Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
YES I DID! Axelwolf has also come back to this several times. I spelled out exactly what my rollover amounts where and why: because I had a history of being a losing sport bettor for several years at several of the sportsbooks. I didn't exactly say it was 4x rollover at one and 6 times at another because I didn't want to be that specific in fear of anything being tied to me. I doubt sportsbooks in costa Ricos or wherever are reading VCT, but I just didn't want to say that, while that play was active just in case.

The rollover and bonuses I received at 2 of the books where NOT offers shown or available on their websites. I received them because of several years as a losing player, just as a losing slot player for years at a brick and mortor might receive better offers than the normal. When I decided to bonus whore this year, several previous losing years benefited me.

In one case, not going to say which one, I received an email from "my host" at the sportsbook at the start of football season saying he had good offers available if I was interested. When I responded, he said 8 x rollover. I said no thanks, I have better than that at another sportsbook I am using and then he dropped it to 4x. Before he dropped it I wasn't even planning on playing that sportsbook.

A player, especially with a losing track record can negotiate terms differently, significantly better than posted. I happened to take advantage of that the first time I decided to bonus whore. What is so hard about that to understand?

I am now into (well into) my second round and the rollovers aren't quite so good. I am going to have to be very close to 50/.50 (hopefully above) to make any real money.

So fuck you Soxfan. I have explained, just as I always do. It is just some of you haters don't want to hear and accept what you dont want to hear.

Hey Hey!
Can’t believe I’m confirming this fairytale writer However what he’s talking about in regards to host offers in the sports book based on slot loss in a casino is something I have worked with teams of people. Chances are Kew read about it somewhere tho and didn’t actually do anything.
It wasn't too long ago that KJ had mentioned something about not even wanting to mess with online offshore sports books or something like that. So years of losing online? I believe KJ said something about not betting much on sports mainly just entertainment-type bets. I believe he noted before he wasn't up or down much.

I'm fairly good at negotiating with these guys(I know what they want to hear and see, I even cover play on slots) and this is on accounts that show 20k+ losses and I can't get 20k in bonuses with an average of 4.7(?) x rollover. Unless this was some rip-off joint who wasn't ever going to pay I'm amazed at 20k in bonuses from offshore with a 4.7 average roll.
I’ve negotiated up to 15k in casino bonuses with a roll over that didn’t matter ( you know why I’m assuming)

These are accounts with significant loss and history in brick and mortar casinos. I’ve done this on all of the legal online casinos in the US. Penn at one point was unlimited money,
not so much now using this method. All negotiated with host.

The catch is this.. once you cash out anything significant the gravy train is over. Even tho you literally didn’t win one penny from their bonus. Complicated yes if you know Axel you know right ?

We would have many accounts sitting with 5 to 12k just waiting to cash out all at once. Near the end of running this play one online provider locked all these accounts and we had to contact the state to get them to release the funds. This involved each person sending a video verification with ID in front of the computer logged in to their account. Totally absurd but doable.

We always negotiated casino bonuses over sports because the EV was higher. However utilizing live at the window betting with online bonus clearing ended up being easier eventually after the site’s caught on to our play.

There are still very lucrative opportunities with negotiated bonuses. The problem for me is I only have so much time in the day. If I have more profitable method to win with less heat Even if it’s slightly less profitable I’m doing that instead.