Advantage Keno Play

[coach belly]

Such plays are very rare nowadays.

That's not what I've read around here.

[1Hit1der]

Don't worry too much about 1hit1der, aka Bill Yung/Garnabby/etc. Very weird guy, lots of bizarre theories, obsession with numerology...

Thanks, Dan! Coming from a gambler (or whatever you call yourself) that's the quintessential compliment.

[AxelWolf]

Such plays are very rare nowadays.

That's not what I've read around here.

Who's been saying any different, as far as straight-up plays?

You might be thinking of posts where people are talking about mail at multiple casinos while multi-carding or the entire scope of Advantage Play in general.

I really don't have enough knowledge about Vultures play nowadays, so I can only go on what seems to be the case and what I have noticed happening. I see more and more games coming out and more being added.
I.E. A guy with very little starting out, fast forward to a year later and they now have a fair bankroll.

Vultureing seems to be much, much better nowadays and it's available 24/7, open to everyone, low variance(you can choose your own variance), low heat, and it's likely to stay around awhile.


Some things are better nowadays and some things are worse. It's hard to say if Advantage Play was better in 1999 or if it's better in 2024.
It's not even possible to know all the plays that were/are available.

I can say this, there's little chance that 80% of the guys making money nowadays would've survived or made anywhere near what they have been if you compare 1999 - 2009 to 2014-2024.

[Treeshade]

Such plays are very rare nowadays.

That's not what I've read around here.

Who's been saying any different, as far as straight-up plays?

You might be thinking of posts where people are talking about mail at multiple casinos while multi-carding or the entire scope of Advantage Play in general.

I really don't have enough knowledge about Vultures play nowadays, so I can only go on what seems to be the case and what I have noticed happening. I see more and more games coming out and more being added.
I.E. A guy with very little starting out, fast forward to a year later and they now have a fair bankroll.

Vultureing seems to be much, much better nowadays and it's available 24/7, open to everyone, low variance(you can choose your own variance), low heat, and it's likely to stay around awhile.


Some things are better nowadays and some things are worse. It's hard to say if Advantage Play was better in 1999 or if it's better in 2024.
It's not even possible to know all the plays that were/are available.

I can say this, there's little chance that 80% of the guys making money nowadays would've survived or made anywhere near what they have been if you compare 1999 - 2009 to 2014-2024.

Here’s something to get you scouting again. You may know what I’m about to say knowing your reach.

There’s a particular game mechanic failure involving what I call a graphic glitch. The machines first hit the floor in 2019. I personally discovered it by accident in 2020 right out of the pandemic just observing a particular AP game. I later discovered this particular defect is prevalent in a few different games. Basically during a bonus game and prior to a bonus game on some games the prizes you can pick are predetermined, (meaning the position of each prize) however I can pick with 100 percent certainty the best possible outcome on certain games. On others I can determine if the machine is in a advantageous state based on a slight variation in the displayed graphics with 1100 percent certainly.

It’s worth enough for me to criss cross the country on short notice if certain HL machines are in this particular state. I’m only mentioning it because I literally think I may be one of very few who know of it. Maybe the only one ? Who knows but as I’m not in a position to travel for the foreseeable future I figured I would put it out in the wild.

[Treeshade]

Such plays are very rare nowadays.

That's not what I've read around here.

The biggest edges are found beating casino accounting not wasting your day picking up fives from 7 blues

[Treeshade]

I knew a guy in the late 90s who would run the same three spot keno ticket overnight at a gas station he worked but was only charged once for the ticket. He eventually got arrested for theft.

[coach belly]

Who's been saying any different, as far as straight-up plays?

You did...didn't you?

Vultureing seems to be much, much better nowadays and it's available 24/7, open to everyone, low variance(you can choose your own variance), low heat, and it's likely to stay around awhile.

Maybe vulturing is not considered a straight-up play?

What are you saying below, that there's more money to be made currently, than 1999-2009?

Or maybe you mean that 80% of today's APs could not have figured out how to make as much money back then?

I can say this, there's little chance that 80% of the guys making money nowadays would've survived or made anywhere near what they have been if you compare 1999 - 2009 to 2014-2024.

[coach belly]

picking up fives from 7 blues

I don't know what this phrase means.

[1Hit1der]

Instead of attacking a fellow board member who was actually very helpful, maybe you should focus your talents on coming up with a formula for pulling your head out of your ass.

Maybe YOU should "put up or shut up," Mr. "I discovered a winning play but I'm not sure I'll share it with you..."

That's Mr. Leroy, Mr. Alan Leroy. Ha.

The worm wiggled from everyday blackjack (mindless casino game) player, KJ, who "lives for the math", to Singer in his Mission Impossible side-job, to sports giant, non-anonymous Red as friends with imaginary academics, and, even managed to embroil legendary Crimm, and owner/administrator/moderator Druff, along the way, all while trolling every one who tried to steer him in the right direction, who absolutely still have the right, and obligation, to do exactly this.

Good morning, Mr. Leroy. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to each receive a private message in the next 24 hours with a description of what I found. I only ask that you not reveal it publicly and if you happen upon it sometime in the future, you report back here that it worked for you. As always, should you or any member of your IM Force be caught or killed, the secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions.

But, I guess, these final flickering displays of nutjobbery should be treasured, hey, hey. I imagine that by the time old, Leroy, himself, returns, even VCT may be but a vanishing memory. As in Voluntary Counselling and Testing.

[Mission146]

Until Crimm presents actual mathematics credentials, other than a page from some slots book that he read, many years ago, I must assume that every thing he thus writes is on the basis of perception.

What credentials? The nice thing about math is that it's either right or it is wrong, regardless of who the math comes from.

But, say, how long does it take to build up such a repertoire, and, by then, how many of those plays have vanished? No, again, it sounds very much as though Crimm is as trapped as Einstein was to bring around the unwieldy by definition. What you call a slippery slope, which is, at best, avoided to begin.

Not very and not many, in that order. If you see a Progressive Keno game and are relatively experienced with doing Keno math, then it should take no more than a few hours to figure out a relatively complicated game. Straight progressives can be done in under a minute using the WoO Keno Calculator. The most difficult Keno game that I ever analyzed took probably ten hours.

With that, as long as they aren't switching out the games every week, you should generally have the plays you figure out available to you for some length of time. Most of Crimm's Video Keno plays last for several years, if not longer.

[1Hit1der]

No. Even the rules of mathematics, itself, are still undefined. In specific, it can be thus shown that the sum of the positive integers is -1/12, which, in physics parlance, means something like the sum of all quantum paths is -1/12. But, sure, the math has particular ways of working out, and, then, who's to decide?

What the Wizard ought to have done, long before any aspirations to spout off about gambling math, was participate at a professional math forum. At which point he would have, imminently, eminently realized the folly of what he was about to put the second half of his life into. However, at least, like each and every one of the other gambling authors, except notably a very few gamblers such as Barry Greenstein, who had both computer science, and raw poker, ability, the Wizard did mostly avoid any actual casino gambling. Except for a relatively large loss by trying to form a successful blackjack team.

As for the behind-the-scenes stuff, I usually take the black-box approach, which is to look for exactly who's doing what, what record of, and the like, and, then, the between-the-lines fallout of that stuff. And, the "can't lose" professional KJ, Seedvalue, and AW -like characters, who got in the way of that stuff, on line, if it truly existed. There's just no doubt that the gambling scene, itself, turned out to be one thus pathetic joke, after another. Malformed discontented people trying to justify being a nuisance; let alone a legitimate, and lasting, benefit to others.

[jdog]

Careful Mission: 'Arguing with a fool shows that there are two.'

[1Hit1der]

Yeah, jdog, enjoy that "excellent" Keno advantage from another nutjob. Ha.

The nuts gotta believe. Where your very own math led you.

[kewlJ]

The worm wiggled from everyday blackjack (mindless casino game) player, KJ, who "lives for the math"

This is not KJ's quote. Unowme said this in post #8 of this thread.

I am not even a math guy. But math is present and key to everything in life. The more you understand and know, the better off you will be. I wish I understood more.

[accountinquestion]

The worm wiggled from everyday blackjack (mindless casino game) player, KJ, who "lives for the math"

This is not KJ's quote. Unowme said this in post #8 of this thread.

I am not even a math guy. But math is present and key to everything in life. The more you understand and know, the better off you will be. I wish I understood more.

If you did maybe youd understand how unlikely your more fabulous bullshit is.

[Treeshade]

picking up fives from 7 blues

I don't know what this phrase means.

Vultures playing 7 blue gems in regal riches for $5 of ev on average is not where the money is.

In regards to back in the day plays I believe the best APs of today could have made money back then just as easy. I’m post 2004 as far as casino AP is concerned. Never stepped foot in a casino prior to the poker boom. So I can’t speak for the late 90s. But my mentor was beating casinos all through the 90s for large sums. So I would say the best will always be able to find something.

[kewlJ]

This is not KJ's quote. Unowme said this in post #8 of this thread.

I am not even a math guy. But math is present and key to everything in life. The more you understand and know, the better off you will be. I wish I understood more.

If you did maybe youd understand how unlikely your more fabulous bullshit is.

Like what? Give me an example of something I have claimed or said that really defies the math? Mdawg claimed he won 60 straight hands at blackjack which Wizard put the odds at 47 quadillion to 1 (which is apparently what comes after trillion). So tell me what I have ever said that defies math like this? Or many of Singer claims?

Just because you don't believe something.....don't want to believe something, doesn't make it a math defying claim. Math defying is Mdawgs 60 straight blackjack wins, or Alan's 18 y.o. in a row.

I did have an incident that I suspect was very long odds against. If you play enough you will see some strange things. the incident I am referring to I wrote about in 2011, calling it the perfect shoe. I didn't win every hand or round as the name might suggest, I lost a few hands early on (smaller bets), but once the count got positive to the point that I was betting my max bet, I didn't lose a hand or round. Out of about 30+ rounds (I can only approximate), I had 2 push situations, one a push and one a split where I won one/lost one. Every other hand was a win. I am guessing the math of that was some fairly long odds (certainly not 47 quadillion to 1), but long.

But I would like to hear what you think I have said that defied the math and odds.

[MDawg]

But I do know this, it is routine for tewlj to make shit up on the fly to push his false narratives. He'd rather climb to the top of a tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth. So I call into question the "facts" tewlj attributed to MDawg's posts.

I don't have time to do it but I bet if I went over to WoV and read MDawg's thread, what MDawg actually wrote, and what tewlj says he wrote, are probably vastly different.

What UNKewlJ doesn't get is that the jig is up...and that the sum of all his improbable lying stories have added up to the knowing, knowing that he has been lying all along. About everything.

KJ is different because (1) I initially believed him, more or less, and (2) he is imo a complete fraud. I don't mean a liar, I mean a complete fraud, like catfish style. And that is not something you see every day and is really kind of fascinating.

[kewlJ]

Additionally, "selective memory" comes into play on some math defying claims. It may very well be unintentional. A person claiming 15 wins in a row may simply not remember an uneventful loss mixed in. I think this happens more than people think. And I think it very likely with Alan's claim.

I can't swear it didn't occur with my "perfect shoe" scenario. I was playing heads up at that point and winning so much money, I barely had time to pull it in. Certainly, didn't have time to stack chips as I normally do. Could there have been a loss mixed in? I can't swear there wasn't. It really wasn't what I was focused on. Despite winning (good), my big concern at the time, at least when I really got into it was the attention I was drawing (bad) and any consequences from that.

But of course, Mdawg is Rainman. Total recall (or so he claims). so selective memory wasn't a possibility with his 60 straight win bullshit claim. Most of us don't have the luxuary of being Rainman.

[kewlJ]

But I do know this, it is routine for tewlj to make shit up on the fly to push his false narratives. He'd rather climb to the top of a tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth. So I call into question the "facts" tewlj attributed to MDawg's posts.

I don't have time to do it but I bet if I went over to WoV and read MDawg's thread, what MDawg actually wrote, and what tewlj says he wrote, are probably vastly different.

What UNKewlJ doesn't get is that the jig is up...and that the sum of all his improbable lying stories have added up to the knowing, knowing that he has been lying all along. About everything.

KJ is different because (1) I initially believed him, more or less, and (2) he is imo a complete fraud. I don't mean a liar, I mean a complete fraud, like catfish style. And that is not something you see every day and is really kind of fascinating.

Mdawg just like AccountinQuestion, you have nothing I have ever said that defies the math, nor even has been proven false, with the exception of a couple things that I have admitted due to protecting myself and information. You trollingly (my own word) have a list of 20 or so things you choose not to believe, but not a single thing is proven. It is simply an act of trolling, which I admit you are a master at. You are a master at it because "mDawg" isn't your first go around on these forums or at trolling.

Now I want to address this smurgerburger quote, that you repeatedly quote. Smurgerburger, like a few others seems particularly or "extra" hurt because he initially believed me and then saw me lie about something to protect myself and now seems extra hurt. Well guess what? There is a reason why he, a usual reasonable and smart guy believed me. Because everything I claimed or said is exactly how things work. Ever heard that first instincts are usually the right instincts? I am sorry if he and a few others feel betrayed because I needed to lie about something to protect myself.

I have no doubt about almost everything people like mickeycrimm or axelwolf say or claim. Not everything, but probably better than 99%. If I caught or strongly suspected they lied about something and had reason to, I wouldn't then dismiss everything they have said or claimed. I believe there is an old saying about that. Something about "throwing out the baby with the bathwater".

But people are free to think whatever they want. Really, it changes nothing for me, who I am, what I do.