Quick Note for Todd

[accountinquestion]

Anyway, to those with actual knowledge of contemporary betting -

I have always found the entitlement behind 'every bettor should have the same limits and never be kicked off' a bit comical. As if sportsbooks aren't simply businesses. It is like the poker player who thinks he should be allowed into any game. There is a meta-game for all the best to keep doing what they do. If you want to tongue in cheek say you can't drive these people to illegal sports books ok wink wink but the illegal books won't want their action either. If you really truly believe this stuff then lol.

However INCREASING limits for suckers is something that I find disturbing. It is not that different from things casinos do with Hosts perhaps, but it does rub me the wrong way. Kick off winners but don't enable losers to bet more. If you're going to raise limits it should be based on some sort of credit/income verification system. I don't think I had an appreciation for that until I just saw Mickey mention it. I guess that doesn't server the interest of pro-bettors though, so you don't see the point brought up... hah

[accountinquestion]

Really thinking about it, Redietz is all about the romanticism of sports betting. Everything he talks about glorifies some romantic angle of it. People with value/AP approach completely skip out on all that and still get the results.

Perhaps this is what bugs him so much about APs? It invalidates his belief of all this voodoo magic he senses around sports betting.

[mickeycrimm]

Redietz also evaded any response to Druff's posted track record over the past few years.

[redietz]

Redietz also evaded any response to Druff's posted track record over the past few years.

I knew Todd's track record. Is there a point here? Other than what I've been saying for all the years I've been posting here. There are no multi-sport sports betting whiz kids.

I get the feeling mickey has never actually read the monitors and the overall records of people who have been monitored. That would be a good starting point to not sounding like an idiot.

[accountinquestion]

Redietz also evaded any response to Druff's posted track record over the past few years.

I knew Todd's track record. Is there a point here? Other than what I've been saying for all the years I've been posting here. There are no multi-sport sports betting whiz kids.

I get the feeling mickey has never actually read the monitors and the overall records of people who have been monitored. That would be a good starting point to not sounding like an idiot.

I'm pretty certain there are multi-sports betting whiz kids. Just like Billy Waters. Their problem is being limited and needing beards. They're out there or at least were as of a few years ago.

Mickey would be a bigger fool to study those records. How much crack are you smoking? Jesus. Those records are irrelevant to most of the world but they apparently assuage your narcissism.

[redietz]

Redietz also evaded any response to Druff's posted track record over the past few years.

I knew Todd's track record. Is there a point here? Other than what I've been saying for all the years I've been posting here. There are no multi-sport sports betting whiz kids.

I get the feeling mickey has never actually read the monitors and the overall records of people who have been monitored. That would be a good starting point to not sounding like an idiot.

I'm pretty certain there are multi-sports betting whiz kids. Just like Billy Waters. Their problem is being limited and needing beards. They're out there or at least were as of a few years ago.

Mickey would be a bigger fool to study those records. How much crack are you smoking? Jesus. Those records are irrelevant to most of the world but they apparently assuage your narcissism.

Billy Walters assembled teams of specialists. Don't take my word for it, or the word of any other handicapper, if you don't want. Read Walters' book. He understates this fact but doesn't try to hide it.

Other than that, you're spot on. As usual.

Mickey was commenting on Todd's overall ATS record. In fact, he listed it. I responded regarding Todd's ATS record vis-a-vis other handicappers.

Other than that, you're spot on again.

Reading, whether it's Billy Walters' book, my posts, or mickey's posts, must be quite a tough skill to master. Readinginquestion needs some serious remedial reading courses.

[mickeycrimm]

Redietz also evaded any response to Druff's posted track record over the past few years.

I knew Todd's track record. Is there a point here? Other than what I've been saying for all the years I've been posting here. There are no multi-sport sports betting whiz kids.

I get the feeling mickey has never actually read the monitors and the overall records of people who have been monitored. That would be a good starting point to not sounding like an idiot.

It's not me that sounds like an idiot. It's you. Why would you want your name and ability splattered all over everything so the bookies could read it? Everyone from Walters on down had to use beards to get their action in. If the bookies knew you and accepted your cash bets after seeing your record in the small time/small paying contests....then they considered you to be their sucker. Did they increase your limits?

There was a reason you played the free contests. You needed the chump change.

[redietz]

Redietz also evaded any response to Druff's posted track record over the past few years.

I knew Todd's track record. Is there a point here? Other than what I've been saying for all the years I've been posting here. There are no multi-sport sports betting whiz kids.

I get the feeling mickey has never actually read the monitors and the overall records of people who have been monitored. That would be a good starting point to not sounding like an idiot.

It's not me that sounds like an idiot. It's you. Why would you want your name and ability splattered all over everything so the bookies could read it? Everyone from Walters on down had to use beards to get their action in. If the bookies knew you and accepted your cash bets after seeing your record in the small time/small paying contests....then they considered you to be their sucker. Did they increase your limits?

There was a reason you played the free contests. You needed the chump change.

LOL. Or I didn't care about ramifications because I didn't need the chump change. I just liked to beat other people. I like showing off some skill. This is what anthropologists call non-material resource acquisition.

You see, what mickey has constructed here is what all the "pro sports bettors" like to claim. We're so good that we can't allow anyone to see what we do or chart what we do so take our word for how good we are because we're so good.

It's one thing to operate in the betting stratosphere like Bill Walters. He can hurt books and no one really operates in a level above him, so there's no opportunity to piggyback his plays by betting more than him. For the rest of us mere mortals, there's almost always an opportunity for people to piggyback us for as much or more than we are betting ourselves. Is there an angle to allowing this kind of transparency? Of course there is. But I'll let the VCT genius squad figure it out and report back.

The bottom line is that I can't believe mickey is this naive vis-a-vis sports betting. I'm going to save my best crimm zingers for more-public consumption. The man cannot be this naive. But I've been wrong before.

[accountinquestion]

I knew Todd's track record. Is there a point here? Other than what I've been saying for all the years I've been posting here. There are no multi-sport sports betting whiz kids.

I get the feeling mickey has never actually read the monitors and the overall records of people who have been monitored. That would be a good starting point to not sounding like an idiot.

I'm pretty certain there are multi-sports betting whiz kids. Just like Billy Waters. Their problem is being limited and needing beards. They're out there or at least were as of a few years ago.

Mickey would be a bigger fool to study those records. How much crack are you smoking? Jesus. Those records are irrelevant to most of the world but they apparently assuage your narcissism.

Billy Walters assembled teams of specialists. Don't take my word for it, or the word of any other handicapper, if you don't want. Read Walters' book. He understates this fact but doesn't try to hide it.

Other than that, you're spot on. As usual.

Mickey was commenting on Todd's overall ATS record. In fact, he listed it. I responded regarding Todd's ATS record vis-a-vis other handicappers.

Other than that, you're spot on again.

Reading, whether it's Billy Walters' book, my posts, or mickey's posts, must be quite a tough skill to master. Readinginquestion needs some serious remedial reading courses.

I'm not sure what your point here is. Walters bet multiple sports but yes thanks for reminding me to buy the book. There are whiz kids who do that. They might not be kids but you would surely refer to them as such.

My 2nd point stands on its own.

Redietz has absolutely no issue surrounding himself with people more successful and able than him. Whether all the people he lists or VCT.

[mickeycrimm]

I knew Todd's track record. Is there a point here? Other than what I've been saying for all the years I've been posting here. There are no multi-sport sports betting whiz kids.

I get the feeling mickey has never actually read the monitors and the overall records of people who have been monitored. That would be a good starting point to not sounding like an idiot.

It's not me that sounds like an idiot. It's you. Why would you want your name and ability splattered all over everything so the bookies could read it? Everyone from Walters on down had to use beards to get their action in. If the bookies knew you and accepted your cash bets after seeing your record in the small time/small paying contests....then they considered you to be their sucker. Did they increase your limits?

There was a reason you played the free contests. You needed the chump change.

LOL. Or I didn't care about ramifications because I didn't need the chump change. I just liked to beat other people. I like showing off some skill. This is what anthropologists call non-material resource acquisition.

You see, what mickey has constructed here is what all the "pro sports bettors" like to claim. We're so good that we can't allow anyone to see what we do or chart what we do so take our word for how good we are because we're so good.

It's one thing to operate in the betting stratosphere like Bill Walters. He can hurt books and no one really operates in a level above him, so there's no opportunity to piggyback his plays by betting more than him. For the rest of us mere mortals, there's almost always an opportunity for people to piggyback us for as much or more than we are betting ourselves. Is there an angle to allowing this kind of transparency? Of course there is. But I'll let the VCT genius squad figure it out and report back.

The bottom line is that I can't believe mickey is this naive vis-a-vis sports betting. I'm going to save my best crimm zingers for more-public consumption. The man cannot be this naive. But I've been wrong before.

LOL. You're nothing but smoke and mirrors. You're the laughing stock of VCT. Walters said he never knew a handicapper that kept his edge. Do you remember that line, ditz? You got in a lucky spurt. He seen it and hired you. Then you went into the long slump but kept trying to tell him things will turn around. It never did. So he fired you.

Hey, you are a known groupie. How 'bout next time in vegas you get a pic of you and Walters together. Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

[mickeycrimm]

Well, well, well. What have we here, redietz?

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...ean-scott.html

Here's a quote from the article:

"I learned which video poker to play....She taught me which slot clubs would do what for you. Thanks to her....I was able to incorporate minimal video poker play to furnish both food and a couple dozen comped casino nights a year."

Not much meat and potatoes in this article, so redietz would you expound?

1. What video poker games did she recommend to you?

2. What denomination(s) did you play?

3. What was your daily wager to get the room/food comp?

4. What video poker strategies did you employ?

5. Which slot clubs/hotel/casinos were you playing at and getting the comps.

We anxiously await your infinite wisdom on this subject.

[redietz]

Boyd properties. Got between 12 and 24 free nights a year. Stayed 90% of the time at either Gold Coast or Orleans. Finished roughly 5K ahead lifetime at Boyd before they restructured their comps and cut me out. Played between 40 and 60 hours a year there.

[accountinquestion]

When I'm older lets just hope I can afford to go to LV more than once a year.

[mickeycrimm]

Boyd properties. Got between 12 and 24 free nights a year. Stayed 90% of the time at either Gold Coast or Orleans. Finished roughly 5K ahead lifetime at Boyd before they restructured their comps and cut me out. Played between 40 and 60 hours a year there.

What was the name of the video poker game you were playing?

What was the payback percentage?

[redietz]

Boyd properties. Got between 12 and 24 free nights a year. Stayed 90% of the time at either Gold Coast or Orleans. Finished roughly 5K ahead lifetime at Boyd before they restructured their comps and cut me out. Played between 40 and 60 hours a year there.

What was the name of the video poker game you were playing?

What was the payback percentage?

Who cares? I know as much about video poker as mickey crimm does about sports betting. In other words, half a step above civilian and a step above retard.

It was a 40-60 hour a year thing to do to get offers. I think for most of the incarnations of the games, the majority played was 15-9-4-4. Although there were stints of the 16-10 mixed in there as they went back-and-forth before eventually downgrading payouts.

I did run through 11K one day on slots to see if that helped my rating. Lost about $100, which was amazing. My plan was to lose $300 or $400, but I never hit that number. It did not help my rating.

In video poker, I played primarily deuces wild, mostly on quarter machines but some dollars. The deuces wild games varied over the years as the Gold Coast and Orleans played yo-yo with how good the offered games were. I'd estimate that a third of my time was spent on the deuces wild games back by the Orleans buffet.

[redietz]

It's not me that sounds like an idiot. It's you. Why would you want your name and ability splattered all over everything so the bookies could read it? Everyone from Walters on down had to use beards to get their action in. If the bookies knew you and accepted your cash bets after seeing your record in the small time/small paying contests....then they considered you to be their sucker. Did they increase your limits?

There was a reason you played the free contests. You needed the chump change.

LOL. Or I didn't care about ramifications because I didn't need the chump change. I just liked to beat other people. I like showing off some skill. This is what anthropologists call non-material resource acquisition.

You see, what mickey has constructed here is what all the "pro sports bettors" like to claim. We're so good that we can't allow anyone to see what we do or chart what we do so take our word for how good we are because we're so good.

It's one thing to operate in the betting stratosphere like Bill Walters. He can hurt books and no one really operates in a level above him, so there's no opportunity to piggyback his plays by betting more than him. For the rest of us mere mortals, there's almost always an opportunity for people to piggyback us for as much or more than we are betting ourselves. Is there an angle to allowing this kind of transparency? Of course there is. But I'll let the VCT genius squad figure it out and report back.

The bottom line is that I can't believe mickey is this naive vis-a-vis sports betting. I'm going to save my best crimm zingers for more-public consumption. The man cannot be this naive. But I've been wrong before.

LOL. You're nothing but smoke and mirrors. You're the laughing stock of VCT. Walters said he never knew a handicapper that kept his edge. Do you remember that line, ditz? You got in a lucky spurt. He seen it and hired you. Then you went into the long slump but kept trying to tell him things will turn around. It never did. So he fired you.

Hey, you are a known groupie. How 'bout next time in vegas you get a pic of you and Walters together. Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Yeah, quite a slump. About six weeks.

Mickey, if you want to shoot a podcast discussing my weaknesses and your knowledge of my personal history, I'll be glad to pick up the tab. Or if Munchkin wants me on the show, you could be a co-guest and explain my slumps and idiocy. It would good entertainment. Let me know. We'd have a great time.

[Rob.Singer]

Red, why are you here anyway? You know you're posts aren't doing anything to build up your brand‐-which you've always seemed so concerned about--and you continually get so flustered at those you respond to that point out your inconsistencies, all that ducking you do, and your propensity to lace many of your posts with supposed "acquaintances" from libtard academia--and it always gives the impression that you're dropping these names because you've lost confidence in whatever it is your own name represents. (and here's a teachable moment: in the context of your claimed accolades, no one cares a thing about what this 60 yr. old supposed "girlfriend" says, is said to have said, has allegedly accomplished, or believes).

And why do you say so many stupid things that only get you in worse hot water? It was bad enuf when all you did was say crazy things about yourself. But lately, you've developed a hard-on for AP's....and you're actually being SERIOUS.

I'm also going to advise you to stop writing these cringe-worthy replies to people's posts you disagree with that contain some of the weirdest things you write. All these sit-downs that'll never happen....the endless phantom invites....trying to make folks believe you'd EVER appear on a radio show or podcast....and this made-up Boeing faggot that we all got sick of hearing about several years ago. Are these things security blankets or something?

If I were you I'd leave and never return. Right now, your name isn't worth any more than kew's. And you're moving backwards.

[mickeycrimm]

Boyd properties. Got between 12 and 24 free nights a year. Stayed 90% of the time at either Gold Coast or Orleans. Finished roughly 5K ahead lifetime at Boyd before they restructured their comps and cut me out. Played between 40 and 60 hours a year there.

What was the name of the video poker game you were playing?

What was the payback percentage?

Who cares? I know as much about video poker as mickey crimm does about sports betting. In other words, half a step above civilian and a step above retard.

It was a 40-60 hour a year thing to do to get offers. I think for most of the incarnations of the games, the majority played was 15-9-4-4. Although there were stints of the 16-10 mixed in there as they went back-and-forth before eventually downgrading payouts.

I did run through 11K one day on slots to see if that helped my rating. Lost about $100, which was amazing. My plan was to lose $300 or $400, but I never hit that number. It did not help my rating.

In video poker, I played primarily deuces wild, mostly on quarter machines but some dollars. The deuces wild games varied over the years as the Gold Coast and Orleans played yo-yo with how good the offered games were. I'd estimate that a third of my time was spent on the deuces wild games back by the Orleans buffet.

So with that 15/9/4/4 payscale you were mostly playing the Ugly Ducks version of Deuces Wild. That's a 98.91% game. That is, with optimal strategy. I think it's an easy guess you never studied strategy. So you were probably giving up 2% or more to sub optimal play.

You wouldn't have fared much better on the 16/10 (Not So Ugly Ducks) which is 99.73% with optimal. And that's because of your mistakes.

You probably got little free play out of the deal so I think it fair to say that overall you were giving them at least 2%.

You were probably a slow player so I will say 500 hands per hour on quarters. That's a $625 wager per hour. So if you were really doing this you were theoretically paying them about $12 an hour for those comps.

Finishing 5K winner on such a game would be several standard deviations above the norm.

Another thing is lots of vpFREE'ers played Gold Coast and Orleans for dollars They were running 3K to 5K an hour in action to get about the same amount of comp as you. Of course, they were faster than you and they didn't have the big leak of not knowing strategy in their games.

I think it's safe to say the "5K win" is a fabrication. No way you would have finished 5 royals ahead. On the game you were playing it's almost a 4% drop between royals. The game would have been sucking down money faster than you could hit the royals. At your level of play the average theoretical cost to produce a 1K royal would probably be about 2.2K.

[monet]

I made Beef Pho yesterday.
I slurped those noodles with my Gook Wife.
Or maybe she is a Chink Wife since she is from Hong Kong.
Same Difference.

[redietz]

What was the name of the video poker game you were playing?

What was the payback percentage?

Who cares? I know as much about video poker as mickey crimm does about sports betting. In other words, half a step above civilian and a step above retard.

It was a 40-60 hour a year thing to do to get offers. I think for most of the incarnations of the games, the majority played was 15-9-4-4. Although there were stints of the 16-10 mixed in there as they went back-and-forth before eventually downgrading payouts.

I did run through 11K one day on slots to see if that helped my rating. Lost about $100, which was amazing. My plan was to lose $300 or $400, but I never hit that number. It did not help my rating.

In video poker, I played primarily deuces wild, mostly on quarter machines but some dollars. The deuces wild games varied over the years as the Gold Coast and Orleans played yo-yo with how good the offered games were. I'd estimate that a third of my time was spent on the deuces wild games back by the Orleans buffet.

So with that 15/9/4/4 payscale you were mostly playing the Ugly Ducks version of Deuces Wild. That's a 98.91% game. That is, with optimal strategy. I think it's an easy guess you never studied strategy. So you were probably giving up 2% or more to sub optimal play.

You wouldn't have fared much better on the 16/10 (Not So Ugly Ducks) which is 99.73% with optimal. And that's because of your mistakes.

You probably got little free play out of the deal so I think it fair to say that overall you were giving them at least 2%.

You were probably a slow player so I will say 500 hands per hour on quarters. That's a $625 wager per hour. So if you were really doing this you were theoretically paying them about $12 an hour for those comps.

Finishing 5K winner on such a game would be several standard deviations above the norm.

Another thing is lots of vpFREE'ers played Gold Coast and Orleans for dollars They were running 3K to 5K an hour in action to get about the same amount of comp as you. Of course, they were faster than you and they didn't have the big leak of not knowing strategy in their games.

I think it's safe to say the "5K win" is a fabrication. No way you would have finished 5 royals ahead. On the game you were playing it's almost a 4% drop between royals. The game would have been sucking down money faster than you could hit the royals. At your level of play the average theoretical cost to produce a 1K royal would probably be about 2.2K.

The 5K profit is a combined figure of the Boyd properties and the Palms. It includes free play turned into cash but does not assign any value to comps. The number of free rooms garnered per year at Boyd varied from 12 to 24, available on multiple properties. Few weekend dates. The 5K figure is ballpark within a hundred dollars.

Sorry if you think I don't play optimally. I simply park my ass at the machine and follow the third panel of the LVA strategy cards, which I keep right there on the machine as I play. I don't worry about the fourth panel precision. And I do play just 500 hands per hour, as I try to enjoy myself.

At 60 hours of play per year, I'm dropping maybe $300 per year not counting cash back. I was getting between 12 and 24 nights comped while also receiving offers for the occasional video poker tournament or strange promo. Plus I did the majority of play on senior days, so was picking up a free meal on most of the days played. Playing three hours a day for 14 days would yield about 14 free meals, a value of roughly an additional $150.

LOL. Yeah, I'm a real sucker. Do you really think I don't know this stuff? I've been reading the LVA since its inception. I started going to LV when the LVA started printing, more or less. I read Dancer's book three times and have had strategy cards since they were first printed. And, as I said, I'm half a step above civilian and a step above retard, because all of this stuff is basic and simple. Why would I need to know strategy when I can sit there and read off an LVA card and never make more than one or two inconsequential errors per session?

Yep, that reading strategy cards. What a concept!

And sorry, man. My Boyd plus Palms figure is roughly +5K. Not counting comps but counting cash back. I apologize for playing close to optimally, but it ain't hard to read.

Again, why would you assume I can't read a strategy card? That would be like...assuming some guy blathering about sports betting had never read a published monitor report. You'd have to be a real brain-dead moron to think you knew about ATS records without having read published reports.

Mickey brought back some fond memories. I remember the FPDW progressive bank at the Palms, right around the corner from the sports book at the entrance. I recall the 9/6 progressive at the Westward Ho next to the Stardust. Get my seat at the Stardust sports book on a Saturday early AM, get a coffee, play a half hour at the Ho if I could get a seat. Then there was the FPDW at the old Frontier, with a progressive as I recall. And Stations also had FPDW, eventually having it available on nickels only before vetoing it. Stations had some good video poker tournaments, like Boyd did. I placed in a couple. Sometimes I was even me when I did so. Sometimes not.

But, as I said, I'm strictly a 50-hour-a-year amateur. I know nothing. Now sports betting, that I know something about.