chat with him. He was aware I was associated with the business located behind his store. One Saturday, I stopped in the AM/PM for a drink, and he asked me if I would be at the business. I told him, yes I was going to stop by.

About 10 minutes later, I am at the business and there is a group of 5 or 6 of us standing around talking. A Tesla pulls up and all the guys I was talking with instantly had their attention on the car. I am NOT a "car guy". To me it was "just a Tesla". He looked at me and said, "you want to ride?" I said "umm... Sure" as I didn't know why he was asking and I also didn't want to be rude. Some of the other guys appeared to be salivating about him asking me, knowing I am the least bit interested in cars out of that group. Now looking back, I'm sure they were hoping I would say, "No, take one of them."

I get in, he says let's go to a street that happened to not be far away, but it is "wide open". Still not knowing exactly why he ask me to come along. We get to the street, he brought the Tesla to a dead stop in the middle of this street with another vehicle about 100 yards behind us. Speed limit was around 50 MPH.

And that is when he accelerated and we went from ZERO to SIXTY in about 2 seconds!

Wow, what a ride!

Not until we were on our way back, he ask me, "Do you realize this is the FASTEST Zero to Sixty production car on earth?" 0-60 in 2.06 sec. In private testing, I believe 1 even broke 2 second barrier.

I said, "That's cool bro"...

He looked very annoyed LOL

Don't get me wrong, it was a blast, but I am sure the others would have enjoyed it far more!

He said, there was a long waiting list for it when they bought it. He said after everything, out the door, it was over $200k.

[1Hit1der]

Yeah, like who with a life could care about glorifying cars, women, watches, and so on. I bought a gold watch for a family member. Another family member of mine married a family member of one of the US treasurers. But, personally speaking, who could give a flying fuck? Same as when I passed up a chance to meet Paul Newman. Same as other things.

Down to a bunch of lonely older guys still trying to impress someone, but, down to the very few, and dying, (internet) gambling forums, of all places. What's it going to change, anyway? Ha.

[accountinquestion]

House of cards? How so? How is it any different than ICE cars? What rubbish...I don't think the government's "aggressive moves to require" have had much to do with the adoption.

The infrastructure to support ICE is in place and has proven to be effective, and gasoline powered cars do not pollute much any more: I could certainly live with it.

For you EV owners: good luck "filling 'er up" with electrons when we get to the point where there are more EV's than electricity to fuel them: the cost of driving will soar through the roof due to skyrocketing electricity costs.

And let's not forget the need to come up with new ways to pay for roads / maintenance; currently the money comes from taxes on gas, and EV owners have enjoyed the benefit without bearing the burden: expect that to change soon.

If you like a slower less dependable car sure. I haven't even found a sports car type willing to race.

That is a new one. We'll run out of electricity even though it mostly comes from fossil fuels. Not the most sensible argument.

I like fast cars but maybe you don't with those clunkers.

I also like being able to troll VCT when driving to casinos.

Who cared about new ways to pay roads? How is that an argument. I pay higher registration anyway. Comeon man. Be real. Get it together.

[accountinquestion]

For a world to be sustainable then we would have to get away from moving 2000 lbs of metal for a 2 lb item. The reality is people who might be ok with it don't want to be the one crumpling in a crash because some hillbilly in a 92 beater did something stupid as usual.

My non sports car would likely smoke Robs "muscle car". He is totally right though about the charging. If you are math challenged and make up silly gambling strategies then keeping up with the charging and limited availability of chargers won't be easy. They definitely have their downsides.

Once again, your misguided liberal beliefs have rendered you irrelevant....& wrong.

The only EV capable of out-performing a Hennessey Hellcat Charger in the 1/4 mile is Tesla Model S Plaid. In the half mile, mine wins. And you'd have to lay out at least $130k for a new Plaid. There may be even more expensive exotic EV's that could be as fast or faster--not sure. Either way, I don't race and don't care anyway.

Your stupid analogy about math and chargers snd gambling strategies is a real head-scratcher. But what else can one expect from a lonely old man who constantly scours forums just to be able to fill in his time as he marches toward death?

Your hellcat just like your Newell. Lmao. Endless projection.

Of course it is a head scratcher to you Singer. Not going to argue with that.

Lotta projection in there. "Constantly scours forums. " Don't make me chase you back to GF in your last few years.

[accountinquestion]

Dupe post but only one take away which is also well known.

Singer is a fucking muppet.

[MisterV]

EV advocates say it will reduce fossil fuel use, yet the electricity is currently generated in large part by fossil fuels, and I see no emphasis on building new power plants.


No we won't run out of electricity so long as we fuel the plants with fossil fuels and don't go nuclear.

[MDawg]

In general, I am not an all electric fan.

The car I was driving that day is all electric and goes 0 - 60 is just about two and a half seconds, with no lag. However, its range is only about 250 miles so I keep it for use in Vegas only (currently anyway).

It is fun to let cars get a little ahead of you and then punch the accelerator, especially if you have someone in that car who is not prepared for that sort of thing. "Hold on!" The passenger gets used to it pretty quickly though. "Do that again!"