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[MDawg]

It's not just that UNKewlJ is a moron with no ability to connect the dots in analyzing anything (although, he is that too, a moron), and someone with all the personality of a wooden rocking chair (he's that as well, vapid and listless), but also that he can't expound on what he has not experienced personally. Which is why his posts tend to ramble on endlessly as he keeps throwing everything he has read or heard about the subject into the mix, repeating too his well worn blackjack story almost every time ("I've been playing ___ years and I've made ____ dollars and this is how much I SHOULD have made based on the math") desperately hoping to appear like some kind of authority (in this respect he isn't much different from Tasha with her "so and so did such and such" where she's writing about something she read or heard about).

(With UNKewl posts you may almost hear the rising soft whine of "I know what I'm talking about whyy won't you people pay attention to mee" in the background. But still - almost no relating of personal experience, tons of regurgitated "this is the way it should be.")

[kewlJ]

Mdawg, you can troll and play your games until the cows come home (again), but it doesn't change the fact that almost everything you claim is voodoo, or defies reality (the math and the way casinos work). You are a guy telling a story, a fiction story...nothing more. And all your name calling and attacks can't and won't change that.

People can say what they want about me (and do), believe what they want about me (and they do), but nothing I have ever said about blackjack and what I do defied the math or the way things work. As a matter of fact, players playing blackjack that listened to me, and specifically when I explained how I do different things and why, geared toward my primary goal at the time of longevity, would have benefited and I know some have.

But not a damn person anywhere has ever benefited from a single voodoo nonsense thing someone like you or Singer has ever said. Like me or not....for whatever reason....THAT is the difference.

[Rob.Singer]

Mdawg, you can troll and play your games until the cows come home (again), but it doesn't change the fact that almost everything you claim is voodoo, or defies reality (the math and the way casinos work). You are a guy telling a story, a fiction story...nothing more. And all your name calling and attacks can't and won't change that.

People can say what they want about me (and do), believe what they want about me (and they do), but nothing I have ever said about blackjack and what I do defied the math or the way things work. As a matter of fact, players playing blackjack that listened to me, and specifically when I explained how I do different things and why, geared toward my primary goal at the time of longevity, would have benefited and I know some have.

But not a damn person anywhere has ever benefited from a single voodoo nonsense thing someone like you or Singer has ever said. Like me or not....for whatever reason....THAT is the difference.

Kew, you only have yourself to blame when you say these things. Where in my post did I mention playing a progression, being "due" or "not due", or anything else other than recommending that a disciplined player go down in denomination so that you keep your winnings instead of rushing into the high limit room--where it is far more likely than not that the jackpot will all be poured right back into the machines?

There's no "voo-doo" associated with holding onto your winnings. I said this because I'm very aware that Alan was a prime abuser in doing this over & over again. I still remember the time he called me after hitting one of his $100k royals, complaining about how he ran over to the $100 machine and quickly lost 350 credits without so much as a FH. He knew I'd lay a scolding on him and I believe that's exactly what he wanted.

Face it--most all non-AP machine players do this regularly. They get a high from the big win and having all that cash at their fingertips, and they get an even bigger rush from the confidence by playing even higher denominations. Precisely what the casinos want and expect players to do. And if you were fortunate enuf to have read my writings or to have had me train you back in my day, you would have seen or heard me trying to pound those words into heads over and over again. Simple common sense.

[MDawg]

Now will come the SChiZoPHreNiC UNKewl PYsCHo babble, including 10x multiplier responses packed with long-winded, rambling drama-laced "I NEED TO set the record straight or I'll go OUT OF MY MIND!" paragraphs that never seem to satisfy, as he then repeats the same things over and over again complete with "Now I'd like to address..." introductory phrases.

[kewlJ]

Kew, you only have yourself to blame when you say these things. Where in my post did I mention playing a progression, being "due" or "not due", or anything else other than recommending that a disciplined player go down in denomination so that you keep your winnings instead of rushing into the high limit room--where it is far more likely than not that the jackpot will all be poured right back into the machines?

I have some work to do and am heading out shortly, so can't "waste" the day with you on this Rob, but advocating for going down in denomination after hitting a big or bigger win is a form of negative progression wagering. And all your talk over the years of moving up in denomination after not hitting 4oak or whatever your target hit is, is a form or positive progression wagering. Neither work.

Do you not even understand the voodoo concept, progression wagering you have pushed for decades?

[MDawg]

kewlJ has a history of hoaxes.

[jdog]

advocating for going down in denomination after hitting a big or bigger win is a form of negative progression wagering.

Singer wasn't advocating any kind of strategy with this comment, thought that was obvious. For a recreational gambler it's a smart move to pull back after a big win so they can actually leave with some of it.

[smurgerburger]

If you've ever read my articles, my books, my website, or saw or listened to me on TV or radio etc., you'd know I've always railed against players running to higher limit machines after hitting it big.

If you have read Rob's articles, books, websites or saw him anywhere and listened to him....then may God help you! I hope you have disposable money to throw away at the casinos.

I didn't say anything when Slapinfunk started this thread because I didn't want to be dismissive of him sharing his experiences. I am all for that. But when Dan Druff (of all people) came along telling him not to feel bad about his mistake because it enabled him to win a bigger jackpot a short time later, and slapinfunk concurred, the thread took a hard right turn into voodoo-ism.

And now Singer comes along doubling down on this complete voodoo nonsense that of progression play because you are "due", (or not due after a win).

Just complete nonsense. Complete gambling voodoo. One hand or spin has absolutely nothing to do with the next. PERIOD!! The VERY voodoo nonsense I have spent years challenging with people like Singer and Mdawg (Mdawgs betting into hot streaks and Singer telling us the machines signal when they are "due". )

If this forum had a voodoo section, this thread and these ideas by Druff and now Singer would be regulated to the voodoo section. But here, just about everything is the voodoo section.

This is not voodoo.

This is the observation that if he had played correctly his subsequent results would have been random and therefore unlikely to have been as good as his actual session result (which was lucky).

[MisterV]

KJ's point, I believe, is simply that it is BULLSHIT to think that changing bet sizes provides some form of true mathematical advantage.

It is nice to believe that increasing a bet after a win will take advantage of a "winning streak" but that is superstition: all outcomes are random.

[kewlJ]

KJ's point, I believe, is simply that it is BULLSHIT to think that changing bet sizes provides some form of true mathematical advantage.

It is nice to believe that increasing a bet after a win will take advantage of a "winning streak" but that is superstition: all outcomes are random.

That is correct MrV. Changing bet sizes as a means to overcome a house edge is just nonsense. Been disproven hundreds of years ago. And that is the basis of the SPS (Singer progression System) which was Rob's major claim for a decade until he instead stole the double-up claim from Kane/Nestor.

Today he is talking about "preserving a win". Preserving it until when? Next week when the player plays again at -EV? The terms "stop limits" or "loss limits" or even "win limits" or if not the terms themself, then the concept of these things often work their way into these same conversations. THESE are all branches of the same voodoo tree. And when I say "voodoo", I am talking about long disproven (by math) gambling folklore type nonsense, that losing players seem to embrace over and over and over.

I must of had a half dozen conversations with Slappy, father Alan involving "stop limits". If you are only stopping until tomorrow, or next week or even next month, you aren't stopping, nor preserving anything. It is really only a "stop limit" if you are stopping, never to play again.

If you want to be a winning player, you find something that flips the advantage to the player, something mathematical or that you can show the math for. And you bet more when you are at an advantage. (That is the basis of card counting). THERE is your betting system, for those that need a betting system.....bet more when you are at an advantage and less or nothing when you are not. And you know what that is called? .....advantage play. But all this other nonsense, including the things Rob alluded to today is just that....nonsense.

The casinos must really love some of you guys.

[kewlJ]

The casinos must really love some of you guys.

We KNOW the casinos LOVE Mdawg, because they give him all the freebies and comps he claims. Why do you think they give him that? ....because he wins?

Anyway, back to your regular programming.

[coach belly]

something that flips the advantage to the player, something mathematical or that you can show the math for.

Is the math for card-counting a formula that can be expressed in writing, or does it require computerized simulations of game play?

[redietz]

Mdawg, you can troll and play your games until the cows come home (again), but it doesn't change the fact that almost everything you claim is voodoo, or defies reality (the math and the way casinos work). You are a guy telling a story, a fiction story...nothing more. And all your name calling and attacks can't and won't change that.

People can say what they want about me (and do), believe what they want about me (and they do), but nothing I have ever said about blackjack and what I do defied the math or the way things work. As a matter of fact, players playing blackjack that listened to me, and specifically when I explained how I do different things and why, geared toward my primary goal at the time of longevity, would have benefited and I know some have.

But not a damn person anywhere has ever benefited from a single voodoo nonsense thing someone like you or Singer has ever said. Like me or not....for whatever reason....THAT is the difference.

Technically, kewlJ is incorrect (my brain is fried from memorizing stats for hours, so I'll take a break to chime in). I have pointed out how he is wrong vis-a-vis this stuff, but he refuses to acknowledge the flaws in his Singer storyline.

God forbid I espouse Singerian "wisdom," but I've made these points before.

(1) If you ignore the vp alleged analytics of Mr. Singer, and simply take his general recommendations at face value (hosts are evil creatures, you need to be able to get up instantly from playing, playing any casino game to get bonuses is wrong, sitting at a vp machine or casino table for hours on end in a smoke-filled casino is health-wise dumb, and so on), they make plenty of sense. Playing an alleged positive EV game that gives you emphysema is not positive EV. You lose hours, you pay physical and medical prices, and you never really know what the cost will be long-term, so parading what you are doing in-the-now as "+EV" is borderline nuts. You may wind up on oxygen 20 years hence. His harping on addiction, whether it's his opinion or speaking from his personal experience or both, is helpful.

(2) Specifically, from a comps perspective, the way Singer played video poker with his level jumping and superficial whackjob-ism, undoubtedly gets you more comps and more notice than playing like a pro. It's conceivable that he gets categorized in a completely different, player-friendly way than any AP, and if the bulk of play is at low levels, then he may be doing as well from a Pyrrhic perspective (sacrifice some cash to get mega-comps) as classic low-level video poker APs. It's almost a bizarro Max Rubin kind of thing.

Back to work. carry on.

[kewlJ]

Red, are you forgetting that at times Singer said or alluded to that he didn't play rated. Didn't want or need points and multiplier days. He won by his SPS and "special plays". Are you forgetting that, because now you are making him out to be some sort of comp hustling genius. Somebody either Singer, or you on his behalf is revising and re-telling the stories.

And yes...STOP distracting me. I am trying to get my sports picks all organized for the weekend. Can't make some of them until this evening (half juice Friday evening), but try to get the work done ahead of time.

[MDawg]

How many times does he need to suffer thru "It just isn't fair that MDawg gets to claim he wins all the time with comps, gifts and special treatment, and he gets support & cover from Benedict Shack and other Richard Potatoes from the gaming forums' group of administrators!" "Can't you people see how much this HURTS me when I can't do anything about it?"

Yes....kew IS the architect of his own suffering. While other disbelievers aren't affected one bit by what MDawg does or says, kew let's it get so far under his skin that it's spelling I AM A FOOL all over his wimpy body

How about some truth about his obsession for a refreshing change. Kew is so extraordinarily jealous of the guy because he knows he has wealth far beyond anything kew will ever see. He also despises him for being normal and not being afflicted with that short circuit in his brain. Covering up this ball of envy with rambling posts of "I'm an educator on LV gambling operation, and I say THAT'S NOT HOW THIS CITY WORKS!"

[kewlJ]

Mdawg, I don't believe you are as wealthy as you claim, something Dan Druff has also stated, that I could repeatedly quote, but don't feel the need to.

But I really don't care either way. If you are wealthy enough that you can lose millions of dollars at casinos in exchange for some free rooms or suites and meals....power to you. Honestly.

The only thing I have ever objected to, is you pissing on all our legs and telling us it is raining, and that is what you do with all this talk of winning and the casinos love you for it. It just isn't real. You are a guy telling a story. to be more precise...a guy from a forum about writing stories, who has expanded to telling his fiction stories on several gambling forums.

And now you have been reduced to trolling everyone, me, Axelwolf, DO, Half Smoke, MrV, and many more. Anyone and everyone that has publicly stated they don't beleive you. Do you think this trolling and attacks really enhances your credibility? Just really weird.

[MDawg]

Kew you're not fooling anybody with your stoopid "my blackjack journey" stuff....and you never have. You've never done anything more than "lift" information, procedures and tactics off of the true players and concocted stories of your own with it. If you're not seeing this reputation you've earned, then you are certified Philadelphia-dumb. And continuously trying to divert and deflect by using the mdawg "journey" while showing your irritation with and hatred of wizard for ignoring your constant nonsense & obsession, all you're doing is making an even bigger fool of yourself.

THAT'S how things really work.