Baccarats Realities!!!!

[coach belly]

How could he participate in a challenge and protect his anonymity?

Use a surrogate...like dork schnoz did.

[soxfan]

Oh look, a retard says he's a longterm winner without using any AP. Never seen that before.

Bbwwaahhh, low level, low iq subhumans like you are too fucking stooooooooopid to figure out what I'm doing to capture that 1.25 unit net profits per shoe, longs-term, hey hey!!!!

[kewlJ]

I suppose that it could happen in theory, but I doubt it is happening as soxfan claims.

As I have explained, people saying the things like Soxfan are claiming just don't understand how the casino industry works.

here is another example. Soxfan claim: $56k a month so lets round to 600k a year in winnings from several casinos.

ok casinos have a number usually, 40 to 50k for standard midlevel better that they tolerate as a lifetime win amount. LIFETIME. Some larger casinos it is closer to 100k. But only if you are betting bigger. What this number means is that even if they don't suspect or see you doing something like counting cards, hole carding ect, once a player reaches this number they are not going to tolerate much more and the clamps really come down.

And playing anonymous helps but doesn't completely absolve this situation. They still have ways of knowing and tracking players. And players try all sorts of things like rat-holing chips to try to make their lifetime earning remain below this number. Again, that may help some, but their are dangers and risks with that as well. You may end up inflating the very number you want to make look smaller.

So Sox fan claims 600k a year at several casinos. What is several? 4? 5? 3? He is already above this threshold in less than a year. Less than 6 months.

Now compare that to what I have done to achieve longevity. I averaged 80k (playing blackjack for 10-12 years prior to starting to play differently in the past several years. so 80K ayear. I played a large rotation of Las Vegas casinos, ranging in size from small to medium (Stations type casinos) to larger strip casinos. That large rotation consisted of 26-30 different casinos. Some years more than 30. And some of the bigger casinos with multiple pits almost count as 2 casinos if you keep accurate records to keep your play from accumulating in any one pit. Add in that I made two trips every year to the east coast to play PA casinos and usually at least one trip somewhere else to play several casinos (Reno, pac NW, gulf coast).

So my 80k a year was spread out over 40-50 casinos every year. Do the math. That is an average of about 2 grand per casino per year. Now of course that is average. Some casinos I would win more, some less. Some I would even lose for the year. But even my top casino I was well below any threshold that would become problematic as far as lifetime win. Way, way below. And if I would happen to have a casino that I just did extremely well one year, I would stop playing and take a break until the next year.

THAT may sound counter-productive to stop playing your best or most winningest casino but THAT is how you achieve longevity. Longevity just doesn't occurs out of the blue. It just doesn't happen. A player has to work at it. Keep really good records. spread you play around. Learn when to take a break.

I have shared some of that. Not everything in great detail, because I decide what I can and can't share or don't want to share. But when some yahoo comes along claiming longevity and winning amounts that casinos would never stand for, it does irk me. these are people I know are full of shit because they don't understand the game and how it is played and they don't understand how the casino industry works. They are bullshitters talking out their ass. And as someone who really works at winning and knows what it takes and what you can and can't do, it even pisses me off when these yahoos come spreading their fantasy stories and claims.

[smurgerburger]

Only skimmed KJs post but it looks to be wrong.

If you have a non-obvious angle and you limit your session wins and mix in unrated play if possible you can accumulate very large cumulative wins.

There have been a number of cases where the accumulated losses on a game were so large that the casino just removed it entirely without ever figuring out what was wrong or who was responsible.

With a baccarat angle you should basically be able to last indefinitely if you do it right.

[coach belly]

once a player reaches this number they are not going to tolerate much more and the clamps really come down.

What is the basis for the assertion above as applied to baccarat?

What evidence can you provide to substantiate your claim?

How many cats have ever been backed of from the baccarats?

[kewlJ]

Learning what is and isn't tolerated and playing within casino comfort or tolerated levels encompasses a range of different things.

Betting limits. (max bets)

Session length

Session wins

yearly and lifetime wins at that casino.

And they are not unrelated. Some fold into one another. For example if you play short sessions with some exit triggers that ensure shorts sessions and play mid level betting limits that are well tolerated, you just won't have that many really big session wins that someone has to answer for. And without these large session wins, you won't breach the yearly and lifetime win amounts that are tolerated.

It all works together. Or like I said, you can claim winning millions and that casinos and casino personnel that would lose their jobs just don't care and love you.

But in the end, "it just doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just taking" .

[soxfan]

I personally know of a few cats, at my local mortars and brick joint what went for many months and even more than a year where they capture six and seven figure profits at the baccarats and they never got backed off. the casinos do NOT view baccarats action in the same way that they view 21 table action. cats get backed of at 21 for just winnings 30-40ks, by being lucky and not even counting. The only cat what I know got backed off from the baccarats is the Phil Ivey and the oriental broad what he teamed up with but the were doing something very overt what they casino picked up on, hey hey.

[kewlJ]

Only skimmed KJs post but it looks to be wrong.

If you have a non-obvious angle and you limit your session wins and mix in unrated play if possible you can accumulate very large cumulative wins.

There have been a number of cases where the accumulated losses on a game were so large that the casino just removed it entirely without ever figuring out what was wrong or who was responsible.

With a baccarat angle you should basically be able to last indefinitely if you do it right.

You really beleive casinos just sit there seeing baccarat losses for day after day, and do nothing about it? is that what yoiu are telling me smurgerburger?

[kewlJ]

and mix in unrated play if possible you can accumulate very large cumulative wins.

You DO KNOW that casinos can and will track your play whether you are playing rated or not right? If you play unrated for even moderate stakes, the casino will assign a temporary name/identity to you for tracking purposes. If you are not a regular somewhat know player it is only for that session/day. But if you are a regular player at that casino, that name/identity carries over and they will track you much the same as if you are playing rated. So why play unrated then? well it makes it a little harder and some pit members might now be familiar and miss tracking you. Basically you just don't want to make it easy for them like playing rated does. But in no way are you going to win larger amounts even over months and not be tracked.

[kewlJ]

once a player reaches this number they are not going to tolerate much more and the clamps really come down.

What is the basis for the assertion

The basis of my assertion is that I have a very good friend in the industry working at a strip casino that I talk about these things regularly with. I pick his brain (and he knows it) because I want to know all I can. Additionally I have had the pleasure and good fortune to speak with a number of other casino management types in the industry including a top surveillance guy that was a guest in Norms chat room. I exchanged emails with him and we talked some for several years after.

Real advantage play is not what movies or some of these guys make it out to be. It is not just gambling and winning. You learn everything you can learn. You never stop learning how things work. What is and isn't tolerated. You devise plans and new plans based on this. And when something goes wrong and you run into some problems, you re-evaluate, revise your plan and attack and move forward. It a a plan and constant adjustments based on new things learned.

It isn't "Oh I win, win, win and no one cares". That is what I have tried to share. But you people, even some AP's want to focus on stupid shit, like I don't like him because..... instead. You simply dont want to see and wont accept what you don't want to see. Dont know why I waste my time here. That is on me I guess.

[monet]

I personally know of a few cats, at my local mortars and brick joint what went for many months and even more than a year where they capture six and seven figure profits at the baccarats and they never got backed off. the casinos do NOT view baccarats action in the same way that they view 21 table action. cats get backed of at 21 for just winnings 30-40ks, by being lucky and not even counting. The only cat what I know got backed off from the baccarats is the Phil Ivey and the oriental broad what he teamed up with but the were doing something very overt what they casino picked up on, hey hey.

Baccarat has been a favorite for cheating crews ever since I can remember.
Casinos getting robbed by crews all the time in Baccarat worldwide.
However, in some countries, they will cut your hands off if they catch you.

[kewlJ]

I personally know of a few cats, at my local mortars and brick joint what went for many months and even more than a year where they capture six and seven figure profits at the baccarats and they never got backed off. the casinos do NOT view baccarats action in the same way that they view 21 table action. cats get backed of at 21 for just winnings 30-40ks, by being lucky and not even counting. The only cat what I know got backed off from the baccarats is the Phil Ivey and the oriental broad what he teamed up with but the were doing something very overt what they casino picked up on, hey hey.

Baccarat has been a favorite for cheating crews ever since I can remember.
Casinos getting robbed by crews all the time in Baccarat worldwide.

correct-a-mundo. Casino are well aware of all the cheating that goes on with baccarat. Just another reason, they are not going to let some player or group of players win the amounts claimed here....like these guys claim.

[kewlJ]

Anyway, I have a new set of football games to watch (4:30 games, 7:30 in the east). And a hockey parlay. Haven't had a great day so far, hoping for a better late afternoon and evening. Then heading out later for some blackjack play. Full day for me.

So not going to waste any more time on these baccarat freaks.

ps: I usually bet monets games individually, but went with his parlay today. Not sure why.

[MDawg]

The basis of my assertion is that I have a very good friend in the industry working at a strip casino that I talk about these things regularly with.

It is incredible that UNKewLyingJ would still come with the make pretend about having anything to do with the casinos beyond playing a lil red to green as cover for sugar daddy ploys.

There is a clear trend that has developed now. All of KewlJ's implied associates are turning out to be other invented characters in his years of lies. ...RIP

He came with changing versions of the "MGM Execs visited me on Halloween" fable too, which was also based on fictional connections within the casino industry.

Compulsive liar is a fair assessment of what he is. If people go back and look at your last few stories they will see a trend in you always changing the story after you get caught lying.

[monet]

I personally know of a few cats, at my local mortars and brick joint what went for many months and even more than a year where they capture six and seven figure profits at the baccarats and they never got backed off. the casinos do NOT view baccarats action in the same way that they view 21 table action. cats get backed of at 21 for just winnings 30-40ks, by being lucky and not even counting. The only cat what I know got backed off from the baccarats is the Phil Ivey and the oriental broad what he teamed up with but the were doing something very overt what they casino picked up on, hey hey.

Baccarat has been a favorite for cheating crews ever since I can remember.
Casinos getting robbed by crews all the time in Baccarat worldwide.

correct-a-mundo. Casino are well aware of all the cheating that goes on with baccarat. Just another reason, they are not going to let some player or group of players win the amounts claimed here....like these guys claim.

They have a hard time keeping up.
When I worked for the MGM, I took some classes on protection.
Cheating is rampant.
You should see some of the moves caught on camera, lol.
The smarties have the floor and dealer in on it.
Heck, they might even have security in on the scam.

[soxfan]

How the hell is a cat gonna cheat when he's buckin up against the live dealt game online, hey hey????

[smurgerburger]

Only skimmed KJs post but it looks to be wrong.

If you have a non-obvious angle and you limit your session wins and mix in unrated play if possible you can accumulate very large cumulative wins.

There have been a number of cases where the accumulated losses on a game were so large that the casino just removed it entirely without ever figuring out what was wrong or who was responsible.

With a baccarat angle you should basically be able to last indefinitely if you do it right.

You really beleive casinos just sit there seeing baccarat losses for day after day, and do nothing about it? is that what yoiu are telling me smurgerburger?

One person being +EV doesn't make the entire pit -EV for the house. Baccarat gets much more action than BJ.

[MDawg]

Only then can you begin to win money from casinos on a regular basis using some mathematically proven advantage play method.

"Sure I'm a compulsive liar, but at least my lies could have been true!"

It is about you lying constantly !!!!

This whole math thing. Let me tell you something, Kewl. To the sharper people on here it becomes increasingly apparently that you based your whole facade around being believable. Where the math "works". When you're in a really bad spot you fall back on the "why don't you believe me because the math works". It is sad. I'm not sure what drives you to continue with this charade.

Anyone thinking I am bullying this dude REMEMBER he just threatened to dox someone. In addition, even though he calls people "sand n" when it suits him - he threatened to call the local news station to put pressure on Druff.

Kewl, the improbability of what all you have claimed is 0. Absolutely 0. This is why we get annoyed with you. Go find some other forum to give everyone gambling advice. JFC

[MDawg]

THIS is not posting and proving result.

What SoxFan has posted is at least a compilation of claimed exact results. And he backs this up with a proposed Challenge. Miles above anything you ever have presented, notwithstanding that you are constantly caught in lies and contradictions that make anything you say suspect.

He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells, which means that even when he's telling the truth, we think he's lying. That's entirely his fault.

All UNKewlJ ever offered, until

he outed himself as the tunnel dwelling male prostitute fraud that he is.

was an inane "I have won exactly what I should have" and an occasionally rising by multiples of $500K at a jump, claimed aggregate lifetime win.

I know what my advantage is and yet I've won more than expected. That someone could say that he won exactly what he expects to have when where even his fable is that he doesn't play rated or even know exactly what his handle is, and his math and memory abilities have been demonstrated to be abysmal, fits precisely with a complete B.S. story of someone who

100 percent sells ass and mouth for cash.

and then comes on here

pretending to be some hero AP to give him purpose and a sense of accomplishment.

KJ is different because (1) I initially believed him, more or less, and (2) he is imo a complete fraud. I don't mean a liar, I mean a complete fraud, like catfish style. And that is not something you see every day and is really kind of fascinating.

Even the exercise the other day where it at first appeared that someone might have spotted UNKewlJ at some point, ended with a thud, changing daily versions of the UNKewl lies, and no resolution.

Really, it doesn't go much further than that anyone who claims to value anonymity so much wouldn't be so desperate to prove himself online, and yet also be unable to provide a shred of backup for anything he has had to say. Those conflicting values add up to a complete phony.

[MisterV]

Now you keep yer nose in the fraud-j's asshole and maybe he'll give you a shot after he's done with his hen-peck jew boyfriend, hey hey.

My my, someone is feeling feisty with his insults.

Still and all, there ARE ways of proving you won what you claim you did, and it can't be faked.

What, are you too stupid to figure it out?