I have spoken many times to a player who played with Eliot and considered him a friend. He tells me Eliot wanted to be a card counter for a living and just couldn't. That he had a problem putting out the bigger wagers, especially when things were running bad. Of course this is very different than the Bio Eliot paints. But this is something that actually ends many card counters "dreams". They just aren't cut out for it, no matter how much they want it.

So as a math guy, understanding gambling math, you can almost understand someone like Eliot turning to the other side, since he can't cut it as an AP. ALMOST!!

But some of these other guys, including Wong, Shack, Dancer ect, by all accounts were successful advantage players. To then just consult and teach the dark side things for a few bucks, is just unforgivable to me.

That is just me. It also is why I always kept my distance. With Eliot, a number of card counters believe that he not only went over to the dark side, but took names and identities of players that he knew with him. He denies that.