Professional Sportsbetting

[AxelWolf]

I for sure didn't call you a liar, but I certainly doubted you got an average of 5.4-.6 wagering requirements for the amount of money you were talking about. Mickey did some calculations with the information you provided, you didn't dispute it, you basically confined it.

One might ask... how I be doubting you without calling you a liar or believing that you are purposely misinforming us?

Perhaps you made a mistake and misunderstood the terms of what kind of bonus you were getting, how much, and what the wagering requirements were. I'm too lazy to go back and look for Mickey's post and what you said, but I am sure there is a flaw in the information given for him to calculate the value of what you actually got

There's a part of these online bonuses and sports books that you have yet to talk about, and I find that a little odd. What you have said is just some very vanilla simple "I got a Bonus for this much, with x wagering requirements, Im betting x and I made this much. It's all just the basic how-to that one can read online.

You can see some of the details that I put above and my response to Mickey.

I guess it's kind of hard to dispute anything if someone comes back and says they changed details or kept details out to throw everybody off the scent to protect themselves or what they were doing.

Dude, I am not going to keep rehashing this same shit from last September. I am not even getting the same bonuses and rollovers anymore.

YES, for the 10th time, I did get some pretty amazing terms at a couple books I had used for several years and had a losing record as a recreational gambler at. One of them was 4x rollover. THAT brough the average of the others down as well. The conditions and terms were so good, that having decided to really get into the bonus game, it would have been difficult NOT to have made good money those first couple cycles. Would have had to run extremely bad. Now....getting a little harder.

Why are you pressing me for numbers like I got this amount bonus, this amount rollover, bet this amount and won this?

When have you ever given us that kind of specific information about anything you have ever done?

Meanwhile I have given specifics like that about everything I have done (card counting) my whole existence on this boards, and all I ever got in return was grief. People claiming I was bragging and this and that. I am done with THAT shit!

Yes, I have in the past I'm sure it's buried somewhere within my thousands of posts.

Here's the thing, if I do say something, especially if I give numbers like how much I made and how. I'm damn well willing to show proof or I have witnesses, records, etc that can at least attest to the situation, rules, the potential EV, the fact that I was there playing it, and money made/lost, etc.

In your situation, you opened the book(no pun intended) and offered many of the details. I do not believe that you got $20,000 in sports bonuses online with an average of 5.4 -6 wagering requirements, I believe you're highly mistaken.

[soxfan]

Bbbbbwwwaaahhh, the kewl-J always get his-self in troubles when he try to flesh out his bulls-shits narrative and provide details specific, hey hey.

[MDawg]

In your situation, you opened the book(no pun intended) and offered many of the details. I do not believe that you got $20,000 in sports bonuses online with an average of 5.4 -6 wagering requirements, I believe you're highly mistaken.

Are you suggesting that UNKewlJ LIED?

[coach belly]

I believe you're highly mistaken.

Yeah, yeah...mistaken...that's the ticket.

[kewlJ]

Here's the thing, if I do say something, especially if I give numbers like how much I made and how. I'm damn well willing to show proof or I have witnesses, records, etc that can at least attest to the situation, rules, the potential EV, the fact that I was there playing it, and money made/lost, etc.

You do? Can't say I remember any of that. But if you do, can I ask WHY?

Why would you feel you need to prove anything like that as if you are on trial? If that is the standard, it is no wonder so few AP's share anything.

I am sorry to repeat myself, but it isn't necessary for you, me, or any AP to prove anything they decide they want to share. Anyone with half a brain, should be able to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking.

But you do what you feel you need to do.

[AxelWolf]

I for sure didn't call you a liar, but I certainly doubted you got an average of 5.4-.6 wagering requirements for the amount of money you were talking about. Mickey did some calculations with the information you provided, you didn't dispute it, you basically confined it.

One might ask... how I be doubting you without calling you a liar or believing that you are purposely misinforming us?

Perhaps you made a mistake and misunderstood the terms of what kind of bonus you were getting, how much, and what the wagering requirements were. I'm too lazy to go back and look for Mickey's post and what you said, but I am sure there is a flaw in the information given for him to calculate the value of what you actually got

There's a part of these online bonuses and sports books that you have yet to talk about, and I find that a little odd. What you have said is just some very vanilla simple "I got a Bonus for this much, with x wagering requirements, Im betting x and I made this much. It's all just the basic how-to that one can read online.

You can see some of the details that I put above and my response to Mickey.

I guess it's kind of hard to dispute anything if someone comes back and says they changed details or kept details out to throw everybody off the scent to protect themselves or what they were doing.

Dude, I am not going to keep rehashing this same shit from last September. I am not even getting the same bonuses and rollovers anymore.

YES, for the 10th time, I did get some pretty amazing terms at a couple books I had used for several years and had a losing record as a recreational gambler at. One of them was 4x rollover. THAT brough the average of the others down as well. The conditions and terms were so good, that having decided to really get into the bonus game, it would have been difficult NOT to have made good money those first couple cycles. Would have had to run extremely bad. Now....getting a little harder.

Why are you pressing me for numbers like I got this amount bonus, this amount rollover, bet this amount and won this?

When have you ever given us that kind of specific information about anything you have ever done?

Meanwhile I have given specifics like that about everything I have done (card counting) my whole existence on this boards, and all I ever got in return was grief. People claiming I was bragging and this and that. I am done with THAT shit!

Okay I don't even want a specific example of exactly what you did. Let's take what you actually did out of the equation.

Give me an example of a known popular sports book online that's offering a bonus. Let's take BetUs for example. Now please let me know what their first deposit bonuse is worth flipping coins. And then explain what you can get that down to percentage wise and what it's worth.

[MDawg]

Really, it doesn't go much further than that anyone who claims to value anonymity so much wouldn't be so desperate to prove himself online, and yet also be unable to provide a shred of backup for anything he has had to say. Those conflicting values add up to a complete phony.

[kewlJ]

I don't bet with BetUS. Last I looked there was a pretty good fee for withdrawals. Maybe that has changed or there is something special there now.

Look, I am not claiming to know all the sportsbooks and ins and outs of what each offers like you do. I already said, that is part of my problem as far as expanding. I don't know if I want to invest THAT much time and effort into it.

I really thought sportsbetting for me would be a supplemental things, replacing the mailer offers I did for years. Maybe 20-25% of my earnings. But for the last 15 months it has been way more. Over 60% of everything I have earned and that includes my regular blackjack play (which I play a bit less now) and the electronic blackjack play we chased this spring.

I didn't think I was in this sportsbetting for the long term. Still deciding what will be going forward. If you want to pass any info on sportsbooks I might consider, I am happy to open your PMs. Oh and to date, I don't use bitcoin. Just never got into it. THAT might have to change if I am going to push further forward.

[MDawg]

The UNKewl sportsbetting fables are fresh, and hence, contradictory. Obviously he "studied up" for some time before he even claimed he was betting...but also obviously, not long enough!

[kewlJ]

The UNKewl sportsbetting fables are fresh, and hence, contradictory. Obviously he "studied up" for some time before he even claimed he was betting...but also obviously, not long enough!

Why is this sandNig who knows nothing about sports of any kind except camel racing injecting himself into yet another topic he has no clue about.

Stay in your own lane Mdawg. Or roped off section of the desert or however they do it for camels.

[AxelWolf]

I don't bet with BetUS. Last I looked there was a pretty good fee for withdrawals. Maybe that has changed or there is something special there now.

Look, I am not claiming to know all the sportsbooks and ins and outs of what each offers like you do. I already said, that is part of my problem as far as expanding. I don't know if I want to invest THAT much time and effort into it.

I really thought sportsbetting for me would be a supplemental things, replacing the mailer offers I did for years. Maybe 20-25% of my earnings. But for the last 15 months it has been way more. Over 60% of everything I have earned and that includes my regular blackjack play (which I play a bit less now) and the electronic blackjack play we chased this spring.

I didn't think I was in this sportsbetting for the long term. Still deciding what will be going forward. If you want to pass any info on sportsbooks I might consider, I am happy to open your PMs. Oh and to date, I don't use bitcoin. Just never got into it. THAT might have to change if I am going to push further forward.

Ok not BetUs. Let's do Jazz, or MyBookie, or Betonline, any of the ones you played at. I dont care just tell me what book you want to calculate the edge on given their first deposit bonuses. You had said previously you only did known reputable sports books online.

[AxelWolf]

Here's the thing, if I do say something, especially if I give numbers like how much I made and how. I'm damn well willing to show proof or I have witnesses, records, etc that can at least attest to the situation, rules, the potential EV, the fact that I was there playing it, and money made/lost, etc.

You do? Can't say I remember any of that. But if you do, can I ask WHY?

Why would you feel you need to prove anything like that as if you are on trial? If that is the standard, it is no wonder so few AP's share anything.

I am sorry to repeat myself, but it isn't necessary for you, me, or any AP to prove anything they decide they want to share. Anyone with half a brain, should be able to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking.

But you do what you feel you need to do.

Yes, there have been times where I have met someone for the first time through someone else and they wanted to confirm certain aspects before doing business on a play.

It highly depend on the situation. The who, and the why someone was questioning me. If it was someone who I felt was just trying to troll me they, can put their money where their mouth is and we can go from there. Obviously, there are some things that are not 100% provable.

I'm saying I could and I would if it came down to it.

Given your cirumstances, there have been many "it came down to it" momnets. I mean look at someone like MaxPen who used to be your number one fan.

[MDawg]

Given your cirumstances, there have been many "it came down to it" momnets. I mean look at someone like MaxPen who used to be your number one fan.

Given your density UNKewlJ, I mean who CAN'T even remember whether he spent 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4 years in college, what Wolf is saying is that...the more one gets to know UNKewlJ, the more certain it becomes that he is a worthless lying sack of dog cal.

Very well written summary, MDawg.

I enjoyed it.

I like how MaxPen called it kewlJ's "Newell moment". Hilarious.

kewlJ has also been caught in a lot of lies over time, both on this forum and elsewhere. Therefore, it is unclear if he really makes much (or anything) playing blackjack these days.

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells.

[smurgerburger]

At some point you will realize you're dealing with a compulsive liar.

[AxelWolf]

Given your density UNKewlJ, I mean who CAN'T even remember whether he spent 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4 years in college, what Wolf is saying is that...the more one gets to know UNKewlJ, the more certain it becomes that he is a worthless lying sack of dog cal.

kewlJ has also been caught in a lot of lies over time, both on this forum and elsewhere. Therefore, it is unclear if he really makes much (or anything) playing blackjack these days.

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells.

If you're going to quote Dandruff what he said about KJ and we are to believe that, please include what Dan said about you.

[MDawg]

As far as me, that was before he read all this,

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post173701

in more recent discussions he has admitted that he hasn't followed up on the evidence MDawg provided.

As far as you,

Axel, You are a dirty sleezeball nobody.
Nobody knows who you are either.
Mickeycrimm should be calling you the step and fetch it because that is what you are.
You're a scammer bro and you know it.
Get back to doing things like leaving a 4oak on a machine and claiming it over and over again while you claim to lose TITOs.
Get back to WOV.
How many Casinos have 86'd you because you are nothing but a Greedy Scambler??
Scamble on Fucker but stop acting like you are somebody.
Drink another Captain Morgan and tell us all how you scammed the Flush Attacks at Circus Circus again.
Using an 18 year old boy to accomplish your grift.
Sounds very kewlJ of you.

Has Axel ever once proved one single thing he ever claimed to have done or said on these forums? He’s made 10’s of thousands of posts for years claiming all this knowledge and AP expertise. He’s leaving 10’s of thousands of dollars behind forgetting about he even had it.

Has he ever once proved one single thing he ever said? Just one? I mean maybe put up something from 10 years ago that’s dead on arrival today. No one wants his tricky dickey moves. Just one?

This is the same person demanding proof from every other person that made a claim on these same forums. Has he ever put up a single bit of some type of proof? Just one?

I rest my case.

Have you lived in Vegas over 25 years?
Have you lived in the AP/Hustler Lifestyle for 35 years?
Do you know or know about the people in Vegas and how it really is in real life compared to Online BS?
Do you know just about everyone in this town or know people who know everyone in this town?
Have you guys actually worked over 10 years for a Casino in Vegas... I have!?

Axel is accusatory of anyone who claims to have done anything:


Axel is constantly trying to prove himself:


Axel is a low end VIDEO POKER hustler:


Axel is a phony:


Axel’s image is tarnished:


Axel is jealous:


Freddy doesn’t like you:

I don't like to badmouth anybody. But after reading this post, I see now that I am not alone in my opinions of axelwolf. Everyone held him in such high regards that I felt like I could blindly trust him. That was a mistake.

However in the end, I realize that I was just a piece of advantage that could easily be taken. That was the most important lesson that I learned.

I have personally witnessed axel forget very important details multiple times.

Axel drank a good amount of Captain Morgan and even fell asleep in my car.
I drove Axelwolf to a destination of his choice because he was fall down drunk and I have seen it for over 20 years in this city.

Axelwolf was drunk 80% of the time I worked with him. He used to have me order his drinks for him, so that he could have two drinks at the same time. Always captain morgan.

etc. etc.

[AxelWolf]

As far as me, that was before he read all this,

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post173701

in more recent discussions he has admitted that he hasn't followed up on the evidence MDawg provided.

As far as you,

Have you lived in Vegas over 25 years?
Have you lived in the AP/Hustler Lifestyle for 35 years?
Do you know or know about the people in Vegas and how it really is in real life compared to Online BS?
Do you know just about everyone in this town or know people who know everyone in this town?
Have you guys actually worked over 10 years for a Casino in Vegas... I have!?

Axel is accusatory of anyone who claims to have done anything:


Axel is constantly trying to prove himself:


Axel is a low end VIDEO POKER hustler:


Axel is a phony:


Axel’s image is tarnished:


Axel is jealous:


Freddy doesn’t like you:

I don't like to badmouth anybody. But after reading this post, I see now that I am not alone in my opinions of axelwolf. Everyone held him in such high regards that I felt like I could blindly trust him. That was a mistake.

However in the end, I realize that I was just a piece of advantage that could easily be taken. That was the most important lesson that I learned.

I have personally witnessed axel forget very important details multiple times.

Axel drank a good amount of Captain Morgan and even fell asleep in my car.
I drove Axelwolf to a destination of his choice because he was fall down drunk and I have seen it for over 20 years in this city.

Axelwolf was drunk 80% of the time I worked with him. He used to have me order his drinks for him, so that he could have two drinks at the same time. Always captain morgan.

etc. etc.

So we have one person who only briefly saw me once with a short discussion and met up with me another time and yet still wanted to do business with me and this is the same guy that contemplated robbing me and all it admits that he's a scammer and a con.
He said pretty bad things to say about anybody he's ever met from the forums.

We have another person who I have evidence is making shit up who owed me and others money. He disappeared for over a year or more before he ever said anything and used that all as a defense for shucking his responsibility to pay what he owed because he didn't have the money. He admitted he owed money and yet still disappeared for a year or more. And even if he had an issue with me what about the four or five other people he didn't pay?
I have somebody that will go on record that he lied about the deal that was made and he full well knew or what the deal was.
Yeah, there's way more to the story than you'll know and I guarantee you I'm righteous on this situation. I know for a fact that a recent fellow AP acquaintance of his stop dealing with him.

And please quote the part where he said that I taught him a lot. And let's not forget I have witnessess to him making shit up and saying shit that this was absolutely untrue. I offered to have arbitration and he refused to do so I will take a lie detector test as long as he will any time of the day whomever is caught lying pays. We both had a public discussion with many people listening and most people realized he was full of shit and making shit up. It was all a play to try to go on the attack and say face for him not it was all a play to try to go on the attack and say face for him not paying people money he owed for over a year and just disappeared and ghosted everybody. He need an excuse since he was coming back into the advantage play game to play ap he needed an excuse since he was coming back into the advantage play game to play ap slots and he didn't want to look bad.

And then we have another person who has never even met me.


So out of the hundreds of people I've done business with over the years, you have very few people and some very insignificant evidence of anything substantial.

[The Boz]

Speaking of Fat Fuck Monet check out his Smart Money thread for his day yesterday.

He went an improbable 0-9 on his Puck Line bets yesterday, with 7 losing straight up and 2 winning by a goal. Because of the nature of these lines you are going to lose more than you win (he doesn’t agree with that) but still going 0-9 is legendary stuff.

So here’s to you fat fuck, the Mission off Fremont has free Thanksgiving meals today but get there early after betting your parlays, I hear the line is getting long already. And sorry, only 1 meal per person.

[MDawg]

Wolf, getting back to UNKewlJ the evidence against him and his lying is ongoing and Dan Druff over time has posted stronger and stronger statements against him and his mendacious ways, as have we all. That's the difference, over time the more UNKewlJ tries to Explain His Position, the worse he looks.

Like I've said before, he should have kept his mouth shut, we would have thought he was a horse and let him through.

This poor fool could not make it clearer: HE IS THE MOST TORTURED SOUL IN THE HISTORY OF ONLINE CONCOCTIONISTS!

It's just way too funny watching nearly everybody everywhere laugh at and make fun of him for being a proven liar about his BS blackjack claims, and how so many successful people just bother the shit out of him.

If there's ever been anybody more incapable of trying and trying to change other people's opinions about himself, that person hasn't been born yet.

[mickeycrimm]

As far as me, that was before he read all this,

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...l=1#post173701

When you said you sometimes know what the first card off the deck will be....were you talking about some kind of intuition you have or were you talking about occasionally seeing an exposed card?