Professional Sportsbetting

[mickeycrimm]

And then you have the multi-account bonus attempts, and people shocked, shocked I tell you, when sports books figure them out and shut them down and occasionally keep their money.

And let's not forget my disdain for people recruiting family and friends so those family/friends can provide charity sign-up bonuses for the "APs," which is a helluva way to treat family and friends. Here's a thought -- spend an hour showing people how to get their own sign-up bonuses.

When you appear on Life Is A Gamble you can explain to Munchkin how he is going wrong by multi-accounting.

And good luck finding any of your "family and friends" with bankrolls big enough to exploit the situation for any real money.

[accountinquestion]

The whole idea of telling some random family person to pony up 1 to 5k for 40% onetime EV. Those who understand these things don't need the money. Those who don't understand won't want to do it. Those who will take the plunge most likely don't have the money.

But according to redietz you'll be fucking over all the above.

It just goes to show and as Singer will agree - this mother fucker is from Mars.

Just weird

[smurgerburger]

This ^^^^

Putting up $5k for a coin flip with 100% loss rebate (that you still have to gamble) is something that is obviously appealing to an AP but utterly unappealing to most normal people, assuming they even have $5k in the bank to risk.

It is not something people will jump at just because you explained the +EV to them.

Which reminds me of something... redietz have you checked on the status of those deposit bonuses that you so shrewdly decided to "save for a rainy day" because they would "always be available'?

(Ok I'm paraphrasing more than quoting.)

[Don Perignom]

Off topic, who are the major operators servicing the US market from offshore?

Preliminary ranking:

Bovada.lv - licensed Comoros
Betonline.ag - located Panama (owns Sportsbetting.ag)
Betus.com.pa - licensed Comoros
Mybookie.ag - operated/administered Curacao
Bookmaker.eu - licensed Costa Rica (owns Justbet.co)

Who am I missing?

[AxelWolf]

Off topic, who are the major operators servicing the US market from offshore?

Preliminary ranking:

Bovada.lv - licensed Comoros
Betonline.ag - located Panama (owns Sportsbetting.ag)
Betus.com.pa - licensed Comoros
Mybookie.ag - operated/administered Curacao
Bookmaker.eu - licensed Costa Rica (owns Justbet.co)

Who am I missing?

Jazz sports book and Jazz casino, Youwager, Everygame, Heritage.

You would have to define major operators. There are places like Xbet(perhaps a MyBookie skin) Wagerweb, Nitrobetting, Bet Now, Betwhale(They limit your cashouts to like $400 at a time, it's based on your "history"), and too many others to mention.

[AxelWolf]

The whole idea of telling some random family person to pony up 1 to 5k for 40% onetime EV. Those who understand these things don't need the money. Those who don't understand won't want to do it. Those who will take the plunge most likely don't have the money.

But according to redietz you'll be fucking over all the above.

It just goes to show and as Singer will agree - this mother fucker is from Mars.

Just weird

And if you bet it "correctly" to capture most of the EV you may now only have a 25% chance of winning.

[Don Perignom]

You would have to define major operators.

Sorry yes, that's tough because of limited information. I looked mainly at site traffic, which doesn't necessarily have a uniform measurement. And usually the information is paywalled, so I asked AI chatbots.

Sites you mentioned, according to ChatGPT:

Jazzports.ag - "relatively niche" traffic
Youwager.lv - <same>
Everygame.eu - "moderate to fair"
Heritagesports.eu - 250k visits per month

Compare that to Bovada.lv, with 23 million visits per month. And BetOnline.ag, between 5 & 10 million.

In the regulated US markets, two operators have achieved overwhelming dominance: DraftKings and FanDuel. I'm thinking offshore market shares may be similarly lopsided.

[Don Perignom]

There are places like Xbet(perhaps a MyBookie skin) Wagerweb, Nitrobetting, Bet Now, Betwhale

Yes thank you, Xbet.ag may be the biggest skin of a major operator. ChatGPT says 1.3m monthly visits. Licensed in Curacao, same as MyBookie.

Wagerweb.eu - "relatively modest presence"
Nitrobetting.eu - "niche but respected ... in crypto"
Betnow.eu - "relatively new", "Curacao"
Betwhale.ag - "launched August 2022", "not widely popular"

[AxelWolf]

There are places like Xbet(perhaps a MyBookie skin) Wagerweb, Nitrobetting, Bet Now, Betwhale

Yes thank you, Xbet.ag may be the biggest skin of a major operator. ChatGPT says 1.3m monthly visits. Licensed in Curacao, same as MyBookie.

Wagerweb.eu - "relatively modest presence"
Nitrobetting.eu - "niche but respected ... in crypto"
Betnow.eu - "relatively new", "Curacao"
Betwhale.ag - "launched August 2022", "not widely popular"

Bigbetbizz proceed with caution but my experience has been good.

[Don Perignom]

Bigbetbizz proceed with caution but my experience has been good.

Thanks. One thing concerning me about the industry is the lack of geographic diversification. Every operator in my top 5 is >95% US by site traffic. For whatever reasons, other countries are served by different operators. (Bet 365 is possibly the biggest for Europe and the non-US Americas.)

If it ever happens that the offshores are somehow prohibited from the US, it could be fatal to them. I don't suppose it's likely. As you noted, crypto has been beneficial to their operations. But you never know what Trump will come with if a lobbyist gets to him, and Republicans are not typically gambling friendly.

[kewlJ]

But you never know what Trump will come with if a lobbyist gets to him, and Republicans are not typically gambling friendly.

Trump has several supporters with deep pockets from the B & M casino industry like the Adelson Lady and Wynn. If they were to decide and make it a priority that the offshores were hurting their business, I could see them influencing Trump to try to shut down or make it harder for US players to play at the offshores.

[MDawg]

So I bid you farewell.

Not someone in control of even his own life.

Is this like the 10th time you've announced you're leaving? Why are you still here?

[AxelWolf]

But you never know what Trump will come with if a lobbyist gets to him, and Republicans are not typically gambling friendly.

Trump has several supporters with deep pockets from the B & M casino industry like the Adelson Lady and Wynn. If they were to decide and make it a priority that the offshores were hurting their business, I could see them influencing Trump to try to shut down or make it harder for US players to play at the offshores.

I will move to Canada if something like that happens. I was actually thinking about buying land in CA but the little research I did at the time seemed to indicate there was a moratorium on non CA citizens buying land there.

I found a few places that were on the boarder that I was interested in..

[kewlJ]

But you never know what Trump will come with if a lobbyist gets to him, and Republicans are not typically gambling friendly.

Trump has several supporters with deep pockets from the B & M casino industry like the Adelson Lady and Wynn. If they were to decide and make it a priority that the offshores were hurting their business, I could see them influencing Trump to try to shut down or make it harder for US players to play at the offshores.

I will move to Canada of something like that happens. I was actually thinking about buying land in CA but the little research I did at the time seemed to indicate there was a moratorium on non CA citizens buying land there.

I found a few places that were on the boarder that I was interested in..

It sounds like you just want to go off the grid and live a life of Grizzly Adams. fishing and stuff.

Have you thought about Alaska? Might have stopped, but it used to be the Government gave people land to settle there. Plus they have that thing where every citizen gets a check for like $3000 every year from oil profits.

Of course you have the -20 degree winters. And if you go far enough north it is like 6 months of day light, 6 months of darkness.

[MDawg]

It sucks to be kewl it sucks to be lied to by some weirdo catfish.

[Keystone]

It sucks to be kewl it sucks to be lied to by some weirdo catfish.

Hey retard. Do you have a KJ alarm that alerts you every time he posts? Get a f’n life loser

[kewlJ]

It sucks to be kewl it sucks to be lied to by some weirdo catfish.

shush sand nigger.

[MDawg]

Unfortunately, you change/insert major details, and then end up claiming things which sound unlikely/impossible, which then leads to people putting in the work to disprove it, which then leads to you first acting outraged for being questioned, and then ultimately admitting you fibbed.

It's been the same song for years. Nobody else seems to have this issue on these gambling/AP forums. Ever wonder why?

At some point you will realize you're dealing with a compulsive liar.

[AxelWolf]

Unfortunately, you change/insert major details, and then end up claiming things which sound unlikely/impossible, which then leads to people putting in the work to disprove it, which then leads to you first acting outraged for being questioned, and then ultimately admitting you fibbed.

It's been the same song for years. Nobody else seems to have this issue on these gambling/AP forums. Ever wonder why?

At some point you will realize you're dealing with a compulsive liar.

So Dan Druff doesn't believe either of you.

GG GB.

[MDawg]

As far as I know, the Wizard verified session was a couple hours longer than anyone in the history of these forums has ever allowed himself to be witnessed before.

Dan the Dandruff Man posted his opinion of MDawg prior to his witnessed play and prior to reviewing all the evidence and has since revised, whereas with UNKewlJ his opinion has gotten lower and lower in terms of calling UNKewlJ out as a compulsive liar.

kewlJ has also been caught in a lot of lies over time, both on this forum and elsewhere. Therefore, it is unclear if he really makes much (or anything) playing blackjack these days.

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells.