Sportsbook suggestions

[kewlJ]

I recently lost one of the four off shore sportsbooks I have used since I began pursuing the bonus game past year (which was bound to happen). They just have cut the bonus offers to an unplayable amount.

I am just not familiar enough with the many off shore sports books to select a replacement with a good reputation for easy payouts to U.S. customers. Anyone want to offer any suggestions based n your experiences? (Or is this information that is not shared?)

[kewlJ]

Is there a reputable independent website that reports on off shore sports books? I have seen these for the offshore casinos.

[Don Perignom]

(Or is this information that is not shared?)

I'll comment if there are no objections. But I've kept only to the reputable majors.

[redietz]

KewlJ, the idea that any offshore is going to abide by the same rules and regs for all customers, or even for categories of customers, is somewhat naive. Anything I would say could be viewed as unreliable because no offshore is going to pristinely assign the same protocols for everybody. If somebody decides you're a bonus whore per se, they will shut you down and do whatever they want. And you better hope you don't get defined as a Grade A pain-in-the-ass because they have no legal obligation to even return your money if you get categorized a certain way. The BBB ain't looking over their shoulders, and you don't really have any idea what effect a bunch of complaints on a few forums might have on them. Maybe it bothers them; maybe it doesn't.

It doesn't really matter what an allegedly reputable review site reports. You'd have to somehow independently verify that the site wasn't partnered with certain offshore books and not others. And nothing prevents an offshore from seeding all reviews, legitimate or not.

The bottom line is that a relationship with an offshore is a partnership. If they aren't getting something from you, why should they continue?

I've been trying to explain this for years on this brain-dead forum. Mickey, for example, can't grasp simple relationship rules. He thinks his YouTube blather buddies get shut down because they are "wieners." That's not the way everything works. Most sports books are not abiding by casino rules/priorities, and they have good reasons to not be. If you can't figure this stuff out, you have no business betting serious money offshore.

[Don Perignom]

I've been trying to explain this for years on this brain-dead forum.

I'm not dismissing or ignoring you. I just usually have no idea what you're talking about.

On the occasions you say something I comprehend, I respond.

Can I ask, how many accounts do you guys typically keep funded at a time? I like to have a bunch of them. Currently I'm at 6 in NV, and 3 off shore. I want to have shopping options for the best odds. This allows me to tolerate mediocre bonus values.

Most of my bets are outright +EV arbs. Looking at today's slate so far, I have an MLB game at +112/-110 on both sides of the same total. I have an NCAABB game at +110/-110 with a half-point middle to my advantage. And I have a caboodle of arbs on super regional series outcomes.

[Don Perignom]

No objections noted, so my off shores are Bet Online, Bookmaker and Bet US.

I attempted Heritage, but they indicated they don't accept NV residents.

My overall impressions are favorable. Bet US is my newest. Only annoyance so far is they canceled a bet they apparently considered a "mistake." Odds were around -600, and I had the other side at another book for +900. IIRC, they called it a "transmission error." They sent a notification to my inbox, which I didn't see until too late.

Bookmaker has reduced (-108) juice on some stuff.

Bet Online has pretty good odds overall imo, with -110 on some of the lower tier sports. They offer a vast array of bets, and are one of the first to post lines.

[kewlJ]

Thank you Don. And you have received successful and timely withdraws from each, I assume?

I looked into bet us previously, but will look again.

[Don Perignom]

Thank you Don. And you have received successful and timely withdraws from each, I assume?

Good question. I try not to withdraw often.

Nothing yet from Bet US, as I only recently registered.

I've withdrawn once from Bet Online, instantly with no questions asked. That was via crypto, as I had deposited.

Only one wd from Bookmaker, where I deposited via card because that was required for the bonus. They required scans of the card and my ID, but within a couple hours they approved me and sent my crypto.

[Don Perignom]

I'm still working on my Bet US signup bonus. I think it was 100% in free play, 10x rollover.

IIRC, the main restriction on free play is you're limited to +140 odds.

Bookmaker has no restrictions on using free play, that I recall.

Bet Online is shifting away from free play, but at last check, maximum odds were +150 with only designated bets allowed. I used the fp mostly on NHL moneylines.

[redietz]

I'm still working on my Bet US signup bonus. I think it was 100% in free play, 10x rollover.

IIRC, the main restriction on free play is you're limited to +140 odds.

Bookmaker has no restrictions on using free play, that I recall.

Bet Online is shifting away from free play, but at last check, maximum odds were +150 with only designated bets allowed. I used the fp mostly on NHL moneylines.

Bookmaker, by the way, has a relationship with the owners of Playbook, which hosts The Wise Guys contest. They are legitimate and well-funded, with good numbers and rules. If you are betting teasers, they are a place to be.

[mickeycrimm]

I've been trying to explain this for years on this brain-dead forum.

I'm not dismissing or ignoring you. I just usually have no idea what you're talking about.

How can you understand ditz when he doesn't even know what the fuck he's talking about? The dude talks in circles. It's convoluted logic. Like Billy Walters knows he has an edge but it can't be measured in any way, shape or form.

Ditz wants you to believe he's some kind of sport betting guru. But he didn't hold all those dozen offshores he's been on forever by beating them out of their money. They like suckers like him.

Sure, there are several reasons books will limit or ban or confiscate. But when ditz says hundreds of sports bettors are lying when they say they were banned or limited because they are winners. Well, he's the one that's playing with the truth. To hear him tell it, they are all wrong and he is right. That dog won't hunt.

You can't explain to the dense motherfucker that the books are in the business of increasing limits for the suckers and lowering limits for the pros. It don't take a brain surgeon to see that. And we just had a case in Massachusetts where the books wouldn't show up to a hearing to explain why they do it. Ditz needs to show up at the next hearing and explain to them that that is not what the books are doing. He'll be laughed clean out of the hearing.

[redietz]

I've been trying to explain this for years on this brain-dead forum.

I'm not dismissing or ignoring you. I just usually have no idea what you're talking about.

How can you understand ditz when he doesn't even know what the fuck he's talking about? The dude talks in circles. It's convoluted logic. Like Billy Walters knows he has an edge but it can't be measured in any way, shape or form.

Ditz wants you to believe he's some kind of sport betting guru. But he didn't hold all those dozen offshores he's been on forever by beating them out of their money. They like suckers like him.

Sure, there are several reasons books will limit or ban or confiscate. But when ditz says hundreds of sports bettors are lying when they say they were banned or limited because they are winners. Well, he's the one that's playing with the truth. To hear him tell it, they are all wrong and he is right. That dog won't hunt.

You can't explain to the dense motherfucker that the books are in the business of increasing limits for the suckers and lowering limits for the pros. It don't take a brain surgeon to see that. And we just had a case in Massachusetts where the books wouldn't show up to a hearing to explain why they do it. Ditz needs to show up at the next hearing and explain to them that that is not what the books are doing. He'll be laughed clean out of the hearing.

Actually mickey, unless you're referring to someone firing in the Billy Walters range, you're wrong. But keep believing you're expert at things you know nothing about. It's what makes the world go round.

By the way, please do not paraphrase me, because you don't understand what I said and you're not really qualified to paraphrase me. Just directly quote me, because you are inaccurate regarding what I have said and what it means. Not my job to spell everything out for the old Leonardo Da AP.

I have been banned and limited due to winning. I have been unbanned and had limits increased due to winning. Sometimes from the same places. Sometimes from the same people. Sometimes time and a different perspective and different goals heal all wounds.

If you don't get the whys and wherefores, you should probably, as Archie Bunker suggested, stifle yourself.

The main thing I want people to take away from mickey's posts is that his presumption that there are hundreds of players banned due to winning at sports and they are all posting truthfully is just flat-out ridiculous. Maybe he saw it on YouTube. Or maybe there was a party for all of them at Bet Bash. Billy Walters must never be in short supply of people to hire -- but wait, didn't Mr. Walters say they all lose? How can that be? How could Billy Walters believe one thing and mickey believe another? Walters must be mistaken.

Now this is an aside, but it pertains somewhat. When Betfair got dragged into court some years back regarding race betting, and they had to make public their tallies, they had more than a million customers. You know how many won more than six digits? About a dozen. Keep that in mind when you survey the internet and have stooges galore (I almost said APs) guiding from rags to riches.

Mickey is allegedly the best of this bunch, and when he steps away from his specialty, he's borderline retard. He's like Rain Man describing his other skills, "I'm an excellent driver."

[Don Perignom]

How can you understand ditz when he doesn't even know what the fuck he's talking about? The dude talks in circles. It's convoluted logic. Like Billy Walters knows he has an edge but it can't be measured in any way, shape or form.

The main thing I want people to take away from mickey's posts is that his presumption that there are hundreds of players banned due to winning at sports and they are all posting truthfully is just flat-out ridiculous.

I sometimes tune you guys out, but on this point I agree in substance with Mickey. Of course many gamblers lie, but the fact remains that hundreds of players (and thousands of accounts) are beating sportsbooks. Bonuses and promos are often involved, but many players could win outright without add-ons.

As for the topic, where are you wise guys betting? Red, I think you're TN-based, which means you have access to the major domestics. Are you playing them?

Mickey, you're in a bad state (MT) afaik. I know you travel, but betting from a phone or laptop is not optimal. It's easier on a multi-monitor home setup.

[smurgerburger]

Of course Redietz is wrong and it seems very telling that he apparently doesn't believe that people get barred (or limited or dealt seconds) all the time for being sharp bettors (per the books estimation).


ETA - I don't think this is the point of controversy but if we're making a big distinction between barring vs limiting, to my knowledge the latter is a lot more common these days. But who cares?

[MDawg]

Thank you Don. And you have received successful and timely withdraws from each, I assume?

I looked into bet us previously, but will look again.

UNKewlJ still pretending that he's doing much other than the documented male prostitution.

It never ends with this guy.
He posts one thing today and a week later tells everyone he was lying.
And does it how many times now?
GTFOH... Spiderman!

[mickeycrimm]

I'm not dismissing or ignoring you. I just usually have no idea what you're talking about.

How can you understand ditz when he doesn't even know what the fuck he's talking about? The dude talks in circles. It's convoluted logic. Like Billy Walters knows he has an edge but it can't be measured in any way, shape or form.

Ditz wants you to believe he's some kind of sport betting guru. But he didn't hold all those dozen offshores he's been on forever by beating them out of their money. They like suckers like him.

Sure, there are several reasons books will limit or ban or confiscate. But when ditz says hundreds of sports bettors are lying when they say they were banned or limited because they are winners. Well, he's the one that's playing with the truth. To hear him tell it, they are all wrong and he is right. That dog won't hunt.

You can't explain to the dense motherfucker that the books are in the business of increasing limits for the suckers and lowering limits for the pros. It don't take a brain surgeon to see that. And we just had a case in Massachusetts where the books wouldn't show up to a hearing to explain why they do it. Ditz needs to show up at the next hearing and explain to them that that is not what the books are doing. He'll be laughed clean out of the hearing.

Actually mickey, unless you're referring to someone firing in the Billy Walters range, you're wrong. But keep believing you're expert at things you know nothing about. It's what makes the world go round.

By the way, please do not paraphrase me, because you don't understand what I said and you're not really qualified to paraphrase me. Just directly quote me, because you are inaccurate regarding what I have said and what it means. Not my job to spell everything out for the old Leonardo Da AP.

I have been banned and limited due to winning. I have been unbanned and had limits increased due to winning. Sometimes from the same places. Sometimes from the same people. Sometimes time and a different perspective and different goals heal all wounds.

If you don't get the whys and wherefores, you should probably, as Archie Bunker suggested, stifle yourself.

The main thing I want people to take away from mickey's posts is that his presumption that there are hundreds of players banned due to winning at sports and they are all posting truthfully is just flat-out ridiculous. Maybe he saw it on YouTube. Or maybe there was a party for all of them at Bet Bash. Billy Walters must never be in short supply of people to hire -- but wait, didn't Mr. Walters say they all lose? How can that be? How could Billy Walters believe one thing and mickey believe another? Walters must be mistaken.

Now this is an aside, but it pertains somewhat. When Betfair got dragged into court some years back regarding race betting, and they had to make public their tallies, they had more than a million customers. You know how many won more than six digits? About a dozen. Keep that in mind when you survey the internet and have stooges galore (I almost said APs) guiding from rags to riches.

Mickey is allegedly the best of this bunch, and when he steps away from his specialty, he's borderline retard. He's like Rain Man describing his other skills, "I'm an excellent driver."

The Massachussetts legislature just held a hearing on winning players getting banned from the books. They are concerned the books are chasing the winners back to the illegal books. The problem is going to grow and more and more states are going to become concerned. Perhaps you can testify/shill for the industry and tell the legislatures there is no cause for concern. That those so called winning bettors are all liars.

I just posted attorney Bob Loeb's interview on GWAE. He contacted Dancer and Munchkin and told them the issue of banning winners and confiscating money has gotten way out of hand and the issue needs a lot of attention from the AP community.

Ditz, you are entitled to your opinion but you are not the brightest bulb in the room on this issue. To many people are getting fucked and there's ditz saying it ain't so. Why the fuck are you shilling for the books?