Originally Posted by soxfan View Post
Cards counter get exposed when they reveal their bets spread and team play is a good way to avoid that. Years ago when I was a member of a cards counting squad we rarely got backed off, and we were buckin up against good double deck and my favorite 4 decks shoe game, hey hey.
True, bet spread IS the big tell. That is why my longevity is based on a style that eliminates that. Short sessions and exiting after showing the spread rather than retreating back to the smaller wager which is the REAL tell. Lots of players raise bets. Players losing and chasing losses. Players "chipping up" while winning, Progression bettors. Retreating back to the small wager at the shuffle is the big tell.

Team play was a thing for a while. But it became too well know, in large part due to the MIT team books and movies. It just is not that effective anymore. casinos know what to look for. There are other team play styles more effective that that big player call-in you are talking about. One of the things the casinos are on the look out for is who is at the table when a player sits down betting big. THAT is one of the ways they busted some of the MIT teams. So to avoid that a team has to have many, many different players, especially the spotters so the same spotter isn't already at the table when a big bettor sits down.

I don't have much experience with a 4 deck game. I think it was my second to last year in Atlantic City, which would have been 2008 or maybe a year before 2007, a 4 deck game opened at Tropicana for a few months. It was a great game compared to the 8 deck AC rules at the time. And within weeks, it was like a card counter convention with players fighting for the limited seats. The game only lasted a couple months. That is the only 4 deck game I have ever encountered.