The old Western Casino on Fremont

[MisterV]

Ah, the power of wealth and privilege.

Sure, give him a bye for dodging the draft and then whining about McCain having been taken prisoner in service of this once great land.

Hey Rob, doesn't it strike you as "funny" that your hero, the orange oaf, went to a MILITARY SCHOOL where by report he supposedly enjoyed his time there, but when he graduated he said "Uh, no thanks, fuck the country; yeah I could serve but I'd rather not. Hey dad, bribe the doc and save my punk ass."

It shows his character, or the lack thereof, which has been on full display now for many years.

How people can actually believe this lying pant load mystifies me.

I've little problem with his politics: I simply think he's a piece of shit on America's shoe.

[Don Perignom]

Sure, give him a bye for dodging the draft

I simply think he's a piece of shit on America's shoe.

You're a piece of shit if you think anyone should be conscripted.

[MisterV]

You're a piece of shit if you think anyone should be conscripted.

I didn't make up the rules, boyo.

What you or I think about whether people should or should not have been conscripted to fight in 'Nam is irrelevant: please focus on the issue.

The law at that time required that a man of his age had to report for duty unless he had a valid reason for deferment, and the evidence shows that Trump falsified his medical records to get his deferment.

Why give him a bye for that?

He displayed craven cowardice, and all of his tough guy talk these days is just word salad.

[Don Perignom]

What you or I think about whether people should or should not have been conscripted to fight in 'Nam is irrelevant: please focus on the issue.

I think they shouldn't, and you think they should.

[MisterV]

I think they shouldn't, and you think they should.

Kind of.

At the time the war got going I had mixed feelings as to where I stood: as an example, I went to DC on May Day to observe the protests against the war (antiestablishment) and that night floated down the Potomac on a river boat with my date from Sarah Lawrence, living La Dolce Vita on a dance cruise put on by her college (establishment).

I'd grown up reading Sgt. Rock comics and studying military history, especially WWII and the concept of war intrigued me.

But in the late sixties I started doing drugs and hanging with "undesirables;" I grew my hair long and voted for McGovern.

But then I grew up.

With experience I realize that a strong military is what got us to where we are today and it is still needed in order to compete on the world stage, and if there aren't enough volunteers to fill the ranks then a draft is the best solution.

Why shouldn't a young man be required to go into harm's way to defend his nation?

Hello, social contract.

[Don Perignom]

Why shouldn't a young man be required to go into harm's way to defend his nation?

Hello, social contract.

Imagine my shock.