The WoV Thread

[Rob.Singer]

Being that this IS the WoV thread, I want to comment on something I read at WoV today.

BilRyan, released from a 6 month suspension at WoV today. . I used to get along well with Billryan on another blackjack forum years ago. But, of late he doesn't seem to like me much. Welcome to the club. But I want to say this to Billryan: Don't give Shackleford, the petty man who thinks he is more important than he is and doesn't seem to know that he only runs a website, not rules the world....don't give him the satisfaction by going back to posting at WoV. I am not the best messenger for this message, but be better than me. Billryan, YOU don't need that shit, nor to be treated like you were.

And hell, if you enjoy being abused, just come on back over here.

Why does a fraudulent liar like you care anything about something like this, or think your pathetic "influencing" interests a soul on this forum?

More proof that you have no life, and are in dire need of relevance & attention when there clearly is no interest in anything about you other than when your lying gets exposed....so everyone can laugh their asses off at you!

[kewlJ]

**yawn**

Find happiness Rob. I sincerely wish that for you in what time you have left.

[DGenBen]

The WoV community has always provided great insights into gaming strategies and trends! I'm curious to see how discussions evolve around new games and player experiences this year. What topics are everyone most excited about?

If you want to pass yourself off as human and not a bot, your language needs to be more natural and appropriate for the venue you are posting on.

For example something like: Why do you slant eyed noodle slurping faggots care what’s posted at WOV?

Don’t you have anything better to do like suck each other off then post on one loser dyke beaner retard forum about another fagtard chink wetback spic coon forum?

[Ray Finkle]

The WoV community has always provided great insights into gaming strategies and trends! I'm curious to see how discussions evolve around new games and player experiences this year. What topics are everyone most excited about?

If you want to pass yourself off as human and not a bot, your language needs to be more natural and appropriate for the venue you are posting on.

For example something like: Why do you slant eyed noodle slurping faggots care what’s posted at WOV?

Don’t you have anything better to do like suck each other off then post on one loser dyke beaner retard forum about another fagtard chink wetback spic coon forum?

Like this ...

"I ain't gonna fall for no banana in the tailpipe!"

[MDawg]

Starting a sentence off with "Certainly" is also an almost certain chat GPT response.

[jdog]

So now we're all getting trolled by bot?? What a world we're livin in.

[Rob.Singer]

**yawn**

Find happiness Rob. I sincerely wish that for you in what time you have left.

Translation: Another direct hit right between the eyes

[MDawg]

In other words, stop whining or don't let the door hit you on the way out, Terapined.

[redietz]

In other words, stop whining or don't let the door hit you on the way out, Terapined.

This thread is hilarious. Here's a question for all of you. Leaving (ahem) MDawg out of the tally, are there any established, documented, reputable (or hell, disreputable, why leave people out?) big-time winning gamblers posting at Wizard of Vegas? Or big-time gamblers, winning or losing, period? I mean, it's kind of a joke if your flagship "winning gamblers" are Axelwolf and Shackleford. Jesus, what does that say about the place? Any sports betting professionals? Any professional established card counters? Any professional poker players? Does Munchkin post there? Does Dancer? Does anybody?

If your expert roster consists of Captain Morgan, the King of Burning Man, and a depressive eating chicken nuggets for money....

It's kind of funny.

And Mission, no insult intended, but if you are reading this, you have to agree. If you, Shackleford, and Axelwolf are the faces of success at WOV, who the hell would ever post anything of real value there? As they say on ESPN, c'mon, man.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Shackleford has assembled a roster that's the Bad News Bears of Las Vegas gambling. He likes being the "expert," so that puts a ceiling on the information there akin to a limbo bar for Lilliputians.

In this context, and go ahead, troops, refute what I just said, this fascination with WOV is bizarre.

[MDawg]

In the same way that I was paid $2000. to show up,

MDawg is taken more serious than anyone on here currently.
He is taken so seriously that DarkOz gave him 2,000 dollars.
That wasn't good enough so he tipped the Wizard 500 dollars.
I'd say that MDawg is taken very seriously to some members.
DarkOz for starters.

Wizard was paid a couple million for his website.

So, in the words of Bruno Bischofberger talking about the value of Jean Michel Basquiat's art..."It's not a matter of how much you work on something that matters, it's how much you can get for it." My family has a Basquiat original they got in the 80s and it looks like he slapped it together in about eight hours. But how much is it worth today?

I have Andy Warhols that aren't even one of a kind, that are worth a quarter mill each, easy. The time Andy spent on each one was signing and numbering in pencil.

Once you are established, people pay you for your time. You know that, REDietz as well as anyone.


But in general, I would agree, most of the WOV forum members are couch potatoes commenting on the real actions of others.

[kewlJ]

This thread is hilarious. Here's a question for all of you. Leaving (ahem) MDawg out of the tally, are there any established, documented, reputable (or hell, disreputable, why leave people out?) big-time winning gamblers posting at Wizard of Vegas? Or big-time gamblers, winning or losing, period? I mean, it's kind of a joke if your flagship "winning gamblers" are Axelwolf and Shackleford. Jesus, what does that say about the place? Any sports betting professionals? Any professional established card counters? Any professional poker players? Does Munchkin post there? Does Dancer? Does anybody?

If your expert roster consists of Captain Morgan, the King of Burning Man, and a depressive eating chicken nuggets for money....

It's kind of funny.

And Mission, no insult intended, but if you are reading this, you have to agree. If you, Shackleford, and Axelwolf are the faces of success at WOV, who the hell would ever post anything of real value there? As they say on ESPN, c'mon, man.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Shackleford has assembled a roster that's the Bad News Bears of Las Vegas gambling. He likes being the "expert," so that puts a ceiling on the information there akin to a limbo bar for Lilliputians.

In this context, and go ahead, troops, refute what I just said, this fascination with WOV is bizarre.

It's always the same thing with you Red. You seem to think members of an anonymous message forum should be vetted with the equivalent of a financial colonoscopy, like they are running for vice president. I guess show tax info to prove that you have won what you claim, show bank statements, give personal info, so people know where you live and can dig down and see if you paid your taxes. <- . You do that and you will have no one....zero real players and APs participate.

And it is not even necessary. As I have said 1000 times, "it just doesn't take much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". Now on this forum, I have been proven wrong about that...well halfway wrong. people here can figure that out, but then they still lie and refuse to accept what they have figured out because they don't like someone. THAT part I never really saw coming. I didn't think so many people would embrace that kind of trollishness. But that is what this forum has proven to be.

[Rob.Singer]

In other words, stop whining or don't let the door hit you on the way out, Terapined.

This thread is hilarious. Here's a question for all of you. Leaving (ahem) MDawg out of the tally, are there any established, documented, reputable (or hell, disreputable, why leave people out?) big-time winning gamblers posting at Wizard of Vegas? Or big-time gamblers, winning or losing, period? I mean, it's kind of a joke if your flagship "winning gamblers" are Axelwolf and Shackleford. Jesus, what does that say about the place? Any sports betting professionals? Any professional established card counters? Any professional poker players? Does Munchkin post there? Does Dancer? Does anybody?

If your expert roster consists of Captain Morgan, the King of Burning Man, and a depressive eating chicken nuggets for money....

It's kind of funny.

And Mission, no insult intended, but if you are reading this, you have to agree. If you, Shackleford, and Axelwolf are the faces of success at WOV, who the hell would ever post anything of real value there? As they say on ESPN, c'mon, man.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Shackleford has assembled a roster that's the Bad News Bears of Las Vegas gambling. He likes being the "expert," so that puts a ceiling on the information there akin to a limbo bar for Lilliputians.

In this context, and go ahead, troops, refute what I just said, this fascination with WOV is bizarre.

I in a way kinda agree with much of that. I've criticized that forum for years because with its "safe space" type rules, those who come in with difficult-to-stomach stories, strategies, backgrounds, or are simply very strong-talking/thick-skinned individuals, are readily pounced on by a collection of feckless, envious, spineless, and broke "guardians of the woke galaxy".

Mdawg is a generational forum talent, in that with all he personally has going for him, he chooses to spend massive amounts of time irritating the hell out of all the WoV softies with his constant show of what it's like to have the resources to be a REAL player in LV. Whether he wins or loses is AND SHOULD BE irrelevant to the rest of us....and only true gambling losers really want him to be a loser. While the best the chumps over there can do is daydream about the high-roller life, he actually does it....and to their disdain and dismay. Name one lower-level gambler besides mickeycrimm who doesn't yearn to be able to do what he does.

I don't know why mdawg does what he does on forums or where he finds the time, but he is in the prime of life and thus seems to have the motivation, wherewithal, and stamina to be able to pull it all off. The way he has completely ruined kew's otherwise meaningless and miserable life--and how he makes all the small people absolutely furious--is something to behold. And I admire that.

[kewlJ]

Mdawg is a generational forum talent, in that with all he personally has going for him,

And this line says it all. Both Singer and Mdawg (and a few others) think the battle is the forum trolling and attacking of other members/people. And that they are winning that battle. You know who else thinks like that? The 30 year old douche-bag living in his mother's basement trolling people. Now I am not saying Singer, and Mdawg are that bad off in life. But they both have some misplaced idea that being a good troll is something to be proud of and that they are actually winning something in life

For most of us in the real world, while we may be forced into some trolling responding to this shit, the whole idea of winning some troll war or battle is so far down our list of what is important, that if it were a printed list, it wouldn't even be on page 1.

[MDawg]

Hitler, someone UNKewlJ likes to mention or allude to frequently, lost the war partly because he was fighting two fronts, east and west.

UNKewlJ is fighting five or more fronts at once, which is part of why he's such a scatterbrained loser.

At the same time that he's trying desperately to establish that he's not just a male prostitute tunnel dweller,

The truth is … UNKewlJ hasn’t spent 20 years playing blackjack. He’s spent 20 years trying to convince people that he’s been playing blackjack.

he's trying inanely to claim that R.Singer, MDawg, and anyone else who comes across his softly whining senses is not doing whatever it is they are claiming.

And at the same time, he's fighting homelessless



and black eyes



from Johns upset at the raw scams he's pulling on them.

Plus on top of all that he's whinnying in the background about how

I really don't care what people think about me.

, and that he will never contact any of us again,

MDawg this is the last thing I will ever say to you

or will quit the forums entirely.

I will not be responding, not on this forum, or any forum. I will not participate. I'm done here.

Plus all his posts are ones where he

keeps trying to manually rephrase the same old nervous essays over and over. Can you imagine how much time and angst that takes?

So it's no wonder he's a basket case.



You don't particularly see me responding to much if any of the nonsense from him (or anyone else) do you? I speak with wit and conviction, the authority of a man long accustomed to knowing what he's talking about, and not needing to respond to every gnat like critique.

UNKewl, on the other hand...

#1 with this guy is how you can almost SEE & FEEL the puny little twit jumping up and down, screaming like a toddler who just got his baba taken away by a big bad bully. Bonus #2? He posts long-winded, rambling drama-laced "I NEED TO set the record straight or I'll go OUT OF MY MIND!" paragraphs that never seem to satisfy, as he then repeats the same things over and over again.

[kewlJ]

You are NOT winning anything by continuing to do this Mdawg. All you are doing is continuing to prove what a troll, dishonest and small person you are.

[MisterV]

Mdawg is a generational forum talent, in that with all he personally has going for him,

Whoa, Sparky...hold it right there.

"Generational talent?"

"Personality?"

The hound is an arrogant man who says that he was born into great wealth: hello, serious advantage in life!

Am I envious?

Fuck no; I made my money on my own, not via the sweat and sacrifice of long dead family members.

I envy no man.

He tries to convince us that he's very successful in all that he does...really?

Gee, what ever happened to his claim that he's closing on a seven figure mansion in Sin City?

He may be a decent person off-line, but I'll never know: all I can say is that online he comes off as an arrogant prick, constantly bragging and attacking his many detractors.

His attacks imply insecurity, big time: I mean, if he really were what he tries to come off as why would he give a shit about what others say or think about him?

His shtick might impress a few of the "Little People" that Robert mocks but for those of us who know how the world really works "there's no THERE there."

[Half Smoke]

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just out of curiosity, how many really big winning gamblers would you guys guess there are across the entire country_______?________I'm talking about guys making millions or at least hundreds of thousands in just one year

what would they be winning at_____?______blackjack___?____the house will shut them down

poker______?_____maybe a very few but they'll need a lot of luck in the tournaments - their faces are well known so few willing to lose big will sit down with them at their tables

machines______?________some like mickey making some good money but I think not millions or hundreds of thousands - at least not consistently year after year

sports betting_____?_______the house is playing games with them too now - they're going to shut down the big winners

so how many________?_________my guess would be that in the entire country it's not many more than two hundred and maybe even well less than two hundred

.

[smurgerburger]

Mdawg is a generational forum talent, in that with all he personally has going for him,

Whoa, Sparky...hold it right there.

"Generational talent?"

"Personality?"

The hound is an arrogant man who says that he was born into great wealth: hello, serious advantage in life!

Am I envious?

Fuck no; I made my money on my own, not via the sweat and sacrifice of long dead family members.

I envy no man.

He tries to convince us that he's very successful in all that he does...really?

Gee, what ever happened to his claim that he's closing on a seven figure mansion in Sin City?

He may be a decent person off-line, but I'll never know: all I can say is that online he comes off as an arrogant prick, constantly bragging and attacking his many detractors.

His attacks imply insecurity, big time: I mean, if he really were what he tries to come off as why would he give a shit about what others say or think about him?

His shtick might impress a few of the "Little People" that Robert mocks but for those of us who know how the world really works "there's no THERE there."

That's what they call in the Shakespeare business protesting too much.

[MisterV]

That's what they call in the Shakespeare business protesting too much.

LOL

Oh, I agree...I'm no "peach" myself, but I'm not the one up for discussion and my points are indeed valid.

[kewlJ]

what would they be winning at_____?______blackjack___?____the house will shut them down

I am only going to comment on the blackjack and "the house will shut them down" comment. I like to paraphrase a Standford Wong quote, "A monkey can be taught to count cards, the real trick is to figure out how to keep being allowed or welcome to play". THIS is what I have made my priority and what I have TRIED to share some of what I do. There ARE things a player can do, to extend his longevity. Everything from limits played, to how he plays, to how he bets, and of course playing anonymously, trading comps for longevity.

But, yes, generally your statement is correct, which is why I have such a problem with a guy claiming to win millions while playing rated and being comped. I know I get mocked for this, but it just doesn't work that way.

I have an incident that I was made aware of this week. Well not really an incident....a non incident. I was made aware by a friend of a new entry in the databases. This happens every so often. It is extremely beneficial for a player to monitor the databases (or have a friend do so) so that when it does he can handle it and minimize damage. I am lucky enough to have that.

So here is the problem of strange part. This new entry is at a location I was not playing at. I have only played there once this year and it was months earlier. And both pictures in the entry are not me, nor close to what I look like. Only a brief mention of my name. I am guessing somebody got backed off or trespassed for card counting and then someone from surveillance checked back through the database, found an old entry of me, and somehow linked the two.

My first response was a bit of annoyance. But I quickly realized this works to my benefit. Of the two parts to a database entry, photos and written account and description, the photos are the much more damaging part by far. And a wrong photo not matching the name is actually beneficial.