Bet on Kamala.....

[jdog]

My wife and I "trust the science"

Science is wonderful and should be trusted, but the problem is concerning Covid, it seems to rarely be applied. My cousin was a biochemist at a large university and quit her job over the lack of such application.

[Rob.Singer]

Whatever....the vaccine worked, we got through it.

Move on...

And not getting the vaccine worked even better.

[jdog]

So far, so good.

But I do have a couple friends who were not so lucky

[Rob.Singer]

My wife and I "trust the science" and take all recommended vaccines, be it for covid, shingles, whatever.

So far, so good.

You trust the so-called science because you want the Government to take care of you.

Shingles vaccine? Really??

Here's a hint: the less drugs you put into your body, the better life you will have.

[MisterV]

Shingles vaccine? Really??

Yes, really.

My great nana contracted shingles very late in her long life (103 years) and by report it was an agonizing affliction for her.

Sure, there's always risks with any vaccines, especially ones like covid which were rushed into production, but I'll take the risk rather than getting a full, unbuffered dose of disease.

[jdog]

I'll take the risk rather than getting a full, unbuffered dose of disease.

Take it easy and educate yourself. The more recent variants of Covid are not all that life threatening. Experts said from the very beginning that Covid would likely mutate into something more transmissible but less harmful and this is what happened. And it certainly no longer warrants taking an experimental drug therapy with highly questionable long term effects.

[accountinquestion]

You guys arguing this always mispresent. You did this again. I never said the journals are not influenced at all by pharma but big pharma is not going to have the power to cover up the studies.

To this I can only say huh?? You said they don't control, I said they probably have some influence. Then you say you agree with me. But I'm misrepresenting what now??

You think we got info from social media influencers?? LMAO Oh no, back when we were looking at all this stuff anything like that had been censored off pretty much all SM platforms. I did find non-US mainstream media to be more reliable but of course everything is biased. I definitely looked at stuff that I'm sure you would not bother with, but often come to the conclusion that it was complete nonsense. You just had to read whatever you came across and use your best judgement. What was congruent with the experts in their fields and such. Often you'd come across some interesting info in a story but then the author came to a biased and unwarranted conclusion, but the data presented still had merit. I did my best to fact check stuff whenever possible. I even did my own analysis of the vaccine effectiveness based on UK data when it was first available. I'm friends with a doctor who oversaw Covid patients in a local hospital that I got direct feedback from. I had up to date mortality, hospitalization, infection data available on browser tabs to corroborate stuff. I really found the scope of the deception fascinating. I do still have a few things. Wanna see the trial results that warranted emergency use of the vaccine?

When you start talking about msm as some sort of conspiratorial thing then sorry but that is from the land of social media influencers. Listen to us, not THEM! All this shit goes hand in hand which is a big part of why I'm over it and don't like to discuss it.

You seemed to suggest that there was a reasonable chance that somehow the influence of big pharma is preventing these studies from existing. That isn't the same as saying there is no influence. Sure there is likely some sort of influence somewhere, but so?

Clearly you spent far far more time on the subject than I have but that doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the basis of how I form my beliefs. There appeared to be many indepth academic/research papers that said there was no increase in post-vaccine deaths. If you want me to pick some and you want to tell me how they're wrong then I will do so.

It is hard for you to not take this personal as you have clearly spent a lot of time on investigating it. I'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about but the system I use to form the basis of beliefs is disagreeing with you and it won't be changed anytime soon.

If these journal articles/paper are wrong then it should be demonstratable by you. That would suggest a cover-up far beyond the simple msm needs to kiss big-pharma ass. (Which is true). It suggests something much more darker and a conspiracy that is across academia and institutions all so that a few public companies can maximize profits. I still maintain academics are not into life for money so this idea that everyone is corrupted has never agreed with me.

[accountinquestion]

My wife and I "trust the science"

Science is wonderful and should be trusted, but the problem is concerning Covid, it seems to rarely be applied. My cousin was a biochemist at a large university and quit her job over the lack of such application.

What were her issues in particular? What was she being forced to do that made her quit?

[coach belly]

shingles...was an agonizing affliction for her.

I've had elderly relatives contract shingles, and witnessed their suffering.

It's painful, but manageable, depending on where on the body the outbreak occurs.

One unfortunate 80+ in-law had the outbreak on his face, and was suicidal due to the pain...he begged to be euthanized, and ended up losing sight in one eye.

But shingles is essentially adult chicken pox, symptoms are temporary, and complications rarely life-threatening.

Most of us probably can't remember having chicken pox, but if you've had kids, and seen a full-blown outbreak, it's pretty shocking, but nowhere close to being as bad as it looks.

But that's for kids, not the elderly. For the elderly, it's worse than it looks.

[accountinquestion]

shingles...was an agonizing affliction for her.

I've had elderly relatives contract shingles, and witnessed their suffering.

It's painful, but manageable, depending on where on the body the outbreak occurs.

One unfortunate 80+ in-law had the outbreak on his face, and was suicidal due to the pain...he begged to be euthanized, and ended up losing sight in one eye.

But shingles is essentially adult chicken pox, symptoms are temporary, and complications rarely life-threatening.

Most of us probably can't remember having chicken pox, but if you've had kids, and seen a full-blown outbreak, it's pretty shocking, but nowhere close to being as bad as it looks.

But that's for kids, not the elderly. For the elderly, it's worse than it looks.

You get shingles in the optical nerve and it can be really bad shit. Thank god for modern anti-virals.

MisterV - Singer is a proven idiot. Why do you even respond to him? That basically just demonstrates you're also an idiot.

[jdog]

If these journal articles/paper are wrong then it should be demonstratable by you.

Please provide a link to what you are referencing. But be warned as long as it's not excessively technical I will read it in it's entirety.

What were her issues in particular? What was she being forced to do that made her quit?

I think it was mainly the lockdown measures (more of how they affected her kids) but I think once there was even talk of mandating the vaccines, she was done.

[MisterV]

MisterV - Singer is a proven idiot. Why do you even respond to him? That basically just demonstrates you're also an idiot.

I'm an "idiot," you say?

Harummph...

[accountinquestion]

MisterV - Singer is a proven idiot. Why do you even respond to him? That basically just demonstrates you're also an idiot.

I'm an "idiot," you say?

Harummph...

I'm just saying you can do better. Responding to Singer as if he is relevant in life outside of trolling kewl is the move of a loser.

I retract the idiot statement.

[accountinquestion]

If these journal articles/paper are wrong then it should be demonstratable by you.

Please provide a link to what you are referencing. But be warned as long as it's not excessively technical I will read it in it's entirety.

What were her issues in particular? What was she being forced to do that made her quit?

I think it was mainly the lockdown measures (more of how they affected her kids) but I think once there was even talk of mandating the vaccines, she was done.

There are many papers. I'm not sure what you claim. Do you say that not counting the benefits from catching COVID outcomes + side-effects < neutral outcome OR are you saying that the side-effect deaths were very substantial? There are tons of papers supporting the former. I can't find anything that tries to specifically extract the extra death rate from side-effects. There might be a serious issue with the data at that point for various reasons. I don't know but everything addresses COVID outcomes post shot/infection was better outcome than prior to the shot.

I can't find a paper either way that tries to extra the death rate. Literally given how it all works, I can't imagine them extracting cause of death AND vaccine status accurately from anything. Self-reporting stuff I am so not trusting to report accurate anything. So what does that leave? It leaves all the numerous studies.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34055843/ I can find others. But the problem with this is it comes from the government likely. The list of papers just goes on. At least half a dozen if not signficantly more and I find nothing in my searches about how the death rate shot up. I don't get your graph or what it is about. It seems like someone somewhere would have written a paper - EVEN if rejected from journals laying this out. Something ... that explains the methodolgy and how they determined this excess death.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34055843/ is useful because they seem to actually have data on how people died contrary to what I suspect. I don't know. I'm not digging into it. I've spent more than enough time. I should have just dumped all the papers in here but after reading many abstracts and such nothing has changed my opinion.

So just find something that seems respectable and not tied into some social media/website pusher person. I doubt I will respond further unless you dispute the above link outside of it being government funded OR just show me one of these papers I ask for ...

Maybe I need to put conspiratorial language into these AI systems to see if they can find me something but nah ... I've spent far too much time on this.

[soxfan]

Glad I'm not a scared, weak, stupid piece of shit so i never fell for the covid bulls-shits, and am proudly in-vaxxed, hey hey.

[soxfan]

Ain't it great that tax-payer are gonna be on the hook for settlements pays-outs since these drug company receive indemnity from government, hey hey????

[soxfan]

I hope that all of you weak, cowardly, scared stupid little bitches line up for your birds-flu vaccine, coming soon, hey hey!!!!

[MDawg]

Why don’t you just keep your children from polio, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, small pox, and other vaccines.

Don’t let your daughter get the hpv vaccine.

Never get a tetanus shot.

Don’t ever take antibiotics.

Why stop there - be a Christian Scientist and avoid all medical treatments.

At the end of the day either you’re a Modern Man or you may go back to living in the Dark Ages.

[soxfan]

Bbbwwwaaahhhh, I figure that some of you must be on yer tenth booster shot by now, hey hey!!!!

[soxfan]

There need to be serious repercussion for all those who pushed the covid bulls-shits, simple and plain, hey hey!!!!