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  1. #2701
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post

    Yes, I played some bigger denomination stuff including Sports, blackjack (other table games), video poker Etc for small edges of .5-2% but. I always find myself much more interested in and attracted to higher percentage plays, who doesn't love short-term results with big percentages where you're almost guaranteed to win?. Of course, it always comes down to the type of volume I can get in and how quickly. I have no issue playing something with a 1% edge if I know I can get out 1000+ plays per hour.
    I am intrigued by your playing blackjack online.

    When I first started my bonus play last September, I looked at and even played a little bit of blackjack as a means to work through bonuses. Thought process was that .5% house advantage in a standard type blackjack game is far better than the 4.5% sportsbetting (vig) house advantage. But then I quickly discovered that some places blackjack and casino play doesn't count towards rollover and others it counts like 5%. So if play only counts 5% toward rollover, that is like playing at a 10% (20x) house advantage, making it twice as bad as reg sportsbetting vig.

    Additionally at several places I did just a little bit of blackjack play, I felt like it wasn't an honest game. Felt honest enough betting $5, $10 even $15 a hand, but any more than that, just seemed like dealer seemed to get more than 1 in 20 BJs and player far fewer. I didn't play enough to have a large enough sample size to make any kind of accusation, but I think with the 10s millions of rounds of blackjack I have played in my life, I have a good "gut" feeling when something doesn't feel right. Anyway with blackjack only counting 5% towards rollover, there was no reason for me to even look at it any further.

    So you feel comfortable that you are getting a fair game at blackjack and other online casino games?
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  2. #2702
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    FYI, I was interested in following Dan's picks, I asked Dan to explain some logic behind his picks and why he thought he had +EV, and he said he was going to wait until the next season and see how he does. I don't think Dan has ever explained why or how he's making his decisions. I think Dan's a very smart person and can probably beat sports for a small %, but before I start following someone's picks I want some logic behind it so I can make my decision if I think it's a good bet or not.
    You can go thru Druff's threads in the Sportsbetting section where he makes his picks going back to 2019, I think. He covered NFL, NCAAF, NBA, NHL. I went thru his threads once and determined he picked around 50%, except for the great run he had, I think it was last year in the NFL.
    Druff, let us know when you receive redietz’ credit score.

  3. #2703
    Things that make you think....hum. Here is the kind of thing I have noticed with online blackjack.

    When playing at a B & M casino, real dealer table game, you double your 11 vs dealer 10 or 10 vs dealer 9. These are basic strategy plays. Nothing special. You are hoping for a 10 value card to have the best chance of winning (or ace in the 10vs 9 double). So when you draw a 4 or 5 as your double down card, you are probably going to lose. BUT NOT ALWAYS. Every once in awhile you will draw a crap card, thinking all is lost and the dealer with turn over a bust card (4-6 or something and still bust. Not often, but every once in a while...you get lucky.

    I just never see this with the online games. You draw a 4 or 5 to your 10 or 11 as the doubledown card, you always lose. I never see the dealer draw bust card and break. Maybe it is small sample size or something, but I just NEVER see it.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  4. #2704
    Kew, you just don't get it. The more you post, the dumber and more of a phony you look.

    And you lied YET AGAIN about mdawg. Your claim that he has been "debunked" is your simpleton self making believe your scenario about him has been accepted as gospel truth by anyone reading how you want things to be.

    Remember, the more you write the longer your nose grows and larger your dunce cap gets.

    Better you go lick your "boyfriend's" hairy & smelly ass again than trying to pretend you know "how casinos work"!

  5. #2705
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Better you go lick your "boyfriend's" hairy & smelly ass again
    I have never engaged, nor had a desire to engage in that activity. There is exactly 1 person on this forum that frequently fantasized about it. Rob Singer.

    Please keep you sick and gross homosexual fantasies to yourself Rob.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

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    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    And you lied YET AGAIN about mdawg. Your claim that he has been "debunked" is your simpleton self making believe your scenario about him has been accepted as gospel truth by anyone reading how you want things to be.
    C'mon now Rob, you know that most if not all of the regular posters here have figured out the hound bullshits about his personal and his gambling life, just as we've been on to you and your tales..

    Not that you are bad people: you two are simply not good liars.
    What, Me Worry?

  7. #2707
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I don't trust that I'm good enough or motivated to beat Sports consistently long-term without getting something extra, unfortunately, there's not too much extra going on in Nevada with online Sports so I'm pretty much stuck with offshore joints taking advantage of juicy offers no matter where I live.
    Nevada is definitely not the market for extras. Some apps give about 0.1% in points, along with possibly some weak promos or boosts. I've never seen a reload.

    The good news: vigs are often reasonable imo. Circa is pretty good in that aspect, and it offers both yes and no on some prop bets.

    Nevada is obscure. Odds monitoring sites such as Unabated may not even support the Nevada-only apps. This is not entirely good or bad, but it's different.

    Hey, I just bet on Caleb Martin (rebounds), and earlier I bet Cody Martin (points). They're twins! The good kind.
    I don't need or really even want the $$$ (I have way, way more than enough and I don't hunger for material possessions)

  8. #2708
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I believe you're highly mistaken.
    Yeah, yeah...mistaken...that's the ticket.

    Damnit, I could have written that.

    Note: About halfway, he reports that he did kill himself. Remind you of anyone?

    Last edited by redietz; 11-30-2024 at 05:58 PM.

  9. #2709
    Originally Posted by Don Perignom View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I don't trust that I'm good enough or motivated to beat Sports consistently long-term without getting something extra, unfortunately, there's not too much extra going on in Nevada with online Sports so I'm pretty much stuck with offshore joints taking advantage of juicy offers no matter where I live.
    Nevada is definitely not the market for extras. Some apps give about 0.1% in points, along with possibly some weak promos or boosts. I've never seen a reload.

    The good news: vigs are often reasonable imo. Circa is pretty good in that aspect, and it offers both yes and no on some prop bets.

    Nevada is obscure. Odds monitoring sites such as Unabated may not even support the Nevada-only apps. This is not entirely good or bad, but it's different.

    Hey, I just bet on Caleb Martin (rebounds), and earlier I bet Cody Martin (points). They're twins! The good kind.
    I keep meaning to set up an account, it's been on my to-do list for a very long time I've touted it to others who I believe have. In the past, I knew you could probably make perhaps 100 or so a day using that program. For me, I think I can spend my time working on better value situations.

  10. #2710
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    In your situation, you opened the book(no pun intended) and offered many of the details. I do not believe that you got $20,000 in sports bonuses online with an average of 5.4 -6 wagering requirements, I believe you're highly mistaken.
    Are you suggesting that UNKewlJ LIED?
    NOPE! I'm thinking he misunderstood something or there are unknown details. For example. Get a 300% bonus up to 5k(with management approval) 12x roll.

    ME: "Sounds good to me... Let me reconfirm, if I deposit 5k you'll give me 15k on top of my 5k, and ill have a total of 20k in my account with a 12x roll on deposit +Bonus?"

    Host: No sir, we will match your deposit of 5k leaving you with a total of in your account."

    ME: Ummm..... You just said it was $300% which sounds like 100% according to my math.

    Host: "Yes Axel, its 100% three times that = 300%"

    *FACE PALM*

    Had I not reconfirmed and just made a deposit expecting it was 300% and everything was good I would have only been getting a hundred percent bonus with 12 times roll.

  11. #2711
    Nobody is "mis-remembering" anything, Axelwolf.

    How about this?

    Player A walks into a B&M casino, he has never played before. Signs up for a player's card and puts through $40, 000 playing video poker.

    Player B walks into the same casino puts through the same $40,000, playing the same video poker, just as he has every month for the last 4 years. Over that 4 years he has shown a consistent loss doing so.

    When the mailers go out next month or the month after that, will both players receive the exact same amount of free play, and other offers? Or will the guy with a 4 year history of playing and losing receive better?

    Now move the scenario to off shore sports books. Why would you think some player who has shown and booked a loss for years, not receive and be able to negotiate a better bonus that the standard that books offers as part of their general promotion?

    Seriously, you KNOW how both B&M and offshore work and do business. I had a track record for years at several sportsbooks as a losing player. Not betting huge amounts or anything, but a consistent recreational losing bettor. They had no reason to believe I would do anything other than lose, with the better offers they extended me. They had no reason to believe, I would pick that moment in time to start bonus whoring them?

    And that is all that occurred. I was able to use several years history as a losing recreational bettor, to secure better bonuses and terms (rollover) than I otherwise could have at a couple sportsbooks, for the first couple cycles. I don't know why you of all people, who understand or should understand how bonuses work, are having such a problem with it.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  12. #2712
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post

    Yes, I played some bigger denomination stuff including Sports, blackjack (other table games), video poker Etc for small edges of .5-2% but. I always find myself much more interested in and attracted to higher percentage plays, who doesn't love short-term results with big percentages where you're almost guaranteed to win?. Of course, it always comes down to the type of volume I can get in and how quickly. I have no issue playing something with a 1% edge if I know I can get out 1000+ plays per hour.
    I am intrigued by your playing blackjack online.

    When I first started my bonus play last September, I looked at and even played a little bit of blackjack as a means to work through bonuses. Thought process was that .5% house advantage in a standard type blackjack game is far better than the 4.5% sportsbetting (vig) house advantage. But then I quickly discovered that some places blackjack and casino play doesn't count towards rollover and others it counts like 5%. So if play only counts 5% toward rollover, that is like playing at a 10% (20x) house advantage, making it twice as bad as reg sportsbetting vig.

    Additionally at several places I did just a little bit of blackjack play, I felt like it wasn't an honest game. Felt honest enough betting $5, $10 even $15 a hand, but any more than that, just seemed like dealer seemed to get more than 1 in 20 BJs and player far fewer. I didn't play enough to have a large enough sample size to make any kind of accusation, but I think with the 10s millions of rounds of blackjack I have played in my life, I have a good "gut" feeling when something doesn't feel right. Anyway with blackjack only counting 5% towards rollover, there was no reason for me to even look at it any further.

    So you feel comfortable that you are getting a fair game at blackjack and other online casino games?
    That's a complicated question. First off we have to separate live play from digital Play. Let's take Digital Blackjack Play, my short answer is, NO IT IS GAFFED. One of my nicer casino run-ups was on full pay Deuces Wild sometime in the late 90s and what took me down was a .5 advantage betting black on blackjack. My standard deviation was way off the charts, Lesson learned. Oh, I did very well on the blackjack betting small, it wasn't until I started betting large that it went into take-down mode.

    Fast forward, I wrote about this over on Wizard of Vegas. This was around 2009-20011, I noticed that betting small (a few dollars)on Bovada almost guaranteed you a few hundred dollar win. I had experienced this multiple times. However, anytime I went from white to Green, I got slammed. I kept trying to tell myself it was nothing but confirmation bias, however it just seemed too hinky.

    I Hazard to guess, I had some of my longest-losing hands in-a row-streaks in this situation. I was chasing a Blackjack promotion that seemed good on paper. There were other promotions on Bovada that were fairly good. I brought somebody in on the deal.

    I didn't tell him exactly what I thought about the Blackjack, I just asked them to play Blackjack in between the promotions and to take note. They came to the exact same conclusion I did. As it turns out I was discussing online blackjack with Romes and he told me a similar story about Bovada. There's way more to it than that, but that's the basics.

    FYI there are quite a few complaints about Bovada's Blackjack being gaffed that Mike wanted some testing done. I was willing to do that, however, he wanted me to bet small and keep track of certain things. I told him I would. but I didn't think that was the proper test and I was confident I was going to win. Sure enough, I did, and everything seems legit(well. I knew it wasn't).

    The only way someone could do a proper test was to make small bets and then jump up to large bets and keep track of how many large ones you lost.

    Bovada has been caught red-handed using bunk slots with impossible-to-hit Progressive jackpots. I remember calling someone out on The Wizard of Vegas for claiming he hit one of their Progressive jackpots, because if he was correct that fucked up my tracking since I was certain there was something hinky going on and I was sure that shit never hit. It turns out he was
    in fact lying since a collective effort was made to collaborate their jackpot cycle was gaffed(there is more to it).

    I would say a large majority are gaffed in some way or the other when it comes to digital blackjack. So why in God's name would I ever play digital Blackjack online? One just needs to make sure whatever bonus or promotion being offered has a higher return than they could possibly gaff the Blackjack for without being significantly obvious.

    I think it's much less likely they are gaffing the live play, but I wouldn't be willing to play for anything serious unless I had a significant advantage. There's some pretty good evidence they have been caught cheating from time to time.

    And remember, if something's gaffed, that means it's not random therefore there may be ways to take advantage of that if you pay attention.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 11-30-2024 at 07:22 PM.

  13. #2713
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Nobody is "mis-remembering" anything, Axelwolf.

    How about this?

    Player A walks into a B&M casino, he has never played before. Signs up for a player's card and puts through $40, 000 playing video poker.

    Player B walks into the same casino puts through the same $40,000, playing the same video poker, just as he has every month for the last 4 years. Over that 4 years he has shown a consistent loss doing so.

    When the mailers go out next month or the month after that, will both players receive the exact same amount of free play, and other offers? Or will the guy with a 4 year history of playing and losing receive better?

    Now move the scenario to off shore sports books. Why would you think some player who has shown and booked a loss for years, not receive and be able to negotiate a better bonus that the standard that books offers as part of their general promotion?

    Seriously, you KNOW how both B&M and offshore work and do business. I had a track record for years at several sportsbooks as a losing player. Not betting huge amounts or anything, but a consistent recreational losing bettor. They had no reason to believe I would do anything other than lose, with the better offers they extended me. They had no reason to believe, I would pick that moment in time to start bonus whoring them?

    And that is all that occurred. I was able to use several years history as a losing recreational bettor, to secure better bonuses and terms (rollover) than I otherwise could have at a couple sportsbooks, for the first couple cycles. I don't know why you of all people, who understand or should understand how bonuses work, are having such a problem with it.
    What I understand is you originally said you were a small-time recreational sports bettor, and you had only been playing online for a short period of time. You never risked, lost/won that much. I believe you said you were a small loser as it was one of your entertainment minus EV things you did.

    Please go back and read what you wrote and let's confirm that one way or another before we can move on.

  14. #2714
    FYI. You quoted me as saying mis-remembering when in fact I said, "misunderstood"

  15. #2715
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    And you lied YET AGAIN about mdawg. Your claim that he has been "debunked" is your simpleton self making believe your scenario about him has been accepted as gospel truth by anyone reading how you want things to be.
    Just for the fun of it, the pure entertainment, lets talk about your new buddy Mdawg. Years ago when Mdawg first started posting his silly claims, YOU Rob Singer were one of the first to call him out, calling him a fraud, another "California flake". Said something about "at least this one comes with pictures". Part of your reasoning was because he had said somethings about tipping in other parts of the world that went against the culture in those countries....you know...weren't the way things actually worked.

    Any of that ring a bell Rob? So let me ask you, were you wrong? or did you lie? Or has his years of posting claims that go against how things actually work in the casino industry, somehow convinced you he is telling the truth? Or perhaps there is a 4th option, you are now going to pretend to believe him because I don't. Umm....no need to answer. I think everyone knows the answer to that one.

    Since we are into the Mdawg discussion, lets keep going, purely for entertainment reasons....like you go to the circus to see the cloens.

    Since arriving in Vegas 10 days ago, drawn by the failed F1 race (like a tourist), Mdawg has posted 5 gambling reports. Winning days of $400, $40,000, $108,000, $13,000, and $9400. If my math is right that would be $170,800 in 5 days or sessions of play. Wow, that is a good story. I don't believe him. Not because it isn't possible. Of course it is. But when you add it to the past 5 years of all the winning claims, totaling millions of dollars, the casino is not going to allow the person or any person to keep winning these amounts, whether they know what he might be doing or not!!!!!.

    So I guess what I am concluding is the guy has some need for attention. Some element of narcissism to him. lets see if there is anything to back that up. Yesterday was black Friday, as you may have heard. I don't know why people physiically go out shopping anymore on black Friday, but they do. Habit Maybe.

    So our hero, Mdawg made his way to the Vegas Premium outlets of all places where he scooped up some deals on some Ralph Lauren shirts and items. And he posted pictures of his clothing score.....right there in his gambling thread on a gambling forum. Surpisingly.....NOT, there was little comment from the peanut gallery membership at WOv, just the same as there is little comment anymore about his ridiculous gambling claims.

    But one has to wonder...what kind of insecure person is posting pictures of designer shirts in a gambling thread on a gambling forum? Seems almost like a new level of trying to impress strangers on the internet. A new level of narcissism.

    I am not even sure a Rob Singer would do that. Although the Newell pictures say he might (and did).

    Anyway, thanks for the good entertainment.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  16. #2716
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Nobody is "mis-remembering" anything, Axelwolf.

    How about this?

    Player A walks into a B&M casino, he has never played before. Signs up for a player's card and puts through $40, 000 playing video poker.

    Player B walks into the same casino puts through the same $40,000, playing the same video poker, just as he has every month for the last 4 years. Over that 4 years he has shown a consistent loss doing so.

    When the mailers go out next month or the month after that, will both players receive the exact same amount of free play, and other offers? Or will the guy with a 4 year history of playing and losing receive better?

    Now move the scenario to off shore sports books. Why would you think some player who has shown and booked a loss for years, not receive and be able to negotiate a better bonus that the standard that books offers as part of their general promotion?

    Seriously, you KNOW how both B&M and offshore work and do business. I had a track record for years at several sportsbooks as a losing player. Not betting huge amounts or anything, but a consistent recreational losing bettor. They had no reason to believe I would do anything other than lose, with the better offers they extended me. They had no reason to believe, I would pick that moment in time to start bonus whoring them?

    And that is all that occurred. I was able to use several years history as a losing recreational bettor, to secure better bonuses and terms (rollover) than I otherwise could have at a couple sportsbooks, for the first couple cycles. I don't know why you of all people, who understand or should understand how bonuses work, are having such a problem with it.
    You are far more wrong than you would ever guess. You just think you know how it works due to some simplistic model you conjured up in an attempt to come across as clueful.

  17. #2717
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    FYI. You quoted me as saying mis-remembering when in fact I said, "misunderstood"
    Axelwolf, what do you think I misunderstood? What the real value of a bonus was (half face value). Come on, I learned that years ago, just like I learned the real value of Matchplay's and free play bets were half face value.

    .
    When I joined my first blackjack forum I was in my mid 20's. Everyone and I mean everyone was older than me, most by 30, 40, 50 years. they treated me like a kid. One guy, Zengrifter kept calling me young whipper-snapper. Another well known card counter/AP called me (several times) a salamander. Ok fine.

    I am now in my 40's. I have been at advantage play, for 21 years. I may not know everything you know, Axelwolf, or all the advanced stuff that you and others know and do, but don't make me out to be an idiot either.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  18. #2718
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post

    Yes, I played some bigger denomination stuff including Sports, blackjack (other table games), video poker Etc for small edges of .5-2% but. I always find myself much more interested in and attracted to higher percentage plays, who doesn't love short-term results with big percentages where you're almost guaranteed to win?. Of course, it always comes down to the type of volume I can get in and how quickly. I have no issue playing something with a 1% edge if I know I can get out 1000+ plays per hour.
    I am intrigued by your playing blackjack online.

    When I first started my bonus play last September, I looked at and even played a little bit of blackjack as a means to work through bonuses. Thought process was that .5% house advantage in a standard type blackjack game is far better than the 4.5% sportsbetting (vig) house advantage. But then I quickly discovered that some places blackjack and casino play doesn't count towards rollover and others it counts like 5%. So if play only counts 5% toward rollover, that is like playing at a 10% (20x) house advantage, making it twice as bad as reg sportsbetting vig.

    Additionally at several places I did just a little bit of blackjack play, I felt like it wasn't an honest game. Felt honest enough betting $5, $10 even $15 a hand, but any more than that, just seemed like dealer seemed to get more than 1 in 20 BJs and player far fewer. I didn't play enough to have a large enough sample size to make any kind of accusation, but I think with the 10s millions of rounds of blackjack I have played in my life, I have a good "gut" feeling when something doesn't feel right. Anyway with blackjack only counting 5% towards rollover, there was no reason for me to even look at it any further.

    So you feel comfortable that you are getting a fair game at blackjack and other online casino games?
    That's a complicated question. First off we have to separate live play from digital Play. Let's take Digital Blackjack Play, my short answer is, NO IT IS GAFFED. One of my nicer casino run-ups was on full pay Deuces Wild sometime in the late 90s and what took me down was a .5 advantage betting black on blackjack. My standard deviation was way off the charts, Lesson learned. Oh, I did very well on the blackjack betting small, it wasn't until I started betting large that it went into take-down mode.

    Fast forward, I wrote about this over on Wizard of Vegas. This was around 2009-20011, I noticed that betting small (a few dollars)on Bovada almost guaranteed you a few hundred dollar win. I had experienced this multiple times. However, anytime I went from white to Green, I got slammed. I kept trying to tell myself it was nothing but confirmation bias, however it just seemed too hinky.

    I Hazard to guess, I had some of my longest-losing hands in-a row-streaks in this situation. I was chasing a Blackjack promotion that seemed good on paper. There were other promotions on Bovada that were fairly good. I brought somebody in on the deal.

    I didn't tell him exactly what I thought about the Blackjack, I just asked them to play Blackjack in between the promotions and to take note. They came to the exact same conclusion I did. As it turns out I was discussing online blackjack with Romes and he told me a similar story about Bovada. There's way more to it than that, but that's the basics.

    FYI there are quite a few complaints about Bovada's Blackjack being gaffed that Mike wanted some testing done. I was willing to do that, however, he wanted me to bet small and keep track of certain things. I told him I would. but I didn't think that was the proper test and I was confident I was going to win. Sure enough, I did, and everything seems legit(well. I knew it wasn't).

    The only way someone could do a proper test was to make small bets and then jump up to large bets and keep track of how many large ones you lost.

    Bovada has been caught red-handed using bunk slots with impossible-to-hit Progressive jackpots. I remember calling someone out on The Wizard of Vegas for claiming he hit one of their Progressive jackpots, because if he was correct that fucked up my tracking since I was certain there was something hinky going on and I was sure that shit never hit. It turns out he was
    in fact lying since a collective effort was made to collaborate their jackpot cycle was gaffed(there is more to it).

    I would say a large majority are gaffed in some way or the other when it comes to digital blackjack. So why in God's name would I ever play digital Blackjack online? One just needs to make sure whatever bonus or promotion being offered has a higher return than they could possibly gaff the Blackjack for without being significantly obvious.

    I think it's much less likely they are gaffing the live play, but I wouldn't be willing to play for anything serious unless I had a significant advantage. There's some pretty good evidence they have been caught cheating from time to time.

    And remember, if something's gaffed, that means it's not random therefore there may be ways to take advantage of that if you pay attention.
    Thank you for taking the time to share that. My experience wasn't at Bodava, but was more or less the same exact experience for the small sample size I played. Could win, betting $3, $5 $10, even up to $15. Once I was betting $20 or $25 I would lose and it wasn't just the losing. I lose all the time playing blackjack (even with an advantage), unlike some other posters on this and other forums. The game had a different feel, a different vibe between $3 / $5 and $20. It just did.

    And I am talking digital. I have only played the live dealer BJ couple times probably for about 20 minutes total. My problem with that is several different things. One too shallow penetration for any kind of real advantage card counting. Also the game moves painfully slow. And most importantly, If I have suspicions they are cheating with the electronic games, and I do, why would I trust the live dealers games? I have no way of knowing if those decks aren't short some cards that would push what looks like a .5% advantage to about 3-5% house advantage. With B&M casinos if you really feel that way, you can sit there and watch them spread the cards and check. there are no such checks in these online games.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  19. #2719
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    In the past, I knew you could probably make perhaps 100 or so a day using that program.
    In one of the fully sports-legal states, yes I think 100+ would be attainable using free information resources. Some days are easier than others. Mondays during summer can be pretty slow.

    For most people of aptitude, it's probably best suited as a side hustle, focusing on optimal days and times when action is plentiful. As a full-time endeavor, oppressive restrictions are probably inevitable -- and then, alternate identities are required to stay in action.

    I rate Nevada as more difficult because of the lackluster marketing.

    Not surprisingly, I think you have a good assessment of the situation. You probably don't enjoy sitting hours in front of multiple computer screens. I'm inclined to do it anyway because of my financial market activities, so sports fits in for me the way I do it.
    I don't need or really even want the $$$ (I have way, way more than enough and I don't hunger for material possessions)

  20. #2720
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    FYI. You quoted me as saying mis-remembering when in fact I said, "misunderstood"
    Axelwolf, what do you think I misunderstood? What the real value of a bonus was (half face value). Come on, I learned that years ago, just like I learned the real value of Matchplay's and free play bets were half face value.

    .
    When I joined my first blackjack forum I was in my mid 20's. Everyone and I mean everyone was older than me, most by 30, 40, 50 years. they treated me like a kid. One guy, Zengrifter kept calling me young whipper-snapper. Another well known card counter/AP called me (several times) a salamander. Ok fine.

    I am now in my 40's. I have been at advantage play, for 21 years. I may not know everything you know, Axelwolf, or all the advanced stuff that you and others know and do, but don't make me out to be an idiot either.
    If that is the case, that it is only worth half of the face value then the calculations you and Mickey did were inaccurate in relation to your stated bonuses, rollover, and worth. No? Does anyone have a link to where that was discussed? From my understanding, the calculations were done on face value minus the vig on the rollover. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

    And im not in agreement that it's only worth half the value, that's what you just said.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 12-01-2024 at 01:23 AM.

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