Professional Sportsbetting

[MDawg]

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells

[redietz]

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells

He basically lies about everything.

1) He starts off by making declarative statements regarding things he knows nothing about (like, how much I wager, how much people I work with wager -- those are obvious ones).

2) Then he flat out lies (like his betting dwarfs mine -- LOL -- mickey can give you my amount of wagering at Northbet based on their free play acquisition rates and how much free play I had), and that's one site.

3) He edits his responses in such a way that he doesn't address core issues. For example, I warned him about what he was doing at Oddsmaker (where, by the way, I've wagered close to a million, not that that's a lot, but it's not nothing) with the bonuses. He ignored me, then one of the kewlJ(s) came back asking for advice two years later because Oddsmaker didn't want to pay him. LOL. Big sur-prise. But the kewlJ(s) don't address how they, the grand expert "APs," fucked up, and how I told them they were fucking up. So kudos to the kewlJ(s) editing. They are smart and everybody else is dumb, unless you actually read.

4) His attempt to branch out into sports betting is understandable, as blackjack players have hit an LV wall. Unfortunately, the KewlJ(s) have no actual sports betting experience, so they are forced to jive talk regarding bonuses as their way of demonstrating some kind of expertise. Only the kewlJ(s) screw up with their bonusing attempts, mainly because they have no finesse and are transparent as glass, which of course leads a suspicious person (say, an MDawg) to wonder how this dude evades constant counting exposure. It is weird that someone who claims to be so slick in avoiding being ID'ed as an AP at blackjack tables could be so ham-handed at sports betting and not realize he's being obvious to the nth.

The KewlJ(s) have the markings of real con men, mainly because of the classic scam red flags (no details; everything is kewlJ-centric against a backdrop of nothing; there are no other verifiable people in his stories). They are The Shadow(s), doing things these days that are beyond the ken of blackjack Hall of Famers. They bob, they weave, they bullshit.

Never a verifiable anything. All fairy tale corroboration and lies.

And MDawg, please quote me on this. Thanks.

[MisterV]

The KewlJ(s) have the markings of real con men

So you say.

Wanna tell us where the 'con' or his 'play' is?

When you accuse someone of being a con man it is assumed the accused has an End Game in mind where he'll Score money from rubes and patsies.

I don't see it with KJ, but obviously you do...care to expound upon it?

I mean, it's not like he's a tout: how do you believe he'll monetize it, what's the Sting?

[kewlJ]

4) His attempt to branch out into sports betting is understandable, as blackjack players have hit an LV wall.

I don't know what this guy Redietz knows about sports betting. Or What he may have known about sports betting in 1984. But this line, about Blackjack players having hit a wall, tells me he knows nothing about blackjack advantage play (card counting and beyond) in Las Vegas in 2025. Opportunities are no worse right at this moment than they have been any time during my 16 years living in and playing this town. My brother has now had 10 good years grinding the locals circuit, same as I did up until 4 years ago. I now play a little differently, a little bigger stakes, during busier times, what I like to call playing in the shadows of other bigger bettors and last year 2024, I had exactly 1 back off in Vegas, the fewest I have ever had in any year.

So I don't know where this blackjack players wall is that Redietz came up with out of thin air. The only reason fewer players are doing what we do, is because there are now more and better AP opportunities, with bigger advantages and most APs move toward that. But anyone that wants to grind at card counting, that opportunity is still very much available.

Anyone that has hit a wall is someone that doesn't know what they are doing in the first place. There are always obstacles, not just with blackjack/card counting, but all AP play. AP play today is about navigating those obstacles.

But keep chattering Red, about shit you know nothing about.

[kewlJ]

The KewlJ(s) have the markings of real con men

So you say.

Wanna tell us where the 'con' or his 'play' is?

When you accuse someone of being a con man it is assumed the accused has an End Game in mind where he'll Score money from rubes and patsies.

I don't see it with KJ, but obviously you do...care to expound upon it?

I mean, it's not like he's a tout: how do you believe he'll monetize it, what's the Sting?

Good luck getting an answer to this question MrV.

There is only 1 member of this forum that is a known tout, soliciting clients and money from clients and that is Redietz.

[redietz]

Anyone who claims expertise who doesn't have it is a con man.

Leave it to a lawyer, of which I understand there are a million in this country, to use a legal monetizing definition of "con" as opposed to the general one.

But it's not really just a general one. "Coin of the realm," you see, isn't just coin of the realm. There are "non-material resources" just as there are "material resources." Ask any sociologist, psychologist, psychiatrist, or anthropologist (as opposed to the master of all realms, the lawyer).

For example, for those lawyers who haven't taken a few economics or sociology classes, getting laid is an act that is a possible end result of touting (see what I did there?) one's expertise that one doesn't really possess, ergo it's a non-material con. Let me repeat that. Touting one's faux expertise and benefitting from it, be the benefit material, as in coin of the realm or non-material, as in prestige, community access, or something as pedestrian as getting laid, is a con if you don't have the expertise and if you are presenting yourself as something you are not.

In KewlJ's case, his 15,000 posts and ghostly presence suggests he isn't what he claims to be. Even the act of promoting one's expertise falsely is a con.

I rest my (non-material) case.

And really, V, what do you actually know about kewlJ where you think he hasn't financially conned anyone? You don't know. You don't even have his name. So why would you swing a wiffle bat for an anonymous phantom? Methinks you just like to pick sides based on whatever values you think you have this week.

Which is, now that I think about it, exactly what lawyers do.

[MisterV]

What "ghostly presence?"

He posts frequently and gives personal details, what more is needed?

What more do you or others do that he doesn't do?

I think all he "claims to be" is a LV resident who supports himself by gambling: how uncommon is that?

[kewlJ]

The story of "Red" (near as I can figure....for anyone who cares)

This dude who lives in Johnson City Tennessee, aka "East Bubble Fuck" Tennessee. We know this because he told us 100 times, posting his own address (doxing himself). Apparently he inherited a small house from his father who's last address was the same. Some think he buried the father of the same name in the backyard and collected his SS check for years. I hope that is speculation and not true. All we know more recently is that the great sports handicapper/bettor of 40 years seems to have trouble paying a $500 property tax bill.

Lets take a look at some of Red's claims.

1) That he is a great sports bettor handicapper who worked for and learned from Industry great Billy Walters. Near as I can tell maybe he was a runner for Walters for 1 year. Otherwise Walters doesn't seem to know who the fuck R.E. Dietz is.

2) That he plays a number of sports betting contests every year. Apparently he did well in Some contests in 1984 and has the documentation to prove it. The very same documentation or "package" as it was known 7 years ago that he tried to shove down Alan's throat.

3). These days as each football season progresses he likes to tell us of contests he is doing well in. (i.e. 108th place out of 2500 contestants, when only the top 20 cash anything) And the contests he isn't doing well, we don't hear about.

4) The other thing Red likes to do is at the very end of the football season he will tell you 1 or 2 teams in the college football playoffs that he has future bets on from the beginning of the season at some long shot odds. Never a mention until the end. Who knows if THAT is real or how many teams he had futures on that didn't make it.

5) 100 days a year spent in Vegas each year for 40 years. How many times have we heard this shit. Why? Most of what he is doing or claims he is doing can be done online from East Bubble Fuck Tennessee or anywhere else. He wants you to think he is some kind of Vegas insider, who knows Vegas. I don't care, but see no evidence of it. When he visits Vegas he stays at downtown Hotels where he apparently pays rack rate. He doesn't even seem to know how to get rooms comped at these lower end places. His "higher end" place where he spends the final few nights of each trip is Tuscany Suites on Flamingo between Koval and Paradise. THAT is his HIGH END place. But then again, Red is from Tennessee.

6) he likes to name drop people. Everyone from a GF who is the daughter of a mob boss, to professors to people he played a pickup basketball game with 50 years ago at lunch. WHO THE FUCK CARES!!!!

7) When in Vegas he will tell you where he is eating breakfast or lunch and invite people to stop by. No one does. No one cares.

8) Last year he was interviewing sports betting people or writing a book or something. You would have thought these meetings and interviews would have taken place in Las Vegas, but no. He had the Johnson City (East Bubble fuck) BOOK club booked, in a room at the library. No one showed up.

The guy that spends 100 days a year in Vegas seems to know as much about Vegas as any other tourist that visit a couple times a year. Probably about as much as the Rodeo folks that come each December.


Now I have no idea if Red really made a living in the sports betting industry for 40 years. I always took him at his word. But recently, within the past few years, people have uncovered the very documents he used to "pitch" perspective clients, right down to a projected return on investment.

All signs point to the guys involvement in sports betting for 40 years was as a "tout". I mean is that really a professional sports bettor?

And for someone who spends 100 days a year in Las Vegas, he seems to understand zero about real professional gamblers, known as APs these days. he has no clue about things like EV and why such players NEED to maintain their anonymity. The only thing Red seems to understand about APs is that some find some things they can do and make money on in sports betting and he doesn't like it. He feels threatened by it. Guess what hillbilly dork. THAT is what APs do.

I am not on a crusade like I was with Singer and Dawg who both spewed complete bullshit gambling claims. I don't really care if Redietz made money as a sports bettor or not.....even as a tout. I don't care if that was his primary income or not. And I sure as hell don't care if he did well in a couple contests in 1984.

I just don't fucking care!! But I will be damned if I will say nothing while this sports picking "tout" calls other real players, real APs scammy. Nothing more scammy than a "tout".

[MDawg]

Wanna tell us where the 'con' or his 'play' is?

Please tell me that this entire routine of yours is a years-long troll job. At least that I could respect.

I'm rather certain he has money from something he feels shame over.
Most likely a prostitute

Pretending to be some hero AP gives him purpose and a sense of accomplishment.

[jdaewoo]

Why isn't this retard posting more fake baccarat sessions?

[MisterV]

The story of "Red" (near as I can figure....for anyone who cares) ...6) he likes to name drop people. Everyone from a GF who is the daughter of a mob boss...

I have to say that I enjoy how he spices up his yarns with references to him hob-nobbing with the mob / mobbed up characters.

Alas, one of my life's regrets is that I never laid down with dogs and got up with fleas.

[MDawg]

You were a family law attorney? No mob or connected clients? No murder for hire plots hatched by disgruntled parties?



Actually at my private school couple of the children of a mob front man were dropped off and picked up in a limo daily. And while I’m not aware (for certain) of any such mob kids in the Ivy League there were connected guys in the towns (“Townies”) we might cross paths with in the seedier East Coast bars.

[MisterV]

You were a family law attorney? No mob or connected clients?

I had one client who definitely was mobbed up.

Once was enough: he stiffed me at the end and WTF could I do to collect?

I didn't want to sleep with the fishes.

[Keystone]

You were a family law attorney? No mob or connected clients? No murder for hire plots hatched by disgruntled parties?



Actually at my private school couple of the children of a mob front man were dropped off and picked up in a limo daily. And while I’m not aware (for certain) of any such mob kids in the Ivy League there were connected guys in the towns (“Townies”) we might cross paths with in the seedier East Coast bars.

I’ll take “More Bullshit Stories” for $500 please Alex

[mickeycrimm]

kewlJ is basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf of these AP forums. He has lied so many times that it's impossible to believe any stories he tells

He basically lies about everything.

1) He starts off by making declarative statements regarding things he knows nothing about (like, how much I wager, how much people I work with wager -- those are obvious ones).

2) Then he flat out lies (like his betting dwarfs mine -- LOL -- mickey can give you my amount of wagering at Northbet based on their free play acquisition rates and how much free play I had), and that's one site.

3) He edits his responses in such a way that he doesn't address core issues. For example, I warned him about what he was doing at Oddsmaker (where, by the way, I've wagered close to a million, not that that's a lot, but it's not nothing) with the bonuses. He ignored me, then one of the kewlJ(s) came back asking for advice two years later because Oddsmaker didn't want to pay him. LOL. Big sur-prise. But the kewlJ(s) don't address how they, the grand expert "APs," fucked up, and how I told them they were fucking up. So kudos to the kewlJ(s) editing. They are smart and everybody else is dumb, unless you actually read.

4) His attempt to branch out into sports betting is understandable, as blackjack players have hit an LV wall. Unfortunately, the KewlJ(s) have no actual sports betting experience, so they are forced to jive talk regarding bonuses as their way of demonstrating some kind of expertise. Only the kewlJ(s) screw up with their bonusing attempts, mainly because they have no finesse and are transparent as glass, which of course leads a suspicious person (say, an MDawg) to wonder how this dude evades constant counting exposure. It is weird that someone who claims to be so slick in avoiding being ID'ed as an AP at blackjack tables could be so ham-handed at sports betting and not realize he's being obvious to the nth.

The KewlJ(s) have the markings of real con men, mainly because of the classic scam red flags (no details; everything is kewlJ-centric against a backdrop of nothing; there are no other verifiable people in his stories). They are The Shadow(s), doing things these days that are beyond the ken of blackjack Hall of Famers. They bob, they weave, they bullshit.

Never a verifiable anything. All fairy tale corroboration and lies.

And MDawg, please quote me on this. Thanks.

No, I can't give anyone the amount you wagered, or didn't wager, at Northbet. The formula for doing it is easy enough but you never gave any proof that you had any free play at all.

Without proof your word can't be trusted. You showed your propensity to deceive with the GWAE fiasco. You met with Munchkin right after we suggested you do a podcast. Then, for months you led us to believe you would be making an appearance. Kept saying you would be making the appearance shortly. But after several months with no action, just words by you that you would appear, I contacted Munchkin to see what the hold up was all about. He told me you turned him down flat for doing a podcast at that meeting you had with him several months before.

You casually lied to us for several months. It calls into question every claim you've ever made.

[redietz]

He basically lies about everything.

1) He starts off by making declarative statements regarding things he knows nothing about (like, how much I wager, how much people I work with wager -- those are obvious ones).

2) Then he flat out lies (like his betting dwarfs mine -- LOL -- mickey can give you my amount of wagering at Northbet based on their free play acquisition rates and how much free play I had), and that's one site.

3) He edits his responses in such a way that he doesn't address core issues. For example, I warned him about what he was doing at Oddsmaker (where, by the way, I've wagered close to a million, not that that's a lot, but it's not nothing) with the bonuses. He ignored me, then one of the kewlJ(s) came back asking for advice two years later because Oddsmaker didn't want to pay him. LOL. Big sur-prise. But the kewlJ(s) don't address how they, the grand expert "APs," fucked up, and how I told them they were fucking up. So kudos to the kewlJ(s) editing. They are smart and everybody else is dumb, unless you actually read.

4) His attempt to branch out into sports betting is understandable, as blackjack players have hit an LV wall. Unfortunately, the KewlJ(s) have no actual sports betting experience, so they are forced to jive talk regarding bonuses as their way of demonstrating some kind of expertise. Only the kewlJ(s) screw up with their bonusing attempts, mainly because they have no finesse and are transparent as glass, which of course leads a suspicious person (say, an MDawg) to wonder how this dude evades constant counting exposure. It is weird that someone who claims to be so slick in avoiding being ID'ed as an AP at blackjack tables could be so ham-handed at sports betting and not realize he's being obvious to the nth.

The KewlJ(s) have the markings of real con men, mainly because of the classic scam red flags (no details; everything is kewlJ-centric against a backdrop of nothing; there are no other verifiable people in his stories). They are The Shadow(s), doing things these days that are beyond the ken of blackjack Hall of Famers. They bob, they weave, they bullshit.

Never a verifiable anything. All fairy tale corroboration and lies.

And MDawg, please quote me on this. Thanks.

No, I can't give anyone the amount you wagered, or didn't wager, at Northbet. The formula for doing it is easy enough but you never gave any proof that you had any free play at all.

Without proof your word can't be trusted. You showed your propensity to deceive with the GWAE fiasco. You met with Munchkin right after we suggested you do a podcast. Then, for months you led us to believe you would be making an appearance. Kept saying you would be making the appearance shortly. But after several months with no action, just words by you that you would appear, I contacted Munchkin to see what the hold up was all about. He told me you turned him down flat for doing a podcast at that meeting you had with him several months before.

You casually lied to us for several months. It calls into question every claim you've ever made.

That's all bullshit from you, mickey, and you know it. You are the one who has bullshitted everybody.

Go ahead and pull up the QUOTES where I said I'd be appearing on the podcast. Not that I was amenable to it, but that I had spoken with Munchkin and would be appearing on it. There are none.

The bullshit comes from your end, with you saying Munchkin wanted me on. The fact is that Dancer has qualms about allowing anybody who rolls his eyes at the ubiquitous use of the "AP" label on the podcast, so I assume that's why he's reticent to have me on. In fact, the last lunch I had with Munchkin, I said I'd be willing to be on pretty much any time, and he said he'd get back to me.

Now before mickey goes off and says, "Well, that proves you have no credentials -- LOL," which is what he'll say, let me add that....

No, you know what, let mickey have his say. Then I'll respond.

Mickey, you have devolved into a Grade A bullshitter. Munchkin never told you he'd definitely have me on, obviously, so what is your trick here? Tell me he'll have me on, he decides that's not a good idea, and then you claim I don't pass muster? I pass muster, my friend, but alienating half his audience is probably what Dancer is concerned about if I don't play nice.

It's disturbing that you flat-out lie about this stuff.

Anybody who has any questions about any of this should just email Munchkin. Easy Peasie. I assume his email is available via the LVA, so I won't give it out here. That's all I'll say for now. Email Munchkin directly and ask him (1) if I had lunches with him, (2) was I amenable to going on the show, and (3) did I pass any kind of fact check or reputation check? Instead of reading mickey's bullshit, just go to the source.

Mickey, I understand you probably have some dementia issues, and that's why I've been relatively respectful. I'm sure people have noticed that I've held my tongue with you quite a bit lately. I have even said some nice things. I have experience with people with the onset of dementia. They get facts wrong; they get nasty. Their personalities change. But, as with my father, they can sometimes do simple math as well as they ever could. I'm not going to sit here and engage in some back-and-forth and berate somebody who I think has dementia. I didn't argue with my father; I won't argue with you. That's respect.

So you have a good life.

Anybody who wants the reality of this nonsense should just contact Munchkin. That's easy enough.

[MDawg]

MCrimm is slots. REDietz is sports.

[accountinquestion]

He basically lies about everything.

1) He starts off by making declarative statements regarding things he knows nothing about (like, how much I wager, how much people I work with wager -- those are obvious ones).

2) Then he flat out lies (like his betting dwarfs mine -- LOL -- mickey can give you my amount of wagering at Northbet based on their free play acquisition rates and how much free play I had), and that's one site.

3) He edits his responses in such a way that he doesn't address core issues. For example, I warned him about what he was doing at Oddsmaker (where, by the way, I've wagered close to a million, not that that's a lot, but it's not nothing) with the bonuses. He ignored me, then one of the kewlJ(s) came back asking for advice two years later because Oddsmaker didn't want to pay him. LOL. Big sur-prise. But the kewlJ(s) don't address how they, the grand expert "APs," fucked up, and how I told them they were fucking up. So kudos to the kewlJ(s) editing. They are smart and everybody else is dumb, unless you actually read.

4) His attempt to branch out into sports betting is understandable, as blackjack players have hit an LV wall. Unfortunately, the KewlJ(s) have no actual sports betting experience, so they are forced to jive talk regarding bonuses as their way of demonstrating some kind of expertise. Only the kewlJ(s) screw up with their bonusing attempts, mainly because they have no finesse and are transparent as glass, which of course leads a suspicious person (say, an MDawg) to wonder how this dude evades constant counting exposure. It is weird that someone who claims to be so slick in avoiding being ID'ed as an AP at blackjack tables could be so ham-handed at sports betting and not realize he's being obvious to the nth.

The KewlJ(s) have the markings of real con men, mainly because of the classic scam red flags (no details; everything is kewlJ-centric against a backdrop of nothing; there are no other verifiable people in his stories). They are The Shadow(s), doing things these days that are beyond the ken of blackjack Hall of Famers. They bob, they weave, they bullshit.

Never a verifiable anything. All fairy tale corroboration and lies.

And MDawg, please quote me on this. Thanks.

No, I can't give anyone the amount you wagered, or didn't wager, at Northbet. The formula for doing it is easy enough but you never gave any proof that you had any free play at all.

Without proof your word can't be trusted. You showed your propensity to deceive with the GWAE fiasco. You met with Munchkin right after we suggested you do a podcast. Then, for months you led us to believe you would be making an appearance. Kept saying you would be making the appearance shortly. But after several months with no action, just words by you that you would appear, I contacted Munchkin to see what the hold up was all about. He told me you turned him down flat for doing a podcast at that meeting you had with him several months before.

You casually lied to us for several months. It calls into question every claim you've ever made.

That's all bullshit from you, mickey, and you know it. You are the one who has bullshitted everybody.

Go ahead and pull up the QUOTES where I said I'd be appearing on the podcast. Not that I was amenable to it, but that I had spoken with Munchkin and would be appearing on it. There are none.

The bullshit comes from your end, with you saying Munchkin wanted me on. The fact is that Dancer has qualms about allowing anybody who rolls his eyes at the ubiquitous use of the "AP" label on the podcast, so I assume that's why he's reticent to have me on. In fact, the last lunch I had with Munchkin, I said I'd be willing to be on pretty much any time, and he said he'd get back to me.

Now before mickey goes off and says, "Well, that proves you have no credentials -- LOL," which is what he'll say, let me add that....

No, you know what, let mickey have his say. Then I'll respond.

Mickey, you have devolved into a Grade A bullshitter. Munchkin never told you he'd definitely have me on, obviously, so what is your trick here? Tell me he'll have me on, he decides that's not a good idea, and then you claim I don't pass muster? I pass muster, my friend, but alienating half his audience is probably what Dancer is concerned about if I don't play nice.

It's disturbing that you flat-out lie about this stuff.

Anybody who has any questions about any of this should just email Munchkin. Easy Peasie. I assume his email is available via the LVA, so I won't give it out here. That's all I'll say for now. Email Munchkin directly and ask him (1) if I had lunches with him, (2) was I amenable to going on the show, and (3) did I pass any kind of fact check or reputation check? Instead of reading mickey's bullshit, just go to the source.

Mickey, I understand you probably have some dementia issues, and that's why I've been relatively respectful. I'm sure people have noticed that I've held my tongue with you quite a bit lately. I have even said some nice things. I have experience with people with the onset of dementia. They get facts wrong; they get nasty. Their personalities change. But, as with my father, they can sometimes do simple math as well as they ever could. I'm not going to sit here and engage in some back-and-forth and berate somebody who I think has dementia. I didn't argue with my father; I won't argue with you. That's respect.

So you have a good life.

Anybody who wants the reality of this nonsense should just contact Munchkin. That's easy enough.

I was also under the impression you were going on a podcast and didn't do it.

You welched on a $100 gift to some sort of orphanage. (And even if you didn't welch - if you weren't broke AF and halfway decent you'd just paid the $100)

If you want to go off into the dementia thing - I've told other people on here that I suspect you have dementia. That I infact should not pick on you because of this. Then I am too weak and you're too appealing as a target and I beat you over the head some more.

I've never thought Mickey has dementia that I recall.

Underneath it all, I feel you're a nasty person. This is why I'm being truthful here. Otherwise I'd never say such things because it is really just a nasty thing to go into and too over the top for even here. Yet, that won't stop you.

The fact is Redietz, I've thought a few times I shouldn't pick on you. But because you find this acceptable, enjoy. I'm 100% not bullshitting either and personally I have no desire to be right.

[accountinquestion]

MCrimm is slots. REDietz is sports.

Crimm is/was cutting edge on slots. Redietz is lagged behind decades in many ways.

[kewlJ]

I've never thought Mickey has dementia that I recall.

The truth is everyone over the age of 60 (maybe 50) probably has some dementia. That is they are not as sharp or don't remember things as they did when they were 20. Some you will see it more than others.

What is mickey 70 now? 71? 72? Mickey is as sharp as ever and as sharp as anyone on this forum. Almost 3 decades younger than him, I wish I was as sharp as he is.