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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    You know its funny. I remember when I first got into AP and thought wow theres actually people doing this and making a ton of money? The more I played, talked, and met a lot of these people, ive come to the conclusion this is nothing more than a branch of the degenerate trash thats walking these scum casinos every day. Everyone has a story, no one has logs of anything. Everyone runs their mouth and make claims about how much they make but nothing to back it up. Everyone makes a shit ton of money but EVERYONE and i mean EVERYONE needs some form of a team to make money. I know of no one who came to vegas like i did and made it alone. Every single one of these faggots in this industry that people either worship and think is a good AP, all needed a network to make their money. Who the fuck has done it alone? Who?

    Let's start off with the degenerate youtubers betting 10k a hand thinking they're winning players but are actually just more degenerate pathological trash. These guys without their youtube channels would be living under a bridge. It just goes to show you the state of society that we live in. If at any point you want to know the current intelligence of a civilization, look at the music, media, and entertainment outlets that get the most attention, that will tell you where peoples brains are. Let's keep making stupid people famous whether its youtube, onlyfans, or nigger music, it will tell you everything.

    Here another one. Look at these forums and discords. Littered with scammers and degenerates. They're all alcholics, potheads, donks, and scammers. These guys will make thousands of claims about how much money they make, but no logs to show for it. The guys who probably make a little bit of money on there are once again all part of teams. 99% of this industry would be on MLK boulevard in a tent somewhere without their mouths and pathological lies. Without a network, id even lift the percentage to 99.9% of people couldnt make it. Its a massive wannabe industry full of storytellers and scamming degenerate trash. Whether its slots or table games, i have yet to meet anyone in the casino or the forums who didnt have some form of addiction or degenerate tendencies, which explains why none of them could make it alone.

    What about the book writers, podcasters, and seminar conductors? Dont even get me started on that. It's easy to expose them too. A lot, if not all of them were wannabes or degenerates who similar to the youtube guys, use it as a platform to make additional or all of their money. Those who can do, those who cant teach, write books, conduct seminars, and run bootcamps. You see, it's all fine and dandy to write books or run a podcast for legacy or because you're retired and want to share the wealth, but heres how you expose that they're not doing it for those reasons. If it's for legacy, why are you charging for it? Aren't you already so accomplished, you dont need the money? You see, these guys are doing it for the money, not to help people. You think guys like grosjean wrote 'Beyond counting" for legacy purposes? His magical plays were worth so much that hes willing to basically, but not completely teach you basically everything about it other than actually doing it, which through a bit of networking anyone can do. He's not only bringing attention to the plays at a wide scale, but then teaching you about how much all of it is worth. Guys that write for legacy purposes and not financial purposes dont charge 3k for a book. Guys that actually make money off these plays dont teach the whole world about it, unless you're already retired, which he isnt. This goes for all the blackjack counting authors as well. You think any of these guys are special? Stanford Wong? Ken Uston? Arnold Snyder? What the fuck did they ever do solo? Ken was basically a drunk and drug addict who was said to have lost more than hes won, but of course you wont hear about that, it wont sell movies and documentaries. Arnold also was said he didnt make anything. RIP to both of them as they did contribute to the sharing of counting information and simulations, but lets not kid ourselves about their actual talent and if they should be respected as APs. It's much easier to write about theory than actually conducting it as ill get into below about the traits of an AP. What about the seminar guys? These guys are probably the scummiest of people. These people were mostly given the information and then said fuck you and tried profiting off others people info. Not only do they not make money off the plays like these book writers and podcasters, but they also double cross the guys who initially helped them.

    You see, no one has the whole package is what it comes down to. Im not perfect either, but Im sure as hell better than the trash I've seen so far doing this. It all boils down to this. Someone could be really talented, but doesnt have the money. Someone can have the money, but no talent. Someone can have the money and the talent, but just a complete degenerate donk with no discipline. The combination of these traits is no where to be seen in this industry. If it wasnt for team play, slots, and lies to scam the fuck out of newbies, this whole industry would be under a bridge, if not already. Its just sad, but maybe I'm at fault for at one point thinking there was actually someone like me who has excelled at all things gaming in their life and expected the same out of the rest of the world, not realizing I was entering into a so called 'community' littered with guys who all they have is a 'story' to tell after they donked everything away. I guess I didnt give myself enough credit that I was in fact the unicorn surrounded by a world full of pathological degenerate trash.

    Let this be a warning to any people wanting to become an AP. Believe no one and dont work with anyone. You see a lot of these guys doing team play do it out of desperation, not as a way of scaling or needing more heads to scale their income. There are very few opportunities out there and in the past where it was actually beneficial to have needed multiple people to carry it out. Theres always an agenda behind every so called team more so than not. If the guy was good enough, he couldve likely done it himself, but the guy was likely broke and needed team funds. Stop working with people and let these people die off and go work at mcdonalds or better yet sleep on the streets.

    There is no community. There are no friends. This is the one industry where you should trust NO ONE and I mean no one. The people you meet in the casino are not far off from the people online, if not almost identical. People just want money out of you. It's a soulless and immoral industry. You're only as good as the money you can make them. If you're actually good enough theres enough data out there to get you started. If you have any ounce of intelligence, discipline, and creativity; you will make it. If you dont, well dont worry, the whole industry doesnt either and you'll fit right in amongst the trash that couldnt make it alone.

    Pce wannabes
    I said this a long time ago and continue to preach it.
    If you can't do it by yourself, you can't do it.
    Team Play is usually not worth the headaches that come along with it.
    Like jbjb says: I'm on my side!

  2. #22
    Actually
    Originally Posted by MDawg
    ibeatyouraces aka jbjb has always been on a team primarily because he’s never been able to put together enough money to bankroll himself.

    Originally Posted by MDawg
    And then we have UNKewlJ who can’t keep his story straight about whether or not he ever played on a team.
    Originally Posted by pinchingyourballs View Post
    Perhaps if you worked harder to create a coherent narrative that didn't contradict itself or defy common sense...
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    At some point you will realize you're dealing with a compulsive liar.
    Last edited by MDawg; 03-22-2025 at 03:19 PM.
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  3. #23
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post



    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    At some point you will realize you're dealing with a compulsive liar.
    Get some professional help u Saudi shit stain

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post



    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    At some point you will realize you're dealing with a compulsive liar.
    Get some professional help u Saudi shit stain
    What an idiot. This is like the wimpy, confused and frustrated democrats jumping up and down and screaming obscenities, insults & name-calling into the microphones, expecting that it hurts conservatives in any way....while the libtards get forever laughed at.

    It enuf to make one tingle.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post


    Get some professional help u Saudi shit stain
    What an idiot. This is like the wimpy, confused and frustrated democrats jumping up and down and screaming obscenities, insults & name-calling into the microphones, expecting that it hurts conservatives in any way....while the libtards get forever laughed at.

    It enuf to make one tingle.
    Except that MCunt is a confirmed liberal wuss… do you ever get anything right dickwad?

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    You know its funny. I remember when I first got into AP and thought wow theres actually people doing this and making a ton of money? The more I played, talked, and met a lot of these people, ive come to the conclusion this is nothing more than a branch of the degenerate trash thats walking these scum casinos every day. Everyone has a story, no one has logs of anything. Everyone runs their mouth and make claims about how much they make but nothing to back it up. Everyone makes a shit ton of money but EVERYONE and i mean EVERYONE needs some form of a team to make money. I know of no one who came to vegas like i did and made it alone. Every single one of these faggots in this industry that people either worship and think is a good AP, all needed a network to make their money. Who the fuck has done it alone? Who?

    Let's start off with the degenerate youtubers betting 10k a hand thinking they're winning players but are actually just more degenerate pathological trash. These guys without their youtube channels would be living under a bridge. It just goes to show you the state of society that we live in. If at any point you want to know the current intelligence of a civilization, look at the music, media, and entertainment outlets that get the most attention, that will tell you where peoples brains are. Let's keep making stupid people famous whether its youtube, onlyfans, or nigger music, it will tell you everything.

    Here another one. Look at these forums and discords. Littered with scammers and degenerates. They're all alcholics, potheads, donks, and scammers. These guys will make thousands of claims about how much money they make, but no logs to show for it. The guys who probably make a little bit of money on there are once again all part of teams. 99% of this industry would be on MLK boulevard in a tent somewhere without their mouths and pathological lies. Without a network, id even lift the percentage to 99.9% of people couldnt make it. Its a massive wannabe industry full of storytellers and scamming degenerate trash. Whether its slots or table games, i have yet to meet anyone in the casino or the forums who didnt have some form of addiction or degenerate tendencies, which explains why none of them could make it alone.

    What about the book writers, podcasters, and seminar conductors? Dont even get me started on that. It's easy to expose them too. A lot, if not all of them were wannabes or degenerates who similar to the youtube guys, use it as a platform to make additional or all of their money. Those who can do, those who cant teach, write books, conduct seminars, and run bootcamps. You see, it's all fine and dandy to write books or run a podcast for legacy or because you're retired and want to share the wealth, but heres how you expose that they're not doing it for those reasons. If it's for legacy, why are you charging for it? Aren't you already so accomplished, you dont need the money? You see, these guys are doing it for the money, not to help people. You think guys like grosjean wrote 'Beyond counting" for legacy purposes? His magical plays were worth so much that hes willing to basically, but not completely teach you basically everything about it other than actually doing it, which through a bit of networking anyone can do. He's not only bringing attention to the plays at a wide scale, but then teaching you about how much all of it is worth. Guys that write for legacy purposes and not financial purposes dont charge 3k for a book. Guys that actually make money off these plays dont teach the whole world about it, unless you're already retired, which he isnt. This goes for all the blackjack counting authors as well. You think any of these guys are special? Stanford Wong? Ken Uston? Arnold Snyder? What the fuck did they ever do solo? Ken was basically a drunk and drug addict who was said to have lost more than hes won, but of course you wont hear about that, it wont sell movies and documentaries. Arnold also was said he didnt make anything. RIP to both of them as they did contribute to the sharing of counting information and simulations, but lets not kid ourselves about their actual talent and if they should be respected as APs. It's much easier to write about theory than actually conducting it as ill get into below about the traits of an AP. What about the seminar guys? These guys are probably the scummiest of people. These people were mostly given the information and then said fuck you and tried profiting off others people info. Not only do they not make money off the plays like these book writers and podcasters, but they also double cross the guys who initially helped them.

    You see, no one has the whole package is what it comes down to. Im not perfect either, but Im sure as hell better than the trash I've seen so far doing this. It all boils down to this. Someone could be really talented, but doesnt have the money. Someone can have the money, but no talent. Someone can have the money and the talent, but just a complete degenerate donk with no discipline. The combination of these traits is no where to be seen in this industry. If it wasnt for team play, slots, and lies to scam the fuck out of newbies, this whole industry would be under a bridge, if not already. Its just sad, but maybe I'm at fault for at one point thinking there was actually someone like me who has excelled at all things gaming in their life and expected the same out of the rest of the world, not realizing I was entering into a so called 'community' littered with guys who all they have is a 'story' to tell after they donked everything away. I guess I didnt give myself enough credit that I was in fact the unicorn surrounded by a world full of pathological degenerate trash.

    Let this be a warning to any people wanting to become an AP. Believe no one and dont work with anyone. You see a lot of these guys doing team play do it out of desperation, not as a way of scaling or needing more heads to scale their income. There are very few opportunities out there and in the past where it was actually beneficial to have needed multiple people to carry it out. Theres always an agenda behind every so called team more so than not. If the guy was good enough, he couldve likely done it himself, but the guy was likely broke and needed team funds. Stop working with people and let these people die off and go work at mcdonalds or better yet sleep on the streets.

    There is no community. There are no friends. This is the one industry where you should trust NO ONE and I mean no one. The people you meet in the casino are not far off from the people online, if not almost identical. People just want money out of you. It's a soulless and immoral industry. You're only as good as the money you can make them. If you're actually good enough theres enough data out there to get you started. If you have any ounce of intelligence, discipline, and creativity; you will make it. If you dont, well dont worry, the whole industry doesnt either and you'll fit right in amongst the trash that couldnt make it alone.

    Pce wannabes
    I'm not going to say you're particularly wrong but I do know the guys who make the biggest money are never people that would associate with you. Why on Earth would they? Therefore your observations are largely a reflection on yourself.

    Just sayin...
    You got it reversed. Let me help you.

    'I' wouldn't work with them.

  7. #27
    This retard isn't a successful AP.

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    Originally Posted by jdaewoo View Post
    This retard isn't a successful AP.
    Dunno.

    It could be, if he's truthful, that he "beat the odds" and has managed to eke out a living solely from gambling, then I suppose he'd be a "professional," if not an "advantage player."

    But as always the issue is this: how truthful is he being about it?

    I have always wondered about his story, given the fact he probably could have had a conventional career (wearing a suit) had he chosen to; what caused ZK to tilt his lance so as to skewer casinos instead of working for The Man?

    I sometimes wonder what sends folks down the AP highway of life, other than the notion of "I can make it on my own, I don't need anybody to help me."
    What, Me Worry?

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by jdaewoo View Post
    This retard isn't a successful AP.
    Probably more successful at it than your Redskin Nigger Ass, but who gives a shit?
    Not Me.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by jdaewoo View Post
    This retard isn't a successful AP.
    Dunno.

    It could be, if he's truthful, that he "beat the odds" and has managed to eke out a living solely from gambling, then I suppose he'd be a "professional," if not an "advantage player."

    But as always the issue is this: how truthful is he being about it?

    I have always wondered about his story, given the fact he probably could have had a conventional career (wearing a suit) had he chosen to; what caused ZK to tilt his lance so as to skewer casinos instead of working for The Man?

    I sometimes wonder what sends folks down the AP highway of life, other than the notion of "I can make it on my own, I don't need anybody to help me."
    A subsistence gambler which is what 90% of pros are - are not what I would consider successful. This includes me for my most of my gambling career. Sure you make it happen and avoid jobs but that is largely what it is. I never liked working for people for various reasons but I look back at it as a mistake not applying myself to a multitude of options that came and went.

    ZK seems about as crazy as APs can be. Most likely a structured job is hard for him. I can't imagine him ever making his way to some level of management. He's probably good for a 80k a year type job.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by jdaewoo View Post
    This retard isn't a successful AP.
    Probably more successful at it than your Redskin Nigger Ass
    Oh man, you have no idea how funny that is.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by jdaewoo View Post
    This retard isn't a successful AP.
    Probably more successful at it than your Redskin Nigger Ass, but who gives a shit?
    Not Me.
    I’m told ZenKing sucks cock in Vegas to make ends meet. He hangs out at the Green Door for all the tourists who think they will meet a swinging couple there. Rumor also has it he takes it in the ass for $100 to try and vulture slots since his “career” as a BJ pro failed.

    It gets him enough cash to pay the rent in his Siegel Suite and buys him more Adderal because he’s slightly above Tasha on the retard level.

    Look at the public pics of him chewing his fingers, he’s a freak and him sucking cock for cash is far more believable than the stories about KJ.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by jdaewoo View Post
    This retard isn't a successful AP.
    Dunno.

    It could be, if he's truthful, that he "beat the odds" and has managed to eke out a living solely from gambling, then I suppose he'd be a "professional," if not an "advantage player."

    But as always the issue is this: how truthful is he being about it?

    I have always wondered about his story, given the fact he probably could have had a conventional career (wearing a suit) had he chosen to; what caused ZK to tilt his lance so as to skewer casinos instead of working for The Man?

    I sometimes wonder what sends folks down the AP highway of life, other than the notion of "I can make it on my own, I don't need anybody to help me."
    One thing highly successful people always do is rant on online forums about how great they are and how dumb everyone else is,

    And the cream of the crop of successful people always call everyone else “niggers” including asians and “red skins”

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by jdaewoo View Post
    This retard isn't a successful AP.
    Dunno.

    It could be, if he's truthful, that he "beat the odds" and has managed to eke out a living solely from gambling, then I suppose he'd be a "professional," if not an "advantage player."

    But as always the issue is this: how truthful is he being about it?

    I have always wondered about his story, given the fact he probably could have had a conventional career (wearing a suit) had he chosen to; what caused ZK to tilt his lance so as to skewer casinos instead of working for The Man?

    I sometimes wonder what sends folks down the AP highway of life, other than the notion of "I can make it on my own, I don't need anybody to help me."
    One thing highly successful people always do is rant on online forums about how great they are and how dumb everyone else is,

    And the cream of the crop of successful people always call everyone else “niggers” including asians and “red skins”
    Trust me….or don’t. I’m semi successful and still call trash retards and niggers. And most of the successful people here like V and Monet do the same. I may not always agree with them but neither is worrying where their next dollar is coming from.

    Meanwhile the she boon Tasha shits on the floor daily worrying if she has $20 in her checking account. And YES, it is funny laughing at the human garbage she is because of her life choices. She wasn’t destined to be this way, her decisions in life made her the laughing stock of us here. She could always walk away and we wouldn’t know how pathetic her life is.

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post

    Dunno.

    It could be, if he's truthful, that he "beat the odds" and has managed to eke out a living solely from gambling, then I suppose he'd be a "professional," if not an "advantage player."

    But as always the issue is this: how truthful is he being about it?

    I have always wondered about his story, given the fact he probably could have had a conventional career (wearing a suit) had he chosen to; what caused ZK to tilt his lance so as to skewer casinos instead of working for The Man?

    I sometimes wonder what sends folks down the AP highway of life, other than the notion of "I can make it on my own, I don't need anybody to help me."
    One thing highly successful people always do is rant on online forums about how great they are and how dumb everyone else is,

    And the cream of the crop of successful people always call everyone else “niggers” including asians and “red skins”
    Trust me….or don’t. I’m semi successful and still call trash retards and niggers. And most of the successful people here like V and Monet do the same. I may not always agree with them but neither is worrying where their next dollar is coming from.

    Meanwhile the she boon Tasha shits on the floor daily worrying if she has $20 in her checking account. And YES, it is funny laughing at the human garbage she is because of her life choices. She wasn’t destined to be this way, her decisions in life made her the laughing stock of us here. She could always walk away and we wouldn’t know how pathetic her life is.
    What would you call a black man who was also retarded & gay?

  16. #36
    Boz, I'm EXTREMELY offended at some of the vile things you say. NOBODY should say some of that stuff.

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    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    .
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    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
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    The 1981 edition of the “Guinness Book of World Records” retold the Victor Hugo story: The shortest literary correspondence on record was that between Victor Marie Hugo (l802-85) and his publisher, Hurst and Blackett, in l862. The author was on holiday and anxious to know how his new novel Les Misérables was selling. He wrote “?”. The reply was ‘!’.
    In September 1854 the “Portland Weekly Advertiser” of Maine kept the story circulating by printing a version which roughly specified the locations of the two participants. Interestingly, the first character was an exclamation mark instead of a question mark.
    Magic of music is to make any instrument sound great. What a forum of thus satisfaction, despite the clowns and other losers. I found the numeral, 78230, in nature, given that the time of my 75th post was 7:08, and, its spot #304=(2^2+300)-->23. And, by the sizes of the little, images: 7.8KB, and, 4.8KB=(2^4X0.3)-->23; p<[1/(5X050X5)^2]. (300/4)=75; (16-0.3)=15.7-->1/57-->75. (296/53.333...)=5.55. (1200/16.3)-->[10X7+2+1].[6][196√91][9][183]; (1200X16.3)-->[1961-7+2]. (78^2 - 23^2)=5555. Ha!

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    Nice catch, garnabby...I suspect few others caught it and recognized it for what it is.
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