Arci took the Hillary Clinton approach on this, and he's right. Definitions mean nothing and better pay tables are simply better to play. Just to keep it simple Alan, think of it in this way and you won't need goofy explanations from people who hardly ever play vp: Walk into IGT, ask them to show you a Game King menu of vp games on one of their machines. Look at the best pay table available for each game. THAT is what they call--and what is--the "full pay" version. End of story.