Professional Sportsbetting

[kewlJ]

Methinks the kewlJs are annoyed that I am on to them.

You are on to NOTHING, dude, except you have jumped onto the troll bandwagon with Singer, Dawg, Belly. That is some company you are keeping.

As for your taxes, it wasn't me that looked up and exposed your tax situation. It was belly. I would ask him if you are unsure what you owe. But let's see, did property value of the shack go up this year? Did you make improvements? add electricity or running water?

[redietz]

Methinks the kewlJs are annoyed that I am on to them.

You are on to NOTHING, dude, except you have jumped onto the troll bandwagon with Singer, Dawg, Belly. That is some company you are keeping.

As for your taxes, it wasn't me that looked up and exposed your tax situation. It was belly. I would ask him if you are unsure what you owe. But let's see, did property value of the shack go up this year? Did you make improvements? add electricity or running water?

So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.

[kewlJ]

So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.

Schwarzenegger is 77 years old. Eastwood 94 years old. And fellow homo Redietz thinks they are hot!

In fairness to Red, he risides in the 1980's....so maybe 40-45 years ago, if that was your type Red.

[AxelWolf]

So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.

Schwarzenegger is 77 years old. Eastwood 94 years old. And fellow homo Redietz thinks they are hot!

In fairness to Red, he risides in the 1980's....so maybe 40-45 years ago, if that was your type Red.

Homo say what????

I recently told my favorite gay joke to a small crowd of people and one lady was Furious. LOL. iI's a great joke if someone is furious

FYI. I recently noticed that Hillary Duff (37) looks pretty good for her age.

[kewlJ]

So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.

You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?

That is Penn State Strong.

[redietz]

So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.

You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?

That is Penn State Strong.

Of course, I'm not The Riddler. I don't have his poetic abilities.

The Riddler has

1) Won more money for people on this forum than Kewlj.
2) Demonstrated more gambling expertise on this forum than KewlJ.
3) Told fewer lies than KewlJ.
4) LOL -- Has provided about as much Las Vegas detail as KewlJ (in other words, none).

I don't see how you can argue the fact that The Riddler has contributed WAAAYYY more to this forum than the Kewlj(s). I mean, somebody start up a poll. Who's done more gambling-good for VCT readers, The Riddler or the KewlJ(s)?

[kewlJ]

So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.

You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?

That is Penn State Strong.

Of course, I'm not The Riddler. I don't have his poetic abilities.

The Riddler has

1) Won more money for people on this forum than Kewlj.
2) Demonstrated more gambling expertise on this forum than KewlJ.
3) Told fewer lies than KewlJ.
4) LOL -- Has provided about as much Las Vegas detail as KewlJ (in other words, none).

I don't see how you can argue the fact that The Riddler has contributed WAAAYYY more to this forum than the Kewlj(s). I mean, somebody start up a poll. Who's done more gambling-good for VCT readers, The Riddler or the KewlJ(s)?

You're out of your fucking mind mate on all accounts.

[AxelWolf]

So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.

You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?

He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.

[kewlJ]

You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?

He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.

Not exactly. Red was ok with all AP's, you me, mickeycrimm, ect, until we all started making a couple bucks off sports betting. How dare we do anything with sports betting....that is his turf! That is when he turned and started attacking APs. First, Mickeycrimm and him getting Social Security (as if he somehow isn't entitled to it) and then you and I and all this "Leonardo daVinci-AP" shit.

I have said this before. If Red has made money, made a living involved in sports betting for 40 years...good for him. Weird that he doesn't understand EV and wanting to remain anonymous at the casinos, who by my understanding try to stop sports bettors too. But...good for him.

Some of the contests and stuff he did, seems a little outdated, but that is ok. If he needs to give himself a little pat on the back about it, that is ok too. But stop with the "my way is the only way" and anybody else making a freaking buck off sports betting is somehow moving in on his territory.

Chill RE Dude!

[redietz]

You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?

He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.

Not exactly. Red was ok with all AP's, you me, mickeycrimm, ect, until we all started making a couple bucks off sports betting. How dare we do anything with sports betting....that is his turf! That is when he turned and started attacking APs. First, Mickeycrimm and him getting Social Security (as if he somehow isn't entitled to it) and then you and I and all this "Leonardo daVinci-AP" shit.

I have said this before. If Red has made money, made a living involved in sports betting for 40 years...good for him. Weird that he doesn't understand EV and wanting to remain anonymous at the casinos, who by my understanding try to stop sports bettors too. But...good for him.

Some of the contests and stuff he did, seems a little outdated, but that is ok. If he needs to give himself a little pat on the back about it, that is ok too. But stop with the "my way is the only way" and anybody else making a freaking buck off sports betting is somehow moving in on his territory.

Chill RE Dude!

What I have difficulty with:

1) Folks who, outside of arbitrage, middles-shooting, and bonuses -- which are fine arrows in a "sports betting" quiver -- think they can out-expertise actual sports bettors, who generally do NOT venture much outside their sport of expertise. Have you read none of the classic sports betting books from Huntington Press? The biographies? There are really no jacks-of-all-trades in "sports betting." The funny thing about this is that these two are arguing that I'm dated, while the idea that one person can tackle multiple sports is actually the dated theme, straight out of the 70's and 80's.

2) Folks who think being able to anticipate line moves in different sports is something they can do without intimately knowing either the sports or the public betting the sports.

3) Folks who tell stories to themselves without third-party verification. This is the primary difference between handicappers and the APs claiming to be handicappers. The handicappers' ATS records, including middles-shooting and arbitrage, can be tracked, monitored, and verified via monitoring records, client records, and contest records. The "APs" claims to winning can be verified because they say so. These are two entirely different ways of establishing reality. You can either be publicly tracked, like say, oh, The Riddler, or you can be a heroic winner because you say so, like Axelwolf or kewlJ.

4) Do you geniuses actually think, coming from AP-land, that you have access to more wisdom, more expertise, and more angles than people like Phil Ivey or Bob Dancer, who have crashed and burned sports betting? Is that your argument? That you are better bettors than Ungar or Ivey or Dancer? That you bring more to the table than these people? More expertise, more brainpower, more contacts? Pardon the guffaws.

[mickeycrimm]

He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.

Not exactly. Red was ok with all AP's, you me, mickeycrimm, ect, until we all started making a couple bucks off sports betting. How dare we do anything with sports betting....that is his turf! That is when he turned and started attacking APs. First, Mickeycrimm and him getting Social Security (as if he somehow isn't entitled to it) and then you and I and all this "Leonardo daVinci-AP" shit.

I have said this before. If Red has made money, made a living involved in sports betting for 40 years...good for him. Weird that he doesn't understand EV and wanting to remain anonymous at the casinos, who by my understanding try to stop sports bettors too. But...good for him.

Some of the contests and stuff he did, seems a little outdated, but that is ok. If he needs to give himself a little pat on the back about it, that is ok too. But stop with the "my way is the only way" and anybody else making a freaking buck off sports betting is somehow moving in on his territory.

Chill RE Dude!

What I have difficulty with:

1) Folks who, outside of arbitrage, middles-shooting, and bonuses -- which are fine arrows in a "sports betting" quiver -- think they can out-expertise actual sports bettors, who generally do NOT venture much outside their sport of expertise. Have you read none of the classic sports betting books from Huntington Press? The biographies? There are really no jacks-of-all-trades in "sports betting." The funny thing about this is that these two are arguing that I'm dated, while the idea that one person can tackle multiple sports is actually the dated theme, straight out of the 70's and 80's.

2) Folks who think being able to anticipate line moves in different sports is something they can do without intimately knowing either the sports or the public betting the sports.

3) Folks who tell stories to themselves without third-party verification. This is the primary difference between handicappers and the APs claiming to be handicappers. The handicappers' ATS records, including middles-shooting and arbitrage, can be tracked, monitored, and verified via monitoring records, client records, and contest records. The "APs" claims to winning can be verified because they say so. These are two entirely different ways of establishing reality. You can either be publicly tracked, like say, oh, The Riddler, or you can be a heroic winner because you say so, like Axelwolf or kewlJ.

4) Do you geniuses actually think, coming from AP-land, that you have access to more wisdom, more expertise, and more angles than people like Phil Ivey or Bob Dancer, who have crashed and burned sports betting? Is that your argument? That you are better bettors than Ungar or Ivey or Dancer? That you bring more to the table than these people? More expertise, more brainpower, more contacts? Pardon the guffaws.

One thing about redietz is he don't double-check things to get details correct before he commits words to the screen.

Unger is a piss poor example of expertise and brainpower. He could beat tournament poker and gin rummy. But he was a life long loser to live poker, horse racing, blackjack and sports betting. In the NFL he bet every game every week. A bookie's dream.

Ivey is a piss poor example of expertise and brainpower. He's a compulsive gambler that loses to everything but poker. He generally couldn't make it past the craps table on his way from the poker room. He would dump his poker winnings and more. He was not an expert in edge sorting. He was convinced by those in the know to use a professional edge sorter.

I don't know that Bob Dancer quit sports betting altogether. I know that he got caught in the losing streak on safeties in the Super Bowl with Shack and that soured him on somethings. But his long running partner, Richard Munchkin, recently moved into sports betting and as I've heard he is doing pretty good with it.

[mickeycrimm]

He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.

Not exactly. Red was ok with all AP's, you me, mickeycrimm, ect, until we all started making a couple bucks off sports betting. How dare we do anything with sports betting....that is his turf! That is when he turned and started attacking APs. First, Mickeycrimm and him getting Social Security (as if he somehow isn't entitled to it) and then you and I and all this "Leonardo daVinci-AP" shit.

I have said this before. If Red has made money, made a living involved in sports betting for 40 years...good for him. Weird that he doesn't understand EV and wanting to remain anonymous at the casinos, who by my understanding try to stop sports bettors too. But...good for him.

Some of the contests and stuff he did, seems a little outdated, but that is ok. If he needs to give himself a little pat on the back about it, that is ok too. But stop with the "my way is the only way" and anybody else making a freaking buck off sports betting is somehow moving in on his territory.

Chill RE Dude!

What I have difficulty with:

1) Folks who, outside of arbitrage, middles-shooting, and bonuses -- which are fine arrows in a "sports betting" quiver -- think they can out-expertise actual sports bettors, who generally do NOT venture much outside their sport of expertise. Have you read none of the classic sports betting books from Huntington Press? The biographies? There are really no jacks-of-all-trades in "sports betting." The funny thing about this is that these two are arguing that I'm dated, while the idea that one person can tackle multiple sports is actually the dated theme, straight out of the 70's and 80's.

2) Folks who think being able to anticipate line moves in different sports is something they can do without intimately knowing either the sports or the public betting the sports.

3) Folks who tell stories to themselves without third-party verification. This is the primary difference between handicappers and the APs claiming to be handicappers. The handicappers' ATS records, including middles-shooting and arbitrage, can be tracked, monitored, and verified via monitoring records, client records, and contest records. The "APs" claims to winning can be verified because they say so. These are two entirely different ways of establishing reality. You can either be publicly tracked, like say, oh, The Riddler, or you can be a heroic winner because you say so, like Axelwolf or kewlJ.

4) Do you geniuses actually think, coming from AP-land, that you have access to more wisdom, more expertise, and more angles than people like Phil Ivey or Bob Dancer, who have crashed and burned sports betting? Is that your argument? That you are better bettors than Ungar or Ivey or Dancer? That you bring more to the table than these people? More expertise, more brainpower, more contacts? Pardon the guffaws.

One thing about redietz is he don't double-check things to get details correct before he commits words to the screen.

Unger is a piss poor example of expertise and brainpower. He was a compulsive gambler. He could beat tournament poker and gin rummy. Then he would dump the money to live poker, horse racing, blackjack and sports betting. In the NFL he bet every game every week. A bookie's dream. He could never keep a bankroll.

Ivey is a piss poor example of expertise and brainpower. He's a compulsive gambler that loses to everything but poker. He generally couldn't make it past the craps table on his way from the poker room. He was a big time sports betting loser too. He would dump his poker winnings and more. He was not an expert in edge sorting. He was convinced by those in the know to use a professional edge sorter.

I don't know that Bob Dancer quit sports betting altogether. I know that he got caught in the losing streak on safeties in the Super Bowl with Shack and that soured him on some things. But his long running partner, Richard Munchkin, recently moved into sports betting and as I've heard he is doing pretty good with it.

Redietz doesn't know this but years ago Dancer replaced Frank Kneeland on GWAE because Kneeland was expert only in video poker. Dancer wanted people that were experts on multiple games. Much to redietz' chagrin, Munchkin is expert on multiple games.

[redietz]

So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.

You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?

He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.

KewlJ got the degree wrong, as per usual. One thing Axelwolf and KewlJ have in common -- they don't double-check things to get details correct before they commit words to the screen.

I imagine that kind of sloppy accounting and sloppy memory comes in useful as an "AP."

And yes, MDawg, quote me on that.

[kewlJ]

You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?

He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.

KewlJ got the degree wrong, as per usual. One thing Axelwolf and KewlJ have in common -- they don't double-check things to get details correct before they commit words to the screen.

I imagine that kind of sloppy accounting and sloppy memory comes in useful as an "AP."

Ok, I gotta make this quick, because I am heading out to to play. I got the information about Red's degree from a page that he set up on a website.

The post above that is just more of the same. Red feeling insecure and I guess threatened by anyone doing anything with sports betting. get over it man...really!

[AxelWolf]

You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?

He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.

KewlJ got the degree wrong, as per usual. One thing Axelwolf and KewlJ have in common -- they don't double-check things to get details correct before they commit words to the screen.

I imagine that kind of sloppy accounting and sloppy memory comes in useful as an "AP."

And yes, MDawg, quote me on that.

I didn't commit to anything here, I asked if it were true. Are you college-educated in any area? If so, see above.

[mickeycrimm]

Methinks the kewlJs are annoyed that I am on to them.

You are on to NOTHING, dude, except you have jumped onto the troll bandwagon with Singer, Dawg, Belly. That is some company you are keeping.

As for your taxes, it wasn't me that looked up and exposed your tax situation. It was belly. I would ask him if you are unsure what you owe. But let's see, did property value of the shack go up this year? Did you make improvements? add electricity or running water?

So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.

Shack has beat the Super Bowl 7. Years. In. A. Row. Phenomenal! Right?

[Don Perignom]

Shack has beat the Super Bowl 7. Years. In. A. Row. Phenomenal! Right?

I'm not a handicrapper at all, but his method seems low IQ. He's basically just looking at net points. 10 of the 13 other playoff teams outperformed Kansas City in net points.

It's like he's not even attempting a serious analysis.

[mickeycrimm]

Shack has beat the Super Bowl 7. Years. In. A. Row. Phenomenal! Right?

I'm not a handicrapper at all, but his method seems low IQ. He's basically just looking at net points. 10 of the 13 other playoff teams outperformed Kansas City in net points.

It's like he's not even attempting a serious analysis.

He's not attempting a serious analysis. It's a simple handicapping system. You know, like just counting 5's at blackjack.

[Don Perignom]

He's not attempting a serious analysis. It's a simple handicapping system. You know, like just counting 5's at blackjack.

I don't get the point of it.

I don't play blackjack either, but how many smart players use the ace/5 count? Afaik, they use hi/lo because it's substantially more effective for only a little extra effort.

Sports also carries a higher house edge than bj, so the implication is you may need to work a little harder to beat it.

[accountinquestion]

Shack has beat the Super Bowl 7. Years. In. A. Row. Phenomenal! Right?

I'm not a handicrapper at all, but his method seems low IQ. He's basically just looking at net points. 10 of the 13 other playoff teams outperformed Kansas City in net points.

It's like he's not even attempting a serious analysis.

With weak enough lines and a good social network you don't necessarily have to be that sophisticated in your methodology.